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On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 04:04 am, <stanhopi@...> wrote:

but what does 'fig-leaf' in the above-quoted text
mean. It

It means to hide the email address by removing everything after the "at" sign and substituting ellipses. Email addresses are still figleafed in the archived (i.e., web) version of messages, except for email addresses ending in .io. So if I post my email address here:

j.olivia.catlady@...

only people reading via email will see the entire email address. If you read this message on the web, you will see

j.olivia.catlady@...

There was a long, hard debate on the beta group nearly a year ago about this "feature." Some people (including me) were strongly against it, arguing that the email addresses are available in the email version anyway, so hiding it on the web accomplishes little if anything; the other side wanted to keep it for "privacy" (even though the email addresses are still totally accessible to people reading via email, their argument was that they are not preserved forever in the web archive). Mark finally agreed to make the figleafing an optional setting, but he has still not implemented that. So the email addresses are still figleafed.

However, I recently discovered that the email addresses of messages from group members to the owner address of a group are figleafed also. That was not necessary because the address is seen by no one except the group moderators. So I reported it to Mark and he fixed it. This is the change reported in the change log this week.

J

On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 04:46 pm, Shal Farley wrote:

This week's change log:
[snip]

* Don't fig-leaf the email address of a +owner message.

This is in reference to messages listed in the "+owner Messages" tab of a
given member's page.
[snip]

== ==

Hello again Shal (& All),

Sorry for any bother, but what does 'fig-leaf' in the above-quoted text
mean. It is obvioulsy being used here as a verb. I am asking because
this is the first time I have ever necountered the term used this way.

I did more than a few Google searches but still could not find a keyword
combination which brought up a relevant definition as would apply to an
email addresses, etc., as presented in the above-quoted text.

TIA

Paul Mitchell
Owner, CostaRicaLiving (Yahoo Groups)
==

On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 07:20 pm, Shal Farley wrote:

I'm not entirely sure what you mean as intentional quotes but they probably still get the ellipses treatment if you put them into replies.

I'll test that out. Could be just wishful thinking on my part.

I find it easier to use?Quote Whole Post?and then break the inserted quote apart rather than selecting part to quote before hitting reply

My point had to do with neither of those: I've never used Quote Whole Post (don't really like it), and selecting text before hitting reply works only for the first block-quote. I'm talking about the block-quote feature (depicted by the quotation marks in the toolbar, formerly indicated in the old editor by the term "block quote"). I prefer that feature and use it constantly. It consistently works (as it's working now) except for the one case of your previous post, which I suspected (and still suspect) was due to an interaction with bullet lists.?

J

J,

CHANGE: For messages that we don't think are replies to existing messages, display the entire message, even if it looks like part of the message is a quoted reply.

This looks like a change to the "top-posting algorithm," which formerly swept all quoted material, even intentional quotes, into ellipses, thus making an intentional quote disappear. I've been awaiting this fix for a long time.

Note that this applies only to messages "that we don't think are replies to existing messages". I'm not entirely sure what you mean as intentional quotes but they probably still get the ellipses treatment if you put them into replies.

BTW I'm noticing, Shal, that block-quoting parts of your message is not working in my response. (I'm having to indent by hand.)?(The only block quote working here was the one I achieved by selecting and copying your text before hitting "reply.") ...

If I think I'm going to reply to more than one part I find it easier to use Quote Whole Post and then break the inserted quote apart rather than selecting part to quote before hitting reply. It means I have to use Shift+Enter to break the quoted material apart (Enter alone just puts the newline inside the quote). But it also means I don't have to use the Block Quote button.

This one I'll try by copy/paste and then block quote:

... might have to do with the bulleted list, but not really sure.

I doubt that, my message was unformatted so those bullets were just plain text.

I'll test it out some more and possibly report it as a bug.

Ok. It seems to be working for me.

Shal

Please call out any you find significant.
Ok.

BUGFIX: Fixed config error that would cause hard bounces to not immediately go into bouncing state.

It had turned out that invalid-email-address bounces (which are characterized as hard bounces and should go "red" and be logged immediately) were only given the "blue" B. Significant because invalid email addresses were not going into hard-bouncing (i.e., "bounced") status, and therefore not logged as bouncing, until a possibly long ?period of time.?

