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What can be done about a person who subscribes our group to Groups io when she was told not to and she isn't the owner or even in the group?? We have an AOL group and she took it upon herself to put us in Groups io. She was sent 2 emails by us telling her not to and she did it anyway.? She has groups on Groups io and thinks she can dictate to everyone else.
Can we report this person so this doesn't happen again?
Lavon
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On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 06:33 PM, Lavon wrote:
What can be done about a person who subscribes our group to Groups io when she was told not to and she isn't the owner or even in the group?
In a word, nothing.? As a new service, Groups.io allows anyone to create any group they wish, as long as the name hasn't been taken.? If folks don't join the group, it may go away eventually, but I don't believe there's a fixed amount of 'idle' time required. Duane -- Help: /static/helpGMF's Wiki: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiSearch button at the top of Messages list A few site FAQs: /static/pricing#frequently-asked-questions
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What can be done about a person who subscribes our group to Groups io when she was told not to and she isn't the owner or even in the group?? We have an AOL group and she took it upon herself to put us in Groups io.
I'm not sure I understand what happened.
Did she create a group at Groups.io, then add your email addresses to that new group? There are two ways that can be done.
One is that she could have Invited all of your email addresses to join the Groups.io group. You're all free to ignore that invitation and you would not then be members of the Groups.io group.
The other is that, if
she's paying for a Premium Groups.io group, you may receive a notice that you've been added to her Groups.io group. If so that notice would have contained an opt-out.
She has groups on Groups io and thinks she can dictate to everyone else.
She can have as many groups on Groups.io as she wishes, but that doesn't mean that anyone else has to participate in those groups. If you didn't opt out in the first place, just leave her groups.
Can we report this person so this doesn't happen again?
If you believe that she has violated Groups.io's Terms of Service you can report that to [email protected], but simply adding you to a group wouldn't ordinarily be a violation. It might become a violation if she does it repeatedly in a manner that may be considered harassment or spamming.
Shal
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But wasn't her group me and another Lady opened it and own it and she tried to sign us up with groups io.? What's to keep anyone from taking your group and doing what they want with it?? Doesn't seem right or fair.
Lavon
In a message dated 6/3/2019 5:02:00 PM Pacific Standard Time, txpigeon@... writes:
On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 06:33 PM, Lavon wrote:
What can be done about a person who subscribes our group to Groups io when she was told not to and she isn't the owner or even in the group?
In a word, nothing.? As a new service, Groups.io allows anyone to create any group they wish, as long as the name hasn't been taken.? If folks don't join the group, it may go away eventually, but I don't believe there's a fixed amount of 'idle' time required. Duane -- Help: /static/helpGMF's Wiki: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiSearch button at the top of Messages list A few site FAQs: /static/pricing#frequently-asked-questions
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This wasn't her group she didn't create it .? It was created by myself and another person and she took it upon herself to add our group to groups io when she was told not to do it not once but twice.? She isn't even in our group she say our ad and saw we? were an AOL group and decided we need to change to groups io? Not her group, not a member and non of her business.
Lavon
In a message dated 6/3/2019 5:25:07 PM Pacific Standard Time, shals2nd@... writes:
What can be done about a person who subscribes our group to Groups io when she was told not to and she isn't the owner or even in the group?? We have an AOL group and she took it upon herself to put us in Groups io.
I'm not sure I understand what happened.
Did she create a group at Groups.io, then add your email addresses to that new group? There are two ways that can be done.
One is that she could have Invited all of your email addresses to join the Groups.io group. You're all free to ignore that invitation and you would not then be members of the Groups.io group.
The other is that, if she's paying for a Premium Groups.io group, you may receive a notice that you've been added to her Groups.io group. If so that notice would have contained an opt-out.
She has groups on Groups io and thinks she can dictate to everyone else.
She can have as many groups on Groups.io as she wishes, but that doesn't mean that anyone else has to participate in those groups. If you didn't opt out in the first place, just leave her groups.
Can we report this person so this doesn't happen again?
If you believe that she has violated Groups.io's Terms of Service you can report that to [email protected], but simply adding you to a group wouldn't ordinarily be a violation. It might become a violation if she does it repeatedly in a manner that may be considered harassment or spamming.
