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Breast Cancer
Cliff Beckwith
Hi Darla,
There are at least 30 different strains of Prostate Cancer. My Oncologist says the same thing is true of all cancers. For this reason there are variations of response to anything that is done. Where an operation "gets it all" of course the strain would not be important. From what we have seen and read the immune system is very important. Mutations occur every day and if the immune system is right they are taken care of and we never know it. Some time ago, probably over a year and a half, we heard of a lady in Knoxville who was in a bad way with Breast cancer. She was not expected to make it very long. She became interested in the FO/CC approach and showed a lot of improvement. However, the doctors stayed with it as well. She didn't want more operations, chemo etc. but the doctors said that was what she needed and she followed those directions. She checked with an Oncologist who is favorable to FO/CC but stayed with those she knew. We heard recently that she is now in her 4th chemo regimen. They are encouraged by how well she has held up but she is now very ill. I do not know how she will wind up but if she stays with the chemo I am not optimistic. I haven't seen anyone get well by staying with chemo after chemo. Every round takes more life out of one in my observation. There are other things that appear to enhance any other natural approach. I am currently using a good brand of ellagic acid and Graviola. These may have a very helpful effect in addition to the FO/CC. It has now been 12 years and 3 months for me with a quite aggressive cancer. I feel that the Lord has been good to me. I am also not yet to the point where I feel that I am in danger. Dr. Budwig says that in three months the blood will be bright red and tumors disappearing. We have seen it happen more quickly than that. Other times it has not. Until the time comes that this is really tested from the standpoint of saving human lives and not primarily profit one cannot be much more definite than that. Cliff |
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Re: questions..help please!! :)
Les Catterall
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This all sounds interesting - I've researched ceviche recipes a little. How much FSO do you add to the salmon ceviche (Fluid Oz per lb or ml per gm)? This is of concern because Dr Budwig suggests that too much FSO in relation to the amount of sulpherated protein can be detrimental rather than beneficial. Thanks for your contribution - Les Catterall Claire West wrote: I have the kind of reaction to dairy that you complain of (bloating, |
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Re: questions..help please!! :)
Carolyn J. Kreibich
Did you think about eliminating the sunflower seeds and the sesame seeds? IMO, I would use the ground flaxseed and not the sunflower seeds or sesame seeds. II get bloating whenever I eat something I am allergic to, such as wheat.)
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Re: New Member questions..help please :)
Peter Fackelmann
Gubi -
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here: % Protein Cystine Methionine Cow's Milk 7.55 0.07 0.19 Cottage Cheese 12.39 0.12 0.37 Yogurt 5.25 0.05 0.16 Goat's Milk 3.56 0.05 0.08 Goats's soft cheese* 18.52 0.08 0.49 Soy milk 2.75 0.05 0.04 Silk tofu 4.80 0.07 0.07 Whey dried 11.73 0.21 0.22 USDA Handbook 8 Database Release 15 (August 2002) Regards Peter At 8:55 Uhr +0200 18.04.2003, Gubi wrote:
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Re: questions..help please!! :)
Claire West
Darla,
<I love the taste of it, but it really makes me bloated and slows my elimination way down. There can be no question then, that this combination is not in anyway promoting health, and if it's not promoting your health, it is certainly not helping you fight cancer (where if anything the elimination of wastes needs to be speeded up.) The problem is you don't know at this point if it's the oil (or the brand or the freshness of it) or the dairy. I think you are going to have to go through some experimentation--perhaps quite a bit--to discover the needs and preferences of your unique body. I don't want to add to your confusion as you consider your options, but I think you need as much information as you can manage to take in, so . . . I understand that the fo/cc combination is the preferred one by Dr. Budwig but her work was done with quark which long ago in Germany was made from unpasteurized (unheated) milk and was thus a very, very different product than the cottage cheese (even organic) available to us today. In addition to the harm pasteurized dairy can do in the human body, there is the question of some of us who have lactose problems of who are allegeric to even raw dairy. I have the kind of reaction to dairy that you complain of (bloating, constipation) plus it also makes my nose stuffy with excess mucus, so I combine my oil with salmon (uncooked, prepared as ceviche) because that fish in nature "comes with" high amounts of omega 3 oil and so seems a natural and reasonable thing to combine with additional n3. Salmon is also very high in sulpherated protein. If you decide to try this, be sure you buy wild salmon (even if frozen) rather than the farm-raised. Good luck. Claire |
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Re: Replyto Doug/ Questions/Opinions
Milpara
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Thanks for your kind comments, Ciao for now, Mike Cinelli ================================== ----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Murray" <Doug@...> To: <FlaxSeedOil2@...> Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 9:12 PM Subject: Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Reply/ Questions/Opinions Weel put Mike! I think that you have hit the nail squarely on the head. Iagree 100% with everything that you have said and commend you for saying it in such eloquent terms. I have been lurking in the archives and occasionally posting on bothethese groups and several others since mid December. What I have learned would fill volumns and I know that I've only scratched the surface. Hope to be more active in the future.items i would like to add...I feel that Flax oil may oftentimes not beprepared correctly at the manufactring level or it may go rancid due to poordetrimental to its freshness and goodness. I have tried many oils and at this timefound a very good Austrian one here in Taiwan and buy it when I can because itis very tastey. Some New Zealand and Australian ones are also availablehere, but they contain 'high lignans" and cost considerably more. I like toget. my high lignans for freshly ground up Flaxseeds which I add to my Dr.Budwig combination.best and , IMHO,should only be used in the Dr. Budwig combination ofFlaxseed oil and organic low fat quark [or low fat cottage cheese or low fatyoghurt, etc.]