* BUGFIX: In the Past Member view, some reasons were not being displayed.

Prior to the fix, in many cases it was impossible to tell how or why a past member was no longer in the group. (The view is available to premium groups only.)

CHANGE: For messages that we don't think are replies to existing messages, display the entire message, even if it looks like part of the message is a quoted reply.

This looks like a change to the "top-posting algorithm," which formerly swept all quoted material, even intentional quotes, into ellipses, thus making an intentional quote disappear. I've been awaiting this fix for a long time.

BTW I'm noticing, Shal, that block-quoting parts of your message is not working in my response. (I'm having to indent by hand.)?(The only block quote working here was the one I achieved by selecting and copying your text before hitting "reply.")?his might have to do with the bulleted list, but not really sure. I'll test it out some more and possibly report it as a bug.?

J

Hi all,

This week's change log:


Feel free to reply to this topic if you'd like to comment on the changes. Or better yet, if you expect a lot of discussion start a new topic (or rejoin an existing one) about a specific change.


* Don't fig-leaf the email address of a +owner message.

This is in reference to messages listed in the "+owner Messages" tab of a given member's page.

I still wish there were a place where such messages from all persons (or at least all members) are collected in a single list. Even better if together with any sent from a moderator to a member (sent via the group's web site, of course).


Comments about these others are also welcome:

* BUGFIX: Fixed config error that would cause hard bounces to not immediately go into bouncing state.
* CHANGE: For messages that we don't think are replies to existing messages, display the entire message, even if it looks like part of the message is a quoted reply.
* NEW: You can now sign up for the Enterprise plan through the website.
* NEW: Catch a couple of French reply headers when displaying messages.
* BUGFIX: In the Subgroups tab, fix the archive privacy display of subgroups.
* NEW: Can now sort by Reason in the Past Member view.
* BUGFIX: In the Past Member view, some reasons were not being displayed.
* ROLLBACK: Subgroup storage is once again counted against the parent group storage.
* CHANGE: Upgrade Github API library to hopefully fix issue for people with more than 37 repositories.
* BUGFIX: Accessing an enterprise group's main group using the groups.io domain would redirect to the wrong group.
* BUGFIX: Single line HTML messages that start with 'At ' would be improperly collapsed.
* CHANGE: Allow emails to group aliases.
* BUGFIX: Messages with hashtags designated as special could not be replied to by non-moderators.
* BUGFIX: Code blocks in Markdown weren't working because of spurious line feeds.
* SYSADMIN: Track redis statistics
* SYSADMIN: Upgraded backup machine db03 because it ran out of memory processing the queue.

Please call out any you find significant.

Shal

Bob,

So I set a hashtag in each event(series) of (hashtg)Special to force
the event to go to Special Notices only members, right?

I haven't tested it, but I think that's right.

If you would want all calendar events to go as special notices I think you could set that attribute on the #cal-reminder hashtag. But you may not see that one in your hashtag list until after the first reminder has been sent (system default hashtags don't show up in the list until they have been used once).

If you'd rather be more selective you can create a hashtag with any name you please, and put the special notice attribute on it. Then add that hashtag to the Event field (subject) of "special" events.

Shal

Paul,

As described above though could one not simply include a LINK to the
file they otherwise would have wanted to send via the calendar?

Sure, you can put a link in the event's Description.

The question then is where you host the file. If it is in the group's Files section then members must be logged in to access the file.

Shal

Thanks Shal,?
So I set a hashtag in each event(series) of (hashtg)Special to force the event to go to Special Notices only members, right?

We were the ones who asked Mark to make NoEmail a group option setting. ?
There are too many of our members who are dead heads and only look when they are in trouble with their vision.
Special Notices is a way to remind ?them of other opportunities for information like our free literature and presentation on DVD.

--?
Bob Bellizzi

The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation

FYI. Attachments in event reminders are on the TODO list (and have been for about 2 1/2 years ;>)


Duane

On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 11:46 am, Shal Farley wrote:

In Groups.io you would do this with a repeating event in the calendar. Much
more flexible delivery schedule than the scheduled files approach of Yahoo
Groups.

The key feature missing from that is that you can't attach a file to the event
reminder.

