Sid, ? That's a very interesting read on your part. I think it could also be taken as the women are willing to" listen and learn", and the guys are thinking "I know all this stuff" ! It would really be interesting to see who the performers are in that group. My guess is there are more females in the "shining star group" than males...
Mark
On Mon, Apr 28, 2025 at 11:45?AM Sid Tolchin via <Sidtolchin= [email protected]> wrote:
I¡¯m fairly sure many of us receive General Aviation News every day as I do and appreciate the quick review it offers in the latest aviation occurrences.
Today¡¯s article was a bit different and I¡¯d like to share an impression (My unfortunate psychiatric training is responsible for this, so apologies).
Please study this photo that illustrated one of the newsworthy items today:
Did you see it?
I found it really interesting that all of the men in this group of A&P students uniformly held their arms in an adversarial or ¡°crossed arms¡± position while all of the women (again uniformly) held theirs in a submissive position.
With the increasing validity of the real worth of women in aviation, I was disturbed by this. I¡¯d really like to have seen the women cross their arms to accentuate their value rather than to have assumed what appears to an observer to be a position of subservience.
Our gals in the WASPS, the 99¡¯s, the WIA, so many other worthwhile groups and the great female pilots (aviators) and instructors I¡¯ve known and trained with deserve acknowledgement and appreciation. I don¡¯t expect them to be bossy but at least equal. They have to know this and act accordingly.
Vive La Difference!!
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I¡¯m fairly sure many of us receive General Aviation News every day as I do and appreciate the quick review it offers in the latest aviation occurrences.
Today¡¯s article was a bit different and I¡¯d like to share an impression (My unfortunate psychiatric training is responsible for this, so apologies).
Please study this photo that illustrated one of the newsworthy items today:
Did you see it?
I found it really interesting that all of the men in this group of A&P students uniformly held their arms in an adversarial or ¡°crossed arms¡± position while all of the women (again uniformly) held theirs in a submissive position.
With the increasing validity of the real worth of women in aviation, I was disturbed by this. I¡¯d really like to have seen the women cross their arms to accentuate their value rather than to have assumed what appears to an observer to be a position of subservience.
Our gals in the WASPS, the 99¡¯s, the WIA, so many other worthwhile groups and the great female pilots (aviators) and instructors I¡¯ve known and trained with deserve acknowledgement and appreciation. I don¡¯t expect them to be bossy but at least equal. They have to know this and act accordingly.
Vive La Difference!!
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That was a picture from last year's open house .? Yes, Uncanny resemblance.
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Wow, she looks just like Nancy!? Beautiful aircraft.? Was today open house?
On Sunday, April 27, 2025, 5:29 PM, Timothy Higgins via <timothyahiggins=[email protected]> wrote: I met the builder/owner of this RV4 today in Shelby . Super interesting IA who's helped build at least 6 RVs (?).? He does aerobatics in it .? Evidently, it won an award at Sun-n-fun after it was completed, years ago.
Tim H.
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Re: YouTube movie ¡°The Pilot¡±
Alex, ? ? ? ?Thank you for this recommendation. I saw the movie ¡°The Pilot¡± on Amazon Prime video. Riveting action, especially good flying and combat scenes. Very entertaining, although truthfully dark. The Russian front was hell in WW2. Ever read ¡°The Blond Knight of Germany¡±? True story about the highest scoring ace in history, Eric Hartmann of Germany on the Russian front. The Germans bragged they killed three Russians for every German lost, the problem being there were four Russians in the Red army for every German. Thanks for dynamic display of heroism. Best Regards - George Heddy.
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On Apr 15, 2025, at 10:20?AM, Sid Tolchin via groups.io <Sidtolchin@...> wrote:
? Great shots. Thanks. On Apr 14, 2025, at 11:02?PM, Alex Nelon via groups.io <Alex.nelon@...> wrote:
?A Russian film ¡ once through the first few minutes I was hooked. It¡¯s a great story. Tough to watch at times. Subtitles.