. A word about using Flaxseed oil alone: I know that Dr. Budwig hasit " it can have the opposite effect," and I recall that Dr. Roehm put itin his paper on Flaxseed Oil. However, I believe this is for the very illon salads, some examples, #61, #64 or even a cup #65. (See her "Oil-Proteinsoluble". This makes it possible for the Omega 3 to enter the bloodstream directlyand give the body what is sorrily missing due to the "inertfoods" which weare eating. It is here where the difference is about using an oil on its ownor combined with the sulferated protein of the dairy product for maximumwith low fat organic yoghurt or low fat cottage cheese, which I try to makeor when possible buy in a health food store. Then I always add some FoodGrade 3 % H2O2 to the dairy when I open up the bottle. This is to kill somebad bacteria and also to extend the life of the dairy product in thecottage cheese/yoghurt had a very sour, sharp taste. I added some colloidalsilver ( about 30 mls) and the sharpness and sour taste disappeared. Iexperiment whenever I can to rid the dairy of bad bacteria with either the H2O2 orthe Colloidal Silver.Coconut Oil [and even Palm Oil which they do not sell.] They do however sellcoconut oil and sometimes I feel that they are a bit over exuberant in their(This BTW is my own opinion and I may be wrong in my assessment!).and that coconut oil is extremely good for many maladies and self-remedies.It does not have Omega 3 ( at least not in any noticeable quantities, Iprotocol is extremely healthy for serious illnesses and for healthmaintenance.It`s one thing to have a product in which to cook, use as an antisepticcleaner, and to give some lauric acid/ vitamins to the body, and it`s quiteanother thing to supply the body with the Essential fatty Acid (Omega 3) inorder to regain health or to maintain it. I see the two oils as two completelylot more input than I am doing. Again, I may be wrong and am willing tostand corrected. I too am a subscriber to the coconut list but must say thatI don`t often read the messages unless I recognize one of the Flaxseedpeople or some subject of great interest, only because of very limited time atthis time. If people want to downplay Flaxseed Oil , they should first dotheir homework thoroughly and well, and examine all the good the Dr. Budwigoil! ( see "The Oil-Protein Diet Cookbook"). It doesn`t have to be one or theand we have to understand them them well if we want better health. I hope Iam not repeating myself too much or using the words of others but theseare my true feelings. We can learn from everyone and should. Thanks and best,Ciao for now, Mike Cinelli============================================================================ ====that > Flax Oil is a dangerous drug rather than a beneficial food.said thatof > sulfur based proteins with it.used > with it it will have "the opposite effect".me > patently rediculous. By this time I know what chemo does and I haveused > Flaxseed oil now for over eleven years and 8 or 9 months. I see noill > effects. Of course, I am no expert. I just know of the resultsobtained bybe sure > |
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Re: Reply/ Questions/Opinions
Milpara
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From: "Doug Murray" <Doug@...> To: <FlaxSeedOil2@...> Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 9:12 PM Subject: Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Reply/ Questions/Opinions Weel put Mike! I think that you have hit the nail squarely on the head. Iagree 100% with everything that you have said and commend you for saying it in such eloquent terms. I have been lurking in the archives and occasionally posting on bothethese groups and several others since mid December. What I have learned would fill volumns and I know that I've only scratched the surface. Hope to be more active in the future.items i would like to add...I feel that Flax oil may oftentimes not beprepared correctly at the manufactring level or it may go rancid due to poordetrimental to its freshness and goodness. I have tried many oils and at this timefound a very good Austrian one here in Taiwan and buy it when I can because itis very tastey. Some New Zealand and Australian ones are also availablehere, but they contain 'high lignans" and cost considerably more. I like toget. my high lignans for freshly ground up Flaxseeds which I add to my Dr.Budwig combination.best and , IMHO,should only be used in the Dr. Budwig combination ofFlaxseed oil and organic low fat quark [or low fat cottage cheese or low fatyoghurt, etc.]. A word about using Flaxseed oil alone: I know that Dr. Budwig hasit " it can have the opposite effect," and I recall that Dr. Roehm put itin his paper on Flaxseed Oil. However, I believe this is for the very illon salads, some examples, #61, #64 or even a cup #65. (See her "Oil-Proteinsoluble". This makes it possible for the Omega 3 to enter the bloodstream directlyand give the body what is sorrily missing due to the "inertfoods" which weare eating. It is here where the difference is about using an oil on its ownor combined with the sulferated protein of the dairy product for maximumwith low fat organic yoghurt or low fat cottage cheese, which I try to makeor when possible buy in a health food store. Then I always add some FoodGrade 3 % H2O2 to the dairy when I open up the bottle. This is to kill somebad bacteria and also to extend the life of the dairy product in thecottage cheese/yoghurt had a very sour, sharp taste. I added some colloidalsilver ( about 30 mls) and the sharpness and sour taste disappeared. Iexperiment whenever I can to rid the dairy of bad bacteria with either the H2O2 orthe Colloidal Silver.Coconut Oil [and even Palm Oil which they do not sell.] They do however sellcoconut oil and sometimes I feel that they are a bit over exuberant in their(This BTW is my own opinion and I may be wrong in my assessment!).and that coconut oil is extremely good for many maladies and self-remedies.It does not have Omega 3 ( at least not in any noticeable quantities, Iprotocol is extremely healthy for serious illnesses and for healthmaintenance.It`s one thing to have a product in which to cook, use as an antisepticcleaner, and to give some lauric acid/ vitamins to the body, and it`s quiteanother thing to supply the body with the Essential fatty Acid (Omega 3) inorder to regain health or to maintain it. I see the two oils as two completelylot more input than I am doing. Again, I may be wrong and am willing tostand corrected. I too am a subscriber to the coconut list but must say thatI don`t often read the messages unless I recognize one of the Flaxseedpeople or some subject of great interest, only because of very limited time atthis time. If people want to downplay Flaxseed Oil , they should first dotheir homework thoroughly and well, and examine all the good the Dr. Budwigoil! ( see "The Oil-Protein Diet Cookbook"). It doesn`t have to be one or theand we have to understand them them well if we want better health. I hope Iam not repeating myself too much or using the words of others but theseare my true feelings. We can learn from everyone and should. Thanks and best,Ciao for now, Mike Cinelli============================================================================ ====that > Flax Oil is a dangerous drug rather than a beneficial food.said thatof > sulfur based proteins with it.used > with it it will have "the opposite effect".me > patently rediculous. By this time I know what chemo does and I haveused > Flaxseed oil now for over eleven years and 8 or 9 months. I see noill > effects. Of course, I am no expert. I just know of the resultsobtained bybe sure > |
