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----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Murray" <Doug@...>
To: <FlaxSeedOil2@...>
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Reply/ Questions/Opinions

Weel put Mike! I think that you have hit the nail squarely on the head. I

agree 100% with everything that you have said and commend you for saying it
in such eloquent terms.

I have been lurking in the archives and occasionally posting on bothe

these groups and several others since mid December. What I have learned
would fill volumns and I know that I've only scratched the surface.

Hope to be more active in the future.
Cheers, Doug
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From: Milpara
To: FlaxSeedOil2@...
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Reply/ Questions/Opinions


Hi Cliff and all,
You are absolutely correct on your assessment, Cliff. There are a few

items

i would like to add...I feel that Flax oil may oftentimes not be

prepared

correctly at the manufactring level or it may go rancid due to poor
conditions in shipping or in storage. Light and heat also are

detrimental to

its freshness and goodness. I have tried many oils and at this time
gravitate towards Barleans because of their freshness policy. I also

found a

very good Austrian one here in Taiwan and buy it when I can because it

is

very tastey. Some New Zealand and Australian ones are also available

here,

but they contain 'high lignans" and cost considerably more. I like to

get.

my high lignans for freshly ground up Flaxseeds which I add to my Dr.

Budwig

combination.

Having said this, it goes woithout saying that fresh flaxseed oil is

best

and , IMHO,should only be used in the Dr. Budwig combination of

Flaxseed

oil and organic low fat quark [or low fat cottage cheese or low fat

yoghurt,

etc.]. A word about using Flaxseed oil alone: I know that Dr. Budwig has
warned us about using Flaxseed Oil alone because as you should aptly put

it

" it can have the opposite effect," and I recall that Dr. Roehm put it

in

his paper on Flaxseed Oil. However, I believe this is for the very ill
people who are trying to recover their health.( against tumors?).

Also, Dr. Budwig does advocate using about 2-3 tablespoons of FlaxOil

on

salads, some examples, #61, #64 or even a cup #65. (See her "Oil-Protein
Diet Cookbook." [ I am open to discussion on this subject.].

However, when the Flaxseed oil is combined with sulferated dairy
protein, it makes the unsaturated fat in the Flaxseed oil ""water

soluble".

This makes it possible for the Omega 3 to enter the bloodstream directly

and

give the body what is sorrily missing due to the "inertfoods" which we

are

eating. It is here where the difference is about using an oil on its own

or

combined with the sulferated protein of the dairy product for maximum
benefit to health. I repeat again that I only use flaxseed oil combined

with

low fat organic yoghurt or low fat cottage cheese, which I try to make

or

when possible buy in a health food store. Then I always add some Food

Grade

3 % H2O2 to the dairy when I open up the bottle. This is to kill some

bad

bacteria and also to extend the life of the dairy product in the
refrigerator.

Today, I prepared the Dr. Budwig combination. My homemade Low fat

cottage

cheese/yoghurt had a very sour, sharp taste. I added some colloidal

silver

( about 30 mls) and the sharpness and sour taste disappeared. I

experiment

whenever I can to rid the dairy of bad bacteria with either the H2O2 or

the

Colloidal Silver.

Lastly, let me say that the Coconut list is a good list and I love

Coconut

Oil [and even Palm Oil which they do not sell.] They do however sell

coconut

oil and sometimes I feel that they are a bit over exuberant in their
message. Their experts do not see eye to eye with Dr. Budwig but this is
somewhat to be expected from people who have done their own research and
believe they are absolutely correct and do not want other opinions.

(This

BTW is my own opinion and I may be wrong in my assessment!).

I feel also that we are, in a way, a "sister list" to the coconut list

and

that coconut oil is extremely good for many maladies and self-remedies.

It

does not have Omega 3 ( at least not in any noticeable quantities, I
believe). But they don`t seem to acknowledge that the Dr. Budwig

protocol

is extremely healthy for serious illnesses and for health

maintenance.It`s

one thing to have a product in which to cook, use as an antiseptic

cleaner,

and to give some lauric acid/ vitamins to the body, and it`s quite

another

thing to supply the body with the Essential fatty Acid (Omega 3) in

order to

regain health or to maintain it. I see the two oils as two completely
different products with different benefits, but compatble , again IMHO.

Dr. Budwig has a long proven track record and this should be respected.
Some people are on our list are also on the coconut list and can give a

lot

more input than I am doing. Again, I may be wrong and am willing to

stand

corrected. I too am a subscriber to the coconut list but must say that

I

don`t often read the messages unless I recognize one of the Flaxseed

people

or some subject of great interest, only because of very limited time at

this

time. If people want to downplay Flaxseed Oil , they should first do

their

homework thoroughly and well, and examine all the good the Dr. Budwig
Combination and her complete protocol do for people. This protocol also
includes coconut oil in the Oleolox, which is combined with Flaxseed

oil!

( see "The Oil-Protein Diet Cookbook"). It doesn`t have to be one or the
other...Dr. Budwig long agao recognized the great worth of coconut fat
(oil)...

Thanks for bearing with me on these topics but they are on my mind often

and

we have to understand them them well if we want better health. I hope I

am

not repeating myself too much or using the words of others but these

are my

true feelings. We can learn from everyone and should. Thanks and best,

Ciao

for now, Mike Cinelli

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Cliff Beckwith" <cliffb865@...>
To: "Flaxseed Oil 2" <FlaxSeedOil2@...>
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 10:11 AM
Subject: [FlaxSeedOil2] Questions


> Hi,
>
> The website that Marsha cites has a lot of information that indicates

that

> Flax Oil is a dangerous drug rather than a beneficial food.
>
> I have not analyzed it much; I kind of skimmed it. I may not have
> understanding enough to really think my way through it.
>
> I did, however, notice a couple of things. One is that the author

said

that
> he was not talking about fresh oil and there is no mention of the use

of

> sulfur based proteins with it.
>
> Dr. Budwig has pointed out that if the sulfur based proteins are not

used

> with it it will have "the opposite effect".
>
> The statement that Flaxseed Oil is like any other chemotherapy is to

me

> patently rediculous. By this time I know what chemo does and I have

used

> Flaxseed oil now for over eleven years and 8 or 9 months. I see no

ill

> effects. Of course, I am no expert. I just know of the results

obtained

by
> Dr. Budwig.
>
> A lot of research is cited and in reality I know of no research at all
that
> is being done using Fresh Flax Oil with sulfur based proteins such as
there
> is in clobbered milk associated with it.
>
> As far as I am concerned, this research is all irrelevant.
>
> I believe that rancid Flax oil would be very dangerous and I want to

be

sure
> that what I use is fresh and cold until ready for use.
>
> Cliff
>
>
>
>
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