Shal
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Lavon, This wasn't her group she didn't create it . It was created by myself
and another person ... And you said this was a group on AOL? ... she took it upon herself to add our group to groups io ... This is the part I still don't understand. What is it that you mean when you say she added your AOL group to Groups.io? Did she add your AOL group's posting address to a Groups.io group? Did she collect the email addresses of your AOL group's members and add them to a Groups.io group? Or did she simply create a Groups.io group with the same name as your AOL group? Without some clarity on exactly what happened I don't know how to advise you. Shal -- Help: /static/helpMore Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiEven More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list
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she took our group and added the group to groups io
In a message dated 6/3/2019 10:11:07 PM Pacific Standard Time, shals2nd@... writes:
Lavon, > This wasn't her group she didn't create it .? It was created by myself > and another person ... And you said this was a group on AOL? > ... she took it upon herself to add our group to groups io ... This is the part I still don't understand. What is it that you mean when you say she added your AOL group to Groups.io? Did she add your AOL group's posting address to a Groups.io group? Did she collect the email addresses of your AOL group's members and add them to a Groups.io group? Or did she simply create a Groups.io group with the same name as your AOL group? Without some clarity on exactly what happened I don't know how to advise you. Shal -- Help: /static/helpMore Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiEven More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list
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Lavon, she took our group and added the group to groups io You've said that several times, but I still don't know what you mean by "took your group". If she's not even a member of your group, in what way did she "take" it? An external group (such as an AOL group, whatever that is), cannot be a member of a Groups.io group. Only individual email addresses can be added to a Groups.io group. So that leaves me with the questions I asked before: Did she add your AOL group's posting address to a Groups.io group?
Did she collect the email addresses of your AOL group's members and
add them to a Groups.io group?
Or did she simply create a Groups.io group with the same name as your
AOL group?
If you don't understand my questions, please ask for clarification. Perhaps you can describe what happened in greater detail. Shal -- Help: /static/helpMore Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiEven More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list
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In a message dated 6/3/2019 10:29:32 PM Pacific Standard Time, shals2nd@... writes:
>> Did she add your AOL group's posting address to a Groups.io group?
YES she added our group address and posted to groups io? when we were an active AOL group.
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Lavon, YES she added our group address and posted to groups io ... So, if she's not a member of your AOL group, how do her messages in a groups.io group get transmitted to your AOL group members? Does your AOL group allow non-members to post to the group? Can't your AOL group block her messages? I don't know anything about AOL, but I would expect that AOL's group software allows your group's owners / moderators to remove, ban, or otherwise block her (or anyone) from posting to the group. when we were an active AOL group. "Were"? Presumably you still _are_ an active AOL group. I'm still failing to understand how she and her Groups.io group(s) are causing a problem for your AOL group. Can you describe for me a sequence of events? 1) She posts to a Groups.io group that she created. 2) That message goes out to the members of her Groups.io group. 3) If your AOL group's posting address is in her Groups.io group's membership then a copy of her message arrives at your AOL group. 4) It is at this point that I'd expect your AOL group software to reject her message (because she's not a member of your AOL group). That should be the end of it, her message doesn't reach you or your AOL Group's other members. Where has my understanding failed? Shal -- Help: /static/helpMore Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiEven More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list
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but simply adding you to a group wouldn't ordinarily be a violation Interesting. In my country adding someone to the group (mail list) without his consent or his request is against the law.
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Let me jump in here (at least this is how?AOL groups?used to work)
AOL groups aren't like Groups IO, Google or Yahoo Groups
You don't send messages to a group site?and then the group site?sends?the messages out to it's members.?
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In an AOL group?when you share mail, they put everyone's email address in the To Field and then run into the
CC field if they need more room. Sometimes they would have initial senders who send mail to let's say
10 people and then those 10 people would send mail to whoever is on their list and so on and so on
showing everyone's email address who is being sent mail in the TO or CC field.
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So if the wrong person gets to see those AOL messages they have everyone's email address of the group.
That is why?AOL groups really aren't safe groups because someone like whoever
Lavon is talking about can see those email addresses and send mail or invites or whatever to all those members of
that group. So this person was able to send mail to everyone on Lavon's AOL group's list because she had access to
their emails. That is how she was able to send mail to the group without being a member of the group.
That is also why etiquette of email sending using the BCC field when sending to multiple groups or people aren't being followed in AOL groups which can lead to spam or in this case sending out messages and invites to these AOL members.
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I am not completely sure what Lavon is talking about but I think that person took the name of
Lavon's group and created a groups IO group using the same name. From that point I am lost too.
Maybe that person sent out invites to the members of the AOL group and some joined and thus had the same name
as a Groups IO group. If that is the case the only wrong doing was the member who sent out unsolicited invites.
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Groups IO isn't in the wrong. How does Groups IO know that someone else is using the name for a group that another person is using from a group set up somewhere else?
I also think what Lavon is trying to say is she wants that Groups IO group that this Lady set up using the name of her group closed.
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Lavon,
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So, if she's not a member of your AOL group, how do her messages in a
groups.io group get transmitted to your AOL group members? Does your AOL
group allow non-members to post to the group? Can't your AOL group block
her messages?
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I don't know anything about AOL, but I would expect that AOL's group
software allows your group's owners / moderators to remove, ban, or
otherwise block her (or anyone) from posting to the group.
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"Were"? Presumably you still _are_ an active AOL group.
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I'm still failing to understand how she and her Groups.io group(s) are
causing a problem for your AOL group.
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Can you describe for me a sequence of events?
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1) She posts to a Groups.io group that she created.
2) That message goes out to the members of her Groups.io group.
3) If your AOL group's posting address is in her Groups.io group's
membership then a copy of her message arrives at your AOL group.