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Re"Questions/opinions/Flaxseedoil/coconut gp
Milpara
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You are absolutely correct on your assessment, Cliff. There are a few items i would like to add...I feel that Flax oil may oftentimes not be prepared correctly at the manufactring level or it may go rancid due to poor conditions in shipping or in storage. Light and heat also are detrimental to its freshness and goodness. I have tried many oils and at this time gravitate towards Barleans because of their freshness policy. I also found a very good Austrian one here in Taiwan and buy it when I can because it is very tastey. Some New Zealand and Australian ones are also available here, but they contain 'high lignans" and cost considerably more. I like to get. my high lignans for freshly ground up Flaxseeds which I add to my Dr. Budwig combination. Having said this, it goes without saying that fresh flaxseed oil is best and , IMHO,what only should be used in the Dr. Budwig combination of Flaxseed oil and organic low fat quark [or low fat cottage cheese or low fat yoghurt, etc.]. A word about using Flaxseed oil alone: I know that Dr. Budwig has warned us about using Flaxseed Oil alone because as you should aptly put it " it can have the opposite effect," and I recall that Dr. Roehm put it in his paper on Flaxseed Oil. However, I believe this is for the very ill people who are trying to recover their health.( against tumors?). Dr. Budwig does advocate using about 2-3 tablespoons of FlaxOil on salads, some examples, #61, #64 or even a cup #65. (See her "Oil-Protein Diet Cookbook." [ This should spark some discussion on this subject.]. However, when Flaxseed oil is combined with sulferated dairy protein, it makes the unsaturated fat in the Flaxseed oil ""water soluble". This makes it possible for the Omega 3 to enter the bloodstream directly and give the body what is sorrily missing due to the "inertfoods" which we are eating. It is here where the difference is about using an oil on its own or combined with the sulferated protein of the dairy product for maximum benefit to health. I repeat again that I only use flaxseed oil combined with low fat organic yoghurt or low fat cottage cheese, which I try to make or when possible buy in a health food store. Then I always add some Food Grade 3 % H2O2 to the dairy when I open up the bottle. This is to kill some bad bacteria and also to extend the life of the dairy product in the refrigerator. Today, I prepared the Dr. Budwig combination. My homemade Low fat cottage cheese/yoghurt had a very sour, sharp taste. I added some colloidal silver ( about 30 mls) and the sharpness and sour taste disappeared. I experiment whenever I can to rid the dairy of bad bacteria with either the H2O2 or the Colloidal Silver. Lastly, let me say that the Coconut list is a good list and I love Coconut Oil [and even Palm Oil which they do not sell.] They do however sell coconut oil and sometimes I feel that they are a bit over exuberant in their message. Their experts do not see eye to eye with Dr. Budwig but this is somewhat to be expected from people who have done their own research and believe they are absolutely correct and do not want other opinions. (This BTW is my own opinion and I may be wrong in my assessment!). I feel also that we are, in a way, a "sister list" to the coconut list and that coconut oil is extremely good for many maladies and self-remedies. It does not have Omega 3 ( at least not in any noticeable quantities, I believe). But they don`t seem to acknowledge that the Dr. Budwig protocol is extremely healthy for serious illnesses and for health maintenance.It`s one thing to have a product in which to cook, use as an antiseptic cleaner, and to give some lauric acid/ vitamins to the body, and it`s quite another thing to supply the body with the Essential fatty Acid (Omega 3) in order to regain health or to maintain it. I see the two oils as two completely different products with different benefits, but compatble , again IMHO. Dr. Budwig has a long proven track record and that should be respected. Some people are on our list are also on the coconut list and can give a lot more input than I am doing. Again, I may be wrong and am willing to stand corrected. I too am a subscriber to the coconut list but must say that I don`t often read the messages unless I recognize one of the Flaxseed people or some subject of great interest, only because of very limited time at this time. If people want to downplay Flaxseed Oil , they should first do their homework thoroughly and well, and examine all the good the Dr. Budwig Combination and her complete protocol do for people. This protocol also includes coconut oil in the Oleolox, which is combined with Flaxseed oil! ( see "The Oil-Protein Diet Cookbook"). It doesn`t have to be one or the other...Dr. Budwig long ago recognized the great worth of coconut fat (oil)... Thanks for bearing with me on these topics but they are on my mind often and we have to understand them them well if we want better health. I hope I am not repeating myself too much or using the words of others but these are my true feelings. We can learn from everyone and should. Thanks and best, Ciao for now, Mike Cinelli ============================================================================ ==== ----- Original Message -----
From: "Cliff Beckwith" <cliffb865@...> To: "Flaxseed Oil 2" <FlaxSeedOil2@...> Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 10:11 AM Subject: [FlaxSeedOil2] Questions Hi,that he was not talking about fresh oil and there is no mention of the use ofby Dr. Budwig.that is being done using Fresh Flax Oil with sulfur based proteins such asthere is in clobbered milk associated with it.sure that what I use is fresh and cold until ready for use. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: FlaxSeedOil2-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to |
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Re: Reply/ Questions/Opinions
Doug Murray
Weel put Mike! I think that you have hit the nail squarely on the head. I agree 100% with everything that you have said and commend you for saying it in such eloquent terms.