== ==
Shal,

This sounds good, except for not being able to attach a file. As described above though could one not simply include
a LINK to the file they otherwise would have wanted to send via the calendar? I haven't checked out all the calendar
functions so this is only conjecture on my part, but it would seem to be a simple work-around if URLs are permitted.

Failing that, would the calender functions allow including a linked word or phrase to serve the same purpose as a link?
(This may be a moot suggestion if text only is all that is allowed in calendar messages.)

Just thinking ahead for how to send out our monthly reminders after we migrate our Yahoo Group to Groups.io.

Paul M.
Owner: CostaRicaLiving
==

Bob,

Since message delivery is part of a calendar is there (somewhere) a
list or, better yet a matrix of exactly who would receive calendar
event notifications?
e.g., would it go to
...
4. all except 2 & 3

Event reminders post as ordinary messages, so they would go to all except those on special notices and no email. Members on Digest would see them in the digest.

Event reminders have a default (system supplied) hashtag: #cal-reminder. You can add your own hashtags to their Subject to modify delivery (or other behavior), just like messages.

BTW the same question stands for Special Notices.

All except No Email.

Shal

Thanks everyone for the place to go for the repeating announcement. I
had never thought of the calendar as we've never used it in YG!.

I'll look into this another day as I sent out the message manually in
two of our groups.

Donald

The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who
speak it. --George Orwell

Shal,
Since message delivery is part of a calendar is there (somewhere) a list or, better yet a matrix of exactly who would receive calendar event notifications?
e.g., would it go to

1. all members,
2. all except No Email,
3. all except Special notice
4. all except 2 & 3

BTW the same question stands for Special Notices.

--
Bob Bellizzi

The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation

On 20 Jul 2017 at 14:19, Donald Hellen wrote:

On Yahoo I was able to send out a message automatically every month. I
don't see how to do this on groups.io but surely this must be a feature?

I believe the Gio equivalent is to put your message into a repeating
calendar event. Maybe hashtag #admin to set it apart.

--
Jim
Poston@...

<< All in all it's just a... 'nother brick in the wall! >>

Donald,

On Yahoo I was able to send out a message automatically every month. I
don't see how to do this on groups.io but surely this must be a
feature?

In Groups.io you would do this with a repeating event in the calendar. Much more flexible delivery schedule than the scheduled files approach of Yahoo Groups.

The key feature missing from that is that you can't attach a file to the event reminder. On the other hand, you can write its body with the same WSYWYG editor as message bodies, so if the file would be just readable text you may not need to use an attached file.

Shal

Hi,
One way (and this seems to be the most common one) is to create a periodic
event in Calendar that specifies messages to be sent (as the body of the
appointment) on a regular basis.
Cheers,
Joseph

Hi Doreen!

If I keep the file in the groups.io file area, can it provide me with
a link that members can use to get right to the file?

No.

The files area can only be accessed if you are currently logged in to Groups.io, and a member of the group. So the link would bring the recipient to a prompt to log in (unless the person happened to be logged in already).

In my messages, I provide a link to a schedule for upcoming meetings
that the members must be able to access, preferably with a click. ...
I'm trying to avoid making them go to their groups.io account - I
want it to be one step.

There are three areas in Groups.io groups that you can make open to the public. One is the calendar, and that might be a solution for you. The other two are the messages and the wiki.

If you can represent your schedule adequately in the group's Calendar, and set its access control to "Public and subscribers can view, moderators can edit", then you can pass a link to the calendar in your messages - and that link would work without requiring the recipient to log in.

If the formatting or features of the calendar don't work for your purpose, a page in your group's wiki might. Wiki pages are essentially free-form: they have a WYSIWYG editor, with the ability to edit the raw HTML as well. You may be able to essentially copy-and-paste your schedule document into a wiki page.

An advantage of either the calendar or a wiki page is that they are easy for you to edit, you don't have to create and upload a new file.

Shal

On Yahoo I was able to send out a message automatically every month. I
don't see how to do this on groups.io but surely this must be a
feature?

Donald

The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who
speak it. --George Orwell

Yes and no. As long as they're signed in to the site, they can click a link to it and get the file. If they're not signed in, they'll need to do so before they can get the file. A log in is good for 30 days if you don't sign out on that device.

You'd upload the file, then right click on it to Copy Link Location (or hover on the file name to see the URL).

Duane