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There was no obscenity in my post, even though I wanted to. I am sick of having to delete his picture every time I see a message from him. Maybe it bothers me more than it does others, but I notice that Tiffany Hahn also is annoyed.
Barry. ? Please don't use this kind of language in your posts. ?It's not necessary to make your point. "I think it is simply his vanity that he wants his silly face to be seen by all of us. It gives him a feeling of power if he can annoy other people." ? Denver Dan Moderator On Mon, 28 Oct 2019 22:08:12 -0400, Barry Austern via Groups.Io wrote: On Oct 28, 2019, at 8:39 PM, Tiffany Hahn <tiffany@...> wrote:
In my mind, the question is - what does an image, graphic, or photo
ADD to the information being sought and/or volunteered?
An image indicating contact information for a member's Mac repair
business is very relevant.
Personal photos in signature lines are more relevant when people are
trying to prove they're not 13. If 13 year old member on the list
posted an articulate question or response, their age becomes
irrelevant. If the information is accurate and well-phrased, they
could be any age, any gender, from any location, etc.
I think it is simply his vanity that he wants his silly face to be
seen by all of us. It gives him a feeling of power if he can annoy
other people.
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We all are, and the way to stop it is for him to remove the picture.? On Oct 28, 2019, at 9:59 PM, Jim Showalter < jshowalt@...> wrote:
I’m really tired of this pointless discussion. On Oct 28, 2019, at 6:18 PM, Jim Saklad via Groups.Io < jimdoc@...> wrote:
On Oct 28, 2019, at 8:39 PM, Tiffany Hahn wrote:
In my mind, the question is - what does an image, graphic, or photo?ADD to the information being sought and/or volunteered?
In my mind, it provides HUMAN contact in a HUMAN conversation. An image indicating contact information for a member's Mac repair?business is very relevant.
What *I* am running is often not very relevant to the OP’s complaint.?When it is, I include that info as part of the conversation. I certainly don’t think it needs to be on EVERY posting. So I'll ask - Jim, what does the photo of you add to your post? If it's just?for the sake of it, I think you need to take to heart that there are actual?reasons NOT to do it.?
Let me answer that indirectly. Having an image of YOU on a post to which I am replying gives ME a?much better feeling for the person with whom I am conversing. More like?a face-to-face conversation between real people.
The difference in message size between image the way I’m now doing it and no image is about the same, or less, as the difference between sending in RTF versus sending in plain text. I'm not opposed to it, personally. "Selfish" is choosing your own want?over someone else's need, but you do what you gotta do.
Oh, come on. I’m sure you could phrase that with greater personal hostility if you just put your mind to it.
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On Oct 29, 2019, timmeidroth wrote:
jim, apparently not in every case...for instance, i see the?post number?when reading email such as this?one...here's what i see at the bottom of?each email i?receive:
Links:You receive all messages sent to this?group.
View/Reply Online (#480) | Reply To Group | Reply To?Sender |
Huh! I somehow never noticed that! Thanks!
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This topic is now moderated. I think we’ve had enough of this topic. It now requires moderator approval to add messages to this topic.?
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In Apple Mail attachments are kept even when the message is deleted. Every time I see a message from him I have to go to the Message menu, scroll down and click remove attachments.?
On Oct 28, 2019, at 10:10 PM, Barry Austern via Groups.Io <barryaus@...> wrote:
Fine for those who read the messages on the web, but for those of us who read in Email the images keep coming and coming. Maybe Jim will buy us all bigger hard drives.
Wait… you’re *keeping* all these emails? Including this sig line thread? — Jeannette, who only keeps emails she’s going to consult later
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I stand corrected—I had no idea.
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On Oct 29, 2019, at 1:22 PM, Barry Austern via Groups.Io <barryaus@...> wrote:
In Apple Mail attachments are kept even when the message is deleted. Every time I see a message from him I have to go to the Message menu, scroll down and click remove attachments.