I have been lurking in the archives and occasionally posting on bothe these groups and several others since mid December. What I have learned would fill volumns and I know that I've only scratched the surface. Hope to be more active in the future. Cheers, Doug ----- From: Milpara To: FlaxSeedOil2@... Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 2:27 PM Subject: Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Reply/ Questions/Opinions Hi Cliff and all, You are absolutely correct on your assessment, Cliff. There are a few items i would like to add...I feel that Flax oil may oftentimes not be prepared correctly at the manufactring level or it may go rancid due to poor conditions in shipping or in storage. Light and heat also are detrimental to its freshness and goodness. I have tried many oils and at this time gravitate towards Barleans because of their freshness policy. I also found a very good Austrian one here in Taiwan and buy it when I can because it is very tastey. Some New Zealand and Australian ones are also available here, but they contain 'high lignans" and cost considerably more. I like to get. my high lignans for freshly ground up Flaxseeds which I add to my Dr. Budwig combination. Having said this, it goes woithout saying that fresh flaxseed oil is best and , IMHO,should only be used in the Dr. Budwig combination of Flaxseed oil and organic low fat quark [or low fat cottage cheese or low fat yoghurt, etc.]. A word about using Flaxseed oil alone: I know that Dr. Budwig has warned us about using Flaxseed Oil alone because as you should aptly put it " it can have the opposite effect," and I recall that Dr. Roehm put it in his paper on Flaxseed Oil. However, I believe this is for the very ill people who are trying to recover their health.( against tumors?). Also, Dr. Budwig does advocate using about 2-3 tablespoons of FlaxOil on salads, some examples, #61, #64 or even a cup #65. (See her "Oil-Protein Diet Cookbook." [ I am open to discussion on this subject.]. However, when the Flaxseed oil is combined with sulferated dairy protein, it makes the unsaturated fat in the Flaxseed oil ""water soluble". This makes it possible for the Omega 3 to enter the bloodstream directly and give the body what is sorrily missing due to the "inertfoods" which we are eating. It is here where the difference is about using an oil on its own or combined with the sulferated protein of the dairy product for maximum benefit to health. I repeat again that I only use flaxseed oil combined with low fat organic yoghurt or low fat cottage cheese, which I try to make or when possible buy in a health food store. Then I always add some Food Grade 3 % H2O2 to the dairy when I open up the bottle. This is to kill some bad bacteria and also to extend the life of the dairy product in the refrigerator. Today, I prepared the Dr. Budwig combination. My homemade Low fat cottage cheese/yoghurt had a very sour, sharp taste. I added some colloidal silver ( about 30 mls) and the sharpness and sour taste disappeared. I experiment whenever I can to rid the dairy of bad bacteria with either the H2O2 or the Colloidal Silver. Lastly, let me say that the Coconut list is a good list and I love Coconut Oil [and even Palm Oil which they do not sell.] They do however sell coconut oil and sometimes I feel that they are a bit over exuberant in their message. Their experts do not see eye to eye with Dr. Budwig but this is somewhat to be expected from people who have done their own research and believe they are absolutely correct and do not want other opinions. (This BTW is my own opinion and I may be wrong in my assessment!). I feel also that we are, in a way, a "sister list" to the coconut list and that coconut oil is extremely good for many maladies and self-remedies. It does not have Omega 3 ( at least not in any noticeable quantities, I believe). But they don`t seem to acknowledge that the Dr. Budwig protocol is extremely healthy for serious illnesses and for health maintenance.It`s one thing to have a product in which to cook, use as an antiseptic cleaner, and to give some lauric acid/ vitamins to the body, and it`s quite another thing to supply the body with the Essential fatty Acid (Omega 3) in order to regain health or to maintain it. I see the two oils as two completely different products with different benefits, but compatble , again IMHO. Dr. Budwig has a long proven track record and this should be respected. Some people are on our list are also on the coconut list and can give a lot more input than I am doing. Again, I may be wrong and am willing to stand corrected. I too am a subscriber to the coconut list but must say that I don`t often read the messages unless I recognize one of the Flaxseed people or some subject of great interest, only because of very limited time at this time. If people want to downplay Flaxseed Oil , they should first do their homework thoroughly and well, and examine all the good the Dr. Budwig Combination and her complete protocol do for people. This protocol also includes coconut oil in the Oleolox, which is combined with Flaxseed oil! ( see "The Oil-Protein Diet Cookbook"). It doesn`t have to be one or the other...Dr. Budwig long agao recognized the great worth of coconut fat (oil)... Thanks for bearing with me on these topics but they are on my mind often and we have to understand them them well if we want better health. I hope I am not repeating myself too much or using the words of others but these are my true feelings. We can learn from everyone and should. Thanks and best, Ciao for now, Mike Cinelli ============================================================================ ==== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cliff Beckwith" <cliffb865@...> To: "Flaxseed Oil 2" <FlaxSeedOil2@...> Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 10:11 AM Subject: [FlaxSeedOil2] Questions > Hi, > > The website that Marsha cites has a lot of information that indicates that > Flax Oil is a dangerous drug rather than a beneficial food. > > I have not analyzed it much; I kind of skimmed it. I may not have > understanding enough to really think my way through it. > > I did, however, notice a couple of things. One is that the author said that > he was not talking about fresh oil and there is no mention of the use of > sulfur based proteins with it. > > Dr. Budwig has pointed out that if the sulfur based proteins are not used > with it it will have "the opposite effect". > > The statement that Flaxseed Oil is like any other chemotherapy is to me > patently rediculous. By this time I know what chemo does and I have used > Flaxseed oil now for over eleven years and 8 or 9 months. I see no ill > effects. Of course, I am no expert. I just know of the results obtained by > Dr. Budwig. > > A lot of research is cited and in reality I know of no research at all that > is being done using Fresh Flax Oil with sulfur based proteins such as there > is in clobbered milk associated with it. > > As far as I am concerned, this research is all irrelevant. > > I believe that rancid Flax oil would be very dangerous and I want to be sure > that what I use is fresh and cold until ready for use. > > Cliff > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > FlaxSeedOil2-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: FlaxSeedOil2-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. |
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Re: New Member questions..help please :)
Gubi
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Does any one have any idea as to the comparative measure of sulphur in certain foods ie CC, yogurt, leeks, kefir etc? This would be helpful I believe. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Darla Lallatin" <d_lallatin@...> To: <FlaxSeedOil2@...> Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 6:58 AM Subject: Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] New Member questions..help please :) Thank you so much for your lengthy reply, you are very kind!!! I amstill a bit confused by her term animal fat...isn't cheese animal fat? Do you know why she say low-fat dairy, is that supposed to be really important as well? Do you do 1/ 4 c. cottage cheese or 3/4 c. yogurt to each 1 Tablespoon oil you do? Thanks again! Darla
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Re: Reply/ Questions/Opinions
Milpara
Hi Cliff and all,
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You are absolutely correct on your assessment, Cliff. There are a few items i would like to add...I feel that Flax oil may oftentimes not be prepared correctly at the manufactring level or it may go rancid due to poor conditions in shipping or in storage. Light and heat also are detrimental to its freshness and goodness. I have tried many oils and at this time gravitate towards Barleans because of their freshness policy. I also found a very good Austrian one here in Taiwan and buy it when I can because it is very tastey. Some New Zealand and Australian ones are also available here, but they contain 'high lignans" and cost considerably more. I like to get. my high lignans for freshly ground up Flaxseeds which I add to my Dr. Budwig combination. Having said this, it goes woithout saying that fresh flaxseed oil is best and , IMHO,should only be used in the Dr. Budwig combination of Flaxseed oil and organic low fat quark [or low fat cottage cheese or low fat yoghurt, etc.]. A word about using Flaxseed oil alone: I know that Dr. Budwig has warned us about using Flaxseed Oil alone because as you should aptly put it " it can have the opposite effect," and I recall that Dr. Roehm put it in his paper on Flaxseed Oil. However, I believe this is for the very ill people who are trying to recover their health.( against tumors?). Also, Dr. Budwig does advocate using about 2-3 tablespoons of FlaxOil on salads, some examples, #61, #64 or even a cup #65. (See her "Oil-Protein Diet Cookbook." [ I am open to discussion on this subject.]. However, when the Flaxseed oil is combined with sulferated dairy protein, it makes the unsaturated fat in the Flaxseed oil ""water soluble". This makes it possible for the Omega 3 to enter the bloodstream directly and give the body what is sorrily missing due to the "inertfoods" which we are eating. It is here where the difference is about using an oil on its own or combined with the sulferated protein of the dairy product for maximum benefit to health. I repeat again that I only use flaxseed oil combined with low fat organic yoghurt or low fat cottage cheese, which I try to make or when possible buy in a health food store. Then I always add some Food Grade 3 % H2O2 to the dairy when I open up the bottle. This is to kill some bad bacteria and also to extend the life of the dairy product in the refrigerator. Today, I prepared the Dr. Budwig combination. My homemade Low fat cottage cheese/yoghurt had a very sour, sharp taste. I added some colloidal silver ( about 30 mls) and the sharpness and sour taste disappeared. I experiment whenever I can to rid the dairy of bad bacteria with either the H2O2 or the Colloidal Silver. Lastly, let me say that the Coconut list is a good list and I love Coconut Oil [and even Palm Oil which they do not sell.] They do however sell coconut oil and sometimes I feel that they are a bit over exuberant in their message. Their experts do not see eye to eye with Dr. Budwig but this is somewhat to be expected from people who have done their own research and believe they are absolutely correct and do not want other opinions. (This BTW is my own opinion and I may be wrong in my assessment!). I feel also that we are, in a way, a "sister list" to the coconut list and that coconut oil is extremely good for many maladies and self-remedies. It does not have Omega 3 ( at least not in any noticeable quantities, I believe). But they don`t seem to acknowledge that the Dr. Budwig protocol is extremely healthy for serious illnesses and for health maintenance.It`s one thing to have a product in which to cook, use as an antiseptic cleaner, and to give some lauric acid/ vitamins to the body, and it`s quite another thing to supply the body with the Essential fatty Acid (Omega 3) in order to regain health or to maintain it. I see the two oils as two completely different products with different benefits, but compatble , again IMHO. Dr. Budwig has a long proven track record and this should be respected. Some people are on our list are also on the coconut list and can give a lot more input than I am doing. Again, I may be wrong and am willing to stand corrected. I too am a subscriber to the coconut list but must say that I don`t often read the messages unless I recognize one of the Flaxseed people or some subject of great interest, only because of very limited time at this time. If people want to downplay Flaxseed Oil , they should first do their homework thoroughly and well, and examine all the good the Dr. Budwig Combination and her complete protocol do for people. This protocol also includes coconut oil in the Oleolox, which is combined with Flaxseed oil! ( see "The Oil-Protein Diet Cookbook"). It doesn`t have to be one or the other...Dr. Budwig long agao recognized the great worth of coconut fat (oil)... Thanks for bearing with me on these topics but they are on my mind often and we have to understand them them well if we want better health. I hope I am not repeating myself too much or using the words of others but these are my true feelings. We can learn from everyone and should. Thanks and best, Ciao for now, Mike Cinelli ============================================================================ ==== ----- Original Message -----
From: "Cliff Beckwith" <cliffb865@...> To: "Flaxseed Oil 2" <FlaxSeedOil2@...> Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 10:11 AM Subject: [FlaxSeedOil2] Questions Hi,that he was not talking about fresh oil and there is no mention of the use ofby Dr. Budwig.that is being done using Fresh Flax Oil with sulfur based proteins such asthere is in clobbered milk associated with it.sure that what I use is fresh and cold until ready for use. |
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Re: New Member questions..help please :)
Thank you so much for your lengthy reply, you are very kind!!! I am still a bit confused by her term animal fat...isn't cheese animal fat? Do you know why she say low-fat dairy, is that supposed to be really important as well? Do you do 1/ 4 c. cottage cheese or 3/4 c. yogurt to each 1 Tablespoon oil you do? Thanks again! Darla
Wilhelm Hansen <wilhelmh@...> wrote:Darla, The first is what exactly are the restrictions to her diet. <The main restrictions are: Foods - Hydrogenated fats and oils, animal fats, chemicals and preservatives (such as nitrite), sugar, white flour and processed foods in general. Non foods - Chemo therapy and radiation are strongly opposed by Dr.Budwig. I am vegetarian but occasionally I eat free range eggs... <Eggs yolks are high in animal fat. I would restrict eating yolks until I am much better. Egg whites are low in fat. ...small amounts of cheese and fish. Are any of these not allowed? <Small amounts of cheese are permitted but watch how much fat is in the cheese and whether you can get it organic. Fish is not mentioned as part of the Budwig diet. However I doubt that it would be a problem if you can get good fresh fish with very low heavy metal contamination. What about goat milk and goat chesse? <I don't recall Dr.Budwig mentioning goat milk as part of her diet. However, I don't see why. The sulphurated proteins are similar to cow milk. Perhaps it is because it is difficult to get low fat goat milk. I am confused by no animal products but she talks about milk, yogurt,cottage cheese. < I agree with Leonard's reply to this: "The benefits of flaxseed oil mixed w/cottage cheese (FSO/CC) or yogurt FAR outweigh the harmful aspects of dairy." do I need to eliminate extra-virgin olive, ... <Olive oil is not mentioned as part of the Budwig diet. Coconut oil is. ... safflower, sunflower and grapeseed oils also? <I agree with Leonard's reply. What about 100% pure peanut butter and nuts? <Peanut butter should be avoided. Most other nuts are ok (I don't know of any other restrictions), but eat them raw. Should I be using small amounts of the other omega oils? <None that are processed, cleaned heated or partially hydrogenated. They contain trans-fatty acids. That takes care of many (or most?) of the oils you buy in supermarkets. Buy them cold pressed and organic and use them sparingly. You can easily get your omega 3 to 6 'balance' or relationship too much towards the omega 6 side which is the case with most people who eat the usual western diet. Beware of store bought salad oils and dressings. Is it normal to have some bloating and extra fullness when beginning?< I don't know. It didn't happen to me. What are the best books of hers to get, and where is the best place toget them..Amazon? < There are only two books of hers in English. I recommend to get both. I understand that Barleans is the cheapest place to get them. Do the majority of you think that Barlaens is the best oil? <Barleans is a good oil. Many say so. I use Spectrum. It is good too. Is 1 Tablespoon for every 25 pound body weight accurate, and how muchflax meal do you really need to use daily? < That is fairly accurate. Since this is food, I don't see this as a precise science. Being in the right ballpark is about all we can do. The usual measure we us is 1 tblsp FSO per 100 lbs of body weight for maintenance. If you fight cancer add at least 2 additional tblsp. Example: A person weighing 200 lbs and fighting cancer would take 4 tblsp of FSO with the requisite amount of low fat quark or cottage cheese. And last how long does one normally wait to see good results if theyfollow her protocol strictly.. ( I am looking ultimately for my breast lumps/tumors to be gone) I keep hearing 3-4 months does that sound like the norm? < I don't know if there is a norm. I have heard of cancer cases that were healed in 3 to 4 months using the Budwig approach, but they were not breast cancer cases. Everyone is different and cancers are different so it is hard to say. I believe it is important to follow the diet strictly until for best results as you intend to do. I will re-post some breast cancer testimonials for your information right after this. Best to you and good health, Wilhelm d_lallatin wrote: I am 33 years old young Mother, battling breast cancer alternatively.