4) It is at this point that I'd expect your AOL group software to reject
her message (because she's not a member of your AOL group).
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That should be the end of it, her message doesn't reach you or your AOL
Group's other members.
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Where has my understanding failed?
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<div style="font-family: sans-serif;"> <div> <p>I think I know what happened as I've done this in the past. She basically collected the email addresses of the members of the AOL group with out anyone's permission and created the group on gropus.io. I have done this in the past with someone's permission. Yeah. I know exactly what she did, correct me if I'm wrong.</p> <p>Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP.<br /><br /><span style="font-size: 8pt;">[Unrelated sequence of links trimmed by Moderator]</span></p> <p>On 3 Jun 2019, at 22:29, Shal Farley wrote:</p> <blockquote> <p>Lavon,</p> <p>> she took our group and added the group to groups io</p> <p>You've said that several times, but I still don't know what you mean by "took your group". If she's not even a member of your group, in what way did she "take" it?</p> <p>An external group (such as an AOL group, whatever that is), cannot be a member of a Groups.io group. Only individual email addresses can be added to a Groups.io group.</p> <p>So that leaves me with the questions I asked before:</p> <p>>> Did she add your AOL group's posting address to a Groups.io group?<br />>><br />>> Did she collect the email addresses of your AOL group's members and<br />>> add them to a Groups.io group?<br />>><br />>> Or did she simply create a Groups.io group with the same name as your<br />>> AOL group?</p> <p>If you don't understand my questions, please ask for clarification.</p> <p>Perhaps you can describe what happened in greater detail.</p> <p>Shal</p> <p>-- <br />Help: <a href=" /static/help" rel="nofollow"> /static/help</a><br />More Help: <a href=" /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki" rel="nofollow"> /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki</a><br />Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list</p> <p> </p> </blockquote> </div> </div>
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On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 03:17 PM, Leeni wrote:
Let me jump in here... (etc)
Now that explanation begins to make rather more sense, to me anyway! That does not, however, mean that I have a solution to the problem. Lavon's posts suggest that the miscreant isn't actually a member of the AOL group either, which I find a little baffling. If she is a member, then I would suggest removing her at once, assuming that that action is possible. I'm not suggesting that this proposal would work, but reporting the matter to [email protected] might be worth trying, but the report will have to be written very carefully to ensure its meaning is much clearer than the reports here. Mark may well see it as something that he can do little or nothing about, but I would expect there would be a better chance of a positive outcome if he can actually understand the problem; if he can't then the chances of him doing anything are non - existent. Chris
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I know Lavon as she is in some of my groups.
I am going to write her off list and see?exactly what?went on.
I will let you all know if I can clarify things. Leeni??
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Let me jump in here... (etc) Now that explanation begins to make rather more sense, to me anyway! That does not, however, mean that I have a solution to the problem. Lavon's posts suggest that the miscreant isn't actually a member of the AOL group either, which I find a little baffling. If she is a member, then I would suggest removing her at once, assuming that that action is possible. I'm not suggesting that this proposal would work, but reporting the matter to [email protected] might be worth trying, but the report will have to be written very carefully to ensure its meaning is much clearer than the reports here. Mark may well see it as something that he can do little or nothing about, but I would expect there would be a better chance of a positive outcome if he can actually understand the problem; if he can't then the chances of him doing anything are non - existent. Chris
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That is my gut feeling as to what happened.
But unless she paid for one?month premium membership in Groups IO?she couldn't
direct add these members to the IO group. She would have had to send them invites.
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Now - those members may be duped in?thinking it is the same group as the AOL group so they join.
When in fact the owners of the AOL group have nothing to do with the groups IO group.
So wouldn't that be fraud?
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I wrote to Lavon personally to find out exactly what happened so we can understand it better without speculation.
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<p>I think I know what happened as I've done this in the past. She basically collected the email addresses of the members of the AOL group with out anyone's permission and created the group on gropus.io. I have done this in the past with someone's permission. Yeah. I know exactly what she did, correct me if I'm wrong.</p>
<p>Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP.<br /><br /><span style="font-size: 8pt;">[Unrelated sequence of links trimmed by Moderator]</span></p>
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<p>> she took our group and added the group to groups io</p>
<p>You've said that several times, but I still don't know what you mean by "took your group". If she's not even a member of your group, in what way did she "take" it?</p>
<p>An external group (such as an AOL group, whatever that is), cannot be a member of a Groups.io group. Only individual email addresses can be added to a Groups.io group.</p>
<p>So that leaves me with the questions I asked before:</p>
<p>>> Did she add your AOL group's posting address to a Groups.io group?<br />>><br />>> Did she collect the email addresses of your AOL group's members and<br />>> add them to a Groups.io group?<br />>><br />>> Or did she simply create a Groups.io group with the same name as your<br />>> AOL group?</p>
<p>If you don't understand my questions, please ask for clarification.</p>
<p>Perhaps you can describe what happened in greater detail.</p>
<p>Shal</p>
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