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No, we ALL are NOT annoyed. It appears that three folks are annoyed and causing all the bickering. If the moderators agree that it is ok for the picture, then it is ok. Either ignore or remove the picture if you want. There have been two or three folks that have expressed approval. I have no problem with the picture. You do. That’s OK. We can agree to disagree, but please BE CIVIL about it. It seems that the vast majority of folks do NOT have a problem with the picture. Could we possibly end this thread and go back to broken computers, phones and OS!? Fully expecting to be the recipient of flames over this, but please, STOP IT! On Oct 29, 2019, at 1:16 PM, Barry Austern via Groups.Io <barryaus@...> wrote:
We all are, and the way to stop it is for him to remove the picture. Bob ’The Beckster’ Beckham FCC RadioTelephone Licence P1-6S-2422 w/Radar endorsement. Apple iMac 27” Late 2012 - macOS 10.15.0 - RAM 16 Gig 2016 Harley-Davidson FLHTKL 1993 Allen MDS Theater 2
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Actually, it looks like it started out as Testing an Attachment, someone changed it to Signature Attachment, then hash tags added #MacSupportCentral.
At least that is how Mail.app shows the thread.
Personally, I can do without the additional #(hashtag) or the change in subject line.
I normally don't read by thread, and when I am on my iPad, I don't believe it is available in Mail.app. Not that I have looked for threading in iOS.
Brent
MacBook Pro,?15",?early 2008, OS X 10.7.5 iPhone 4S, iOS 9.3.6 iPad 3rd gen, iOS 9.3.5
On Oct 29, 2019, at 7:53 AM, timmeidroth wrote: so now there are two threads on this subject?
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On Oct 29, 2019, at 7:59 AM, Jim Saklad via Groups.Io wrote: On Oct 29, 2019, Brent?wrote: Go to?/account?page=viewprofile, if needed click on?the Identity tab on the left. If you have added a image to your profile,?two-finger click on your image, then select Copy Image Address.
OK. Got it. Thanks.
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Tim, quoting a post number does not help. I assume you are on digest, because finding a post by number in email is a pain. And it was Jim Robertson.
On Oct 29, 2019, at 8:04 AM, timmeidroth wrote: excellent response from jim saklad in post 447.
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On Oct 29, 2019, at 8:02 AM, jimrobertson via Groups.Io wrote:
What does sfw mean? If you use the link to an image that you use for your groups profile, all it adds is the text of the link.?
Also what html links are you seeing at the bottom. On my MBP, iPhone and iPad, I see the same links that yahoo used to put on the bottom, reply, new, how to unsub, etc.
Brent
MacBook Pro,?15",?early 2008, OS X 10.7.5 iPhone 4S, iOS 9.3.6 iPad 3rd gen, iOS 9.3.5
.i wish everyone used them!...being able to see an image of the poster is significant...i'd put my image in my sig in a heartbeat if i knew how to do it...btw, it ain't about vanity; it's about connection.
I’m hesitant to prolong this discussion, given how much acrimony it’s engendered, but I’ll ask one more naive question. If I do find a “sfw” potential avatar, will it bloat the size of every post I make, or will it actually be stored on the io groups servers and be “loaned” to the posts?
And, at the risk of prolonging it, I’d like to note that reading this group on iOS (at least as I have it configured in iOS mail on my iPhone 11 Pro) is really painful. Every single message in a conversation appears every time a new message is posted in the topic, along with all the html links that live inconspicuously at the bottom of the message panel on a Mac, but appear as equals with the message itself in iOS. I don’t know if this is the only option.
Jim Robertson
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OK, let’s try it. --PSmith MacBook Pro (early 2013) w/ Mac OS 10.15, iPad Pro 9.7 inch and iPhone XS Max w/ iOS 13?
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On Oct 29, 2019, at 1:43 AM, Brent via Groups.Io <whodo678@...> wrote:
Go to? /account?page=viewprofile, if needed click on the Identity tab on the left. If you have added a image to your profile, two-finger click on your image, then select?Copy Image Address.
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You can find it in the Groups.io Links, but it is hard to find in email delivery.?
On Oct 29, 2019, at 8:24 AM, Jim Saklad via Groups.Io wrote: On Oct 29, 2019, timmeidroth wrote:
excellent response from jim saklad in post 447.
Post numbers (“447”) are ONLY seen by folks reading the forum on the?website. (Hmmm. Maybe digests…)
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Yeah, but looking at your email app, try and accurately find it every time, when a little time has passed. You also threw up some dust by attributing it to the wrong person.