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Re: dosage questions
Thanks for the info! Could I be having this trouble from using the flax/cc/yogurt from using Preground flax meal that is refrigerated ( Bob's Red Mill) ? Would it make a difference if I was not grinding my own? For clarification...I need to be doing at least 1/4 c. cottage cheese or 3/4 c. yogurt to 1 Tablespoon oil, correct? That turns into quite a bit of dairy each day if one is doing 4-5 Tablespoons of Flax oil daily...correct? Cliff, most of these breast cancer testimonials occur areound a few months of using the combo, right? Thank you.
Wilhelm Hansen <wilhelmh@...> wrote:Darla, here is a re-posting of some breast cancer testimonials by Cliff Beckwith. You will find the original as Msg # 9803. Wilhelm From: "Cliff Beckwith" <cliffb865@...> Date: Tue Feb 11, 2003 7:08 pm Subject: Breast Cancer BREAST CANCER I am going to put here an account of several breast cancer examples of which I know. A couple of years ago a friend of ours had a mammogram and it was suspicious. It was diecided to do a biopsy in a couple of weeks and she immediately began using flaxseed oil and cottage cheese at the rate of three tablespoons a day. When the biopsy was done a malignancy was found. Other tests were done and a mastectomy was recommended. At this point she would have gone strictly with the flaxseed oil, but Tenncare would pay the $3000.00 for the tests only if she did what was recommended. The operation was set up but was postponed six weeks to try to get a surgeon to do reconstructive surgery at the same time. It couldn't be worked out so finally the surgeon said they should go ahead as the risk of metastasis was too great. The operation was done and the removed tissue taken to a lab for analysis and there was no evidence of cancer present. She said the only good result of the unnecessary operation was that she told the surgeon what she had been doing and he suddenly became very interested. His wife had advanced breast cancer, had had a double mastectomy and was not doing well at all. He had had her flown to clinics wherever there seemed to be any hope and it hadn't helped. The last I heard his wife is doing very well. A year ago last February through a real "coincidence" there were some tapes distributed at our PCa support group meeting and one man was there who never came again. That night he and his wife visited and she got flaxseed oil to get started.. She had had a mastectomy and there was a "bubble" appeared. The doctor said it was a hematoma and pay no attention. The bubble was still there and larger a mont later. She went to a different doctor and was waiting for his report. Two nights later she called. He found it was a very rare, fast growing cancer. He gave her little time and no hope except possibly a stem cell transplant. She was in tears and angry that the original doctor had passed it off and wasted a month. She was now using the flaxseed oil and cottage cheese at six tablespoons a day. When she had a checkup preparatory to the stem cell transplant the cancer had already disappeared. The doctor was mystafied but told her he would guarantee it would return unless she did something else. He gave her something to boost her immune system and she became part of a study to test a new vaccine. They were aware that she was on the flaxseed oil. The last I knew sometime before Christmas 1999 she was doing fine and a friend and she were combining orders and staying on the flaxseed oil. In the summer of 1996 Debbie stopped to see us on her way home from her third chemo treatment for breast cancer. She had just gotten a tape and listened to it on her way to the doctor's. She wanted to try flaxseed oil and cottage cheese. When she went for her fourth chemo treatment and the white count was done to see how low it was it was found that instead of going down the count had actually gone up. She took the next treatment it had again gone up. She decided to discontinue the chemo and go with the flaxseed oil. The doctor warned her against that course of action but she did. The lump shrunk rapidly and she was excited. It did not disappear completely, but there has been no regrowth and she believes that what she can detect now is scar tissue. I have not heard from her for some time but I know she would call if there were any change. When I call her she answers the phone with "Praise The Lord". A number of years ago a woman in the church where we attend was found to have breast cancer. She was terrified at first but began the use of flaxseed oil. They did a lumpectomy and then gave her 35 radiation treatments to "be sure that the cancer cells were all gone". She is fine today. What brought the "wellness"? The doctors are pleaesed that the treatments were so successful. Early last summer a teacher in a neighboring school district contacted us. A tape had been given to her husband. This teacher had been fighting breast cancer with chemo and radiation for over seven years and was again in trouble. I do not know if a mastectomy had also been involved, but I don't think so. They began using flaxseed oil and she was doing very well the last I knew. Her husband used to come by for oil but they are now getting their own. In August of 1996 a lady who was a member of the church where one of my beekeeping friends attend had been found to have very advanced breast cancer that had metastisized to the bones. My friend gave her a tape and I called her one morning. She said she had been praying that she would be led as to the course of action to take. The doctor wanted to give her chemo to shrink the cancer and then operate to prevent an eruption, but said it would not give her longer life or better quality of life. They did not give her but a few months in any event. She refused the chemo and decided to go with flaxseed oil. The doctor was very upset and called her several times and urged her to follow his advice. The nurse told her she did not realize how ill she was. At this time she did not get out of the house on her own. She started the oil and by late September was back in church playing the piano. I thought all was well and was excited for her. Then at Christmas time I heard she was in the hospital. We went to see her as soon as she got home and at that time she could only sit up in bed for a few minutes and was on hospice. They had given her radiation to try to prevent pain in her spinal cord and it was not successful. They had not kept her warm enough and she got pneumonia. She told me she would never go back to the hospital again. She said they did something to her back that almost killed her. Then I found out what had happened. She still used some oil after she felt better but stopped the protein. She hated cottagae cheese. We got her started on Companion Nutrients. The next I heard she had driven to the Easter Sunrise service and was driving to Knoxville. We stopped to see her a couple of times and she was mowing the lawn and caring for her garden. She said she still had problems but was improving. Her daughter who was living with her told me that the hospice folks insisted on keeping her on a "pain patch" even though she didn't seem to have any pain by this time when it wasn't on for awhile. She said she didn't understand that. Then she quit using the Companion Nutrients. She gradually went down hill and passed away. At the funeral her daughter told me that the hospice nurse told her that when Emma Lee was sent home from the hospital that time the doctor told her [the nurse] that Emma Lee could not possibly last 30 days. She lived over 22 months after that. Ond doctor told me that the material in the pain patch alone would damage her heart and liver if left on that period of time. I wonder today if she had used the protein correctly with the flaxseed oil after she was back playing the piano in church if she would not still be with us. We can only go around once and we can't do it both ways. If I learn of any definite results from any one else I will add it to this scientifically unacceptable, but nevertheless accurate anacdotal document. Cliff Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: FlaxSeedOil2-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. |
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Re: questions..help please!! :)
Thanks in advance for any help or ideas... Can someone help set the record straight for me about Udo's blend vs. Barlaens Flax. I know most of you talk about Flax only and some of you have said that the other Omegas are a big no-no. But I have had several other people tell me that Udo's is the only way to go and help turn around their digestion trouble. I am still really struggling with getting used to the Flax oil and soured dairy. Currently in one day total, I am doing 3-4 Tablespoons oil mixed in with either organic cottage cheese, or goat yogurt and some flax meal and small amounts of ground sunflower seeds and sesame seeds. Maybe I have done too much too fast? I love the taste of it, but it really makes me bloated and slows my elimination way down. I am quite thin but my stomach looks like I am four months pregnant now that I have started using this (only for the past two 1/2 weeks or so) I also drink a whole lot of water. Do I have to use Flax Meal, I am wondering if that is the problem. I am also going to switch to raw goat yogurt and see of that helps, opther wise I am going to have to stop because of this real digestion and elimination problem this has brought on...something I hate to do because Iam so impressed with everything I have read about Budwigs' results. Thanks! Darla
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Re: questions
Les Catterall
Hi Marsha,
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As has been mentioned already, excessive consumption of flax seed oil is not advised when it is not combined with cottage cheese. As far as the consumption of ground raw flax seeds is concerned, I believe the important thing is to consume the ground up seeds soon after grinding them, ie. before the resultant food goes rancid which occurs with exposure to oxygen and is exacerbated by exposure to heat and light. Just keep your seeds in a cool, dark place, and don't grind them up until they're required. Baking the seeds seems counter intuitive to me. I hope my comments help. Cheers - Les Catterall Marsha wrote:
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Cliff Beckwith
Hi,
The website that Marsha cites has a lot of information that indicates that Flax Oil is a dangerous drug rather than a beneficial food. I have not analyzed it much; I kind of skimmed it. I may not have understanding enough to really think my way through it. I did, however, notice a couple of things. One is that the author said that he was not talking about fresh oil and there is no mention of the use of sulfur based proteins with it. Dr. Budwig has pointed out that if the sulfur based proteins are not used with it it will have "the opposite effect". The statement that Flaxseed Oil is like any other chemotherapy is to me patently rediculous. By this time I know what chemo does and I have used Flaxseed oil now for over eleven years and 8 or 9 months. I see no ill effects. Of course, I am no expert. I just know of the results obtained by Dr. Budwig. A lot of research is cited and in reality I know of no research at all that is being done using Fresh Flax Oil with sulfur based proteins such as there is in clobbered milk associated with it. As far as I am concerned, this research is all irrelevant. I believe that rancid Flax oil would be very dangerous and I want to be sure that what I use is fresh and cold until ready for use. Cliff |
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Re: questions
Marsha
This is the website on the dangerous of flax...
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As for baking the flax seed...it if from the Fat Flush Diet by AnneLousie Guittleman...She says that by baking flax seed it makes it safer to it... I've been doing this for over 1 year. Regards, Marsha Bristol ----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Miller To: FlaxSeedOil2@... Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] questions I've been told that one should never heat flax seeds or flax seed oil above 110 degrees. I was told by a chemist that flax oil is unstable and has a tendency to "go bad" fast when either exposed to too much light or heat. I believe you may have read false information, though I would be interested in looking at that web site myself. Please provide that web address. Marsha wrote: > Hi, > I was doing research on coconut oil...and found a site "bad mouthing" flax oil as being dangerous....my questions : it might be dangerous because it is not mixed with the cottage cheese? they also stated that raw flax seed was dangerous. I also bake my flax seed @ 250degrees for 20 minutes. (before I grind them) I was told that got rid of the dangerous part...IS this correct? > > Regards, > > Marsha Bristol > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > FlaxSeedOil2-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: FlaxSeedOil2-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. |
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Re: questions
Steve Miller
I've been told that one should never heat flax seeds or flax seed oil above 110 degrees. I was told by a chemist that flax oil is unstable and has a tendency to "go bad" fast when either exposed to too much light or heat.
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I believe you may have read false information, though I would be interested in looking at that web site myself. Please provide that web address. Marsha wrote: Hi, |
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Marsha
Hi,
I was doing research on coconut oil...and found a site "bad mouthing" flax oil as being dangerous....my questions : it might be dangerous because it is not mixed with the cottage cheese? they also stated that raw flax seed was dangerous. I also bake my flax seed @ 250degrees for 20 minutes. (before I grind them) I was told that got rid of the dangerous part...IS this correct? Regards, Marsha Bristol |
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