On Oct 29, 2019, at 9:42 AM, timmeidroth wrote: jim, apparently not in every case...for instance, i see the post number when reading email such as this one...here's what i see at the bottom of each email i receive: Groups.io Links:You receive all messages sent to this group.View/Reply Online (#480) | Reply To Group | Reply To Sender | Mute This Topic | New Topic Mute #macsupportcentral ...as you can see, it shows that your post is number 480 ... this might have to do with my old operating system, which is snow leopard on a 2010 imac. On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 10:24 AM Jim Saklad via Groups.Io <jimdoc= [email protected]> wrote: ?Post numbers (“447”) are ONLY seen by folks reading the forum on the?website. (Hmmm. Maybe digests…)
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Then use the reply button in your email app. I'm on an older Mac, but newer OS.
Brent
MacBook Pro,?15",?early 2008, OS X 10.7.5 iPhone 4S, iOS 9.3.6 iPad 3rd gen, iOS 9.3.5
On Oct 29, 2019, at 9:56 AM, timmeidroth wrote: i agree, dave...replies ex context has been one of my pet peeves in groups since 1995... however, on the learning curve here with the new group...at bottom of message when i hit ?"reply to group" there is no option to quote relevant message (!) ...the option is available in the reply area located in the upper right hand corner...this oddity may be due to my old operating system, ?snow leopard, plus being on a 2010 imac. ? ?? On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 11:15 AM DaveC via Groups.Io <davec2468= [email protected]> wrote: Please quote some of the message you’re replying to so we don’t have to dig in the thread to find “post 447”. It’s common practice and courtesy.
Dave
excellent response from jim saklad in post 447.
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477 was not a link in Tim's post and if you click on 478 in the links that is where you go, not to 477.
On Oct 29, 2019, at 10:01 AM, Pat Taylor via Groups.Io wrote: You can tap the link and it takes you to the noted message.
Pat Pro2 ? I see it ?on my MacMail, no digests, on Sierra.
Just never noticed it before.
Wouldn’t want to go looking for a post based on this number tho’.
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jim, apparently not in every case...for instance, i see the post number when reading email such as this one...here's what i see at the bottom of each email i receive: Links:You receive all messages sent to this group.View/Reply Online (#480) | Reply To Group | Reply To Sender | Mute This Topic | New Topic Mute #macsupportcentral ...as you can see, it shows that your post is number 480 ... this might have to do with my old operating system, which is snow leopard on a 2010 imac. On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 10:24 AM Jim Saklad via Groups.Io <jimdoc= [email protected]> wrote: ?Post numbers (“447”) are ONLY seen by folks reading the forum on the?website. (Hmmm. Maybe digests…)
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On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 01:03 PM, Brent wrote:
If you use the link to an image that you use for your groups profile, all it adds is the text of the link.?
1st... to quote text just select the text to quote and hit reply. This works on the web site as well as mail.app. 2nd. To use you group profile photo without it ending up like text you have to embed the html into the message. I havn’t exactly figured that out because it appears to be difficult to do on the iPad. The tools provided by groups.io may not let you do it.
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On Oct 29, 2019, at 1:45 PM, Brent via Groups.Io <whodo678@...> wrote:
I normally don't read by thread, and when I am on my iPad, I don't believe it is available in Mail.app “Go to Settings > Mail, then turn on Organize by Thread. To change how threads are displayed, you can also change other settings in Settings > Mail—such as Collapse Read Messages or Most Recent Message on Top.” Excerpt From iPad User Guide for iPadOS 13.1 Apple Inc. This material may be protected by copyright. The same is true for iOS 12. With that said, I normally prefer to not use that option. It’s been a long time since I used it on my Mac, and on that OS it did strange things when I deleted messages. -- Bev in TX
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Tim Meidroth wrote:
Excellent response from Jim Saklad in post 447.
Brent replied: Tim, quoting a post number does not help. I assume you are on digest,?because finding a post by number in email is a pain. And it was Jim?Robertson.
Post #447 was my reply to Tiffany. I’m Jim Saklad.
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I agree with Bob Beckham. I am not annoyed. What one chooses to do on one’s signature often has to do with one’s profession. For instance, I put Ph.D. at the end of my signature and was accused of vanity or showing off. I did that because I am a translator and in my day there was no professional degree in translation so the Ph.D. was a way of indicating that I knew what I was talking about so that I would get the translation job. I actually like photos, it does make more of a connection.? I envy the people whose lives are so perfect that they have time to complain about a signature!
Regards,
Joan
Bad officials are elected by good?citizens who do not vote. -George?Jean Nathan, author and editor (14?Feb 1882-1958)?
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