Every country has its heroes.
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Wow, she looks just like Nancy!? Beautiful aircraft.?
On Sunday, April 27, 2025, 5:29 PM, Timothy Higgins via groups.io <timothyahiggins@...> wrote: I met the builder/owner of this RV4 today in Shelby . Super interesting IA who's helped build at least 6 RVs (?).? He does aerobatics in it .? Evidently, it won an award at Sun-n-fun after it was completed, years ago.
Tim H.
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I met the builder/owner of this RV4 today in Shelby . Super interesting IA who's helped build at least 6 RVs (?).? He does aerobatics in it .? Evidently, it won an award at Sun-n-fun after it was completed, years ago.
Tim H.
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What a day! A job well done! Almost ready for Airplanes in the museum hangar!
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From: Alex Nelon <alex.nelon@...>
Subject: What a day! A job well done! Almost ready for Airplanes in the museum hangar!
Date: April 26, 2025 at 10:37:18?PM EDT
The last hangar door is up!
Thank you, all who were there. 14 of us managed to complete the initial part of the job in record time - just under 3 hours - and all that is left is the weather stripping and holdbacks so they don¡¯t drift open while airplanes are being moved in and out. Dan topside, Dennis at the bottom, Bill watching (they also serve who gaze in wonder), Jerry sweeping (they also serve, etc), Pete in the background doing something (?).?
Tim A explaining the finer points of floor sweeping. Management is essential.?
Placement of bottom rollers . . . everybody got into the act. This door went really smoothly . . . a great crew makes the work flow right along.
Ed and the paramotor club installed weather stripping all morning and will be back to do what they can this week (we may need more material)?¡
There¡¯s still some basic cleanup to do but we¡¯re just about ready for the first airplanes to come home!
The next big step is paving a taxiway from the apron on the NW end of the Museum hangar to the museum taxiway ¡ that is supposed to start late next week and should, if all goes according to plan, be ready for use about 2 weeks from now.
A few hours with friends, doing something really worthwhile, beats the heck out of going to car shows or flying jets (you KNOW who you are).
Thank you .. Thank you .. Thank?You, all who were there and all who have been there all along in this project. Your just showing up means a lot . . . a LOT.
-Alex and Mark
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Is anyone available tomorrow to give me a lift from 0A7 to KRKW? Arrow avionics are finally finished and it¡¯s ready for pickup.
Thanks,
Dan
401-447-0371
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The Last Hangar Door! Saturday Start 9:30-10
Gents, we're at the end! One door to go.
With all our newly-acquired ?expertise we should be able to knock this one out in under 3 hours. Plus Dan Field will have a place to put his airplane!
After cleanup and a new asphalt taxiway to connect the museum side of the hangar to the museum's taxiway, we'll have a really nice facility - better than before.
Hope to see you there . . . if you've been bringing tools, please bring them again. Most of the manpower effort will be early, leaving the hinges and bottom roller installation to a few. We might start the cleanup, breaking down shipping pallets, etc for the burn pile and collecting all the metal bits, screws, etc before our tires do.
Thank you again for tackling this project .. it's been a fun education.
All the best
alex
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I think somebody posted an airbrush rig they wanted to get rid of here some time back . .. try Darwin or one of the other model makers
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On Apr 23, 2025, at 7:51?PM, Mark Cigal via groups.io <mcigal38@...> wrote:
Greetings, ? Does anyone in our group have an airbrush setup and know how to use it ? I am in the process of selecting colors for our RV4 and I need someone to paint some sample coupons for me.
Mark
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Re: Thinking of painting your airplane? ¡ª General Aviation News
Or you can go unpainted like the new (touted) Slate EV pickup truck: An Interesting concept - I expect a lot of buyers will opt to DIY vinyl wrap and their own entertainment/navigation
On Fri, Apr 25, 2025 at 08:33 Timothy Higgins via <timothyahiggins= [email protected]> wrote:
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Beautiful workmanship.? Is that a urethane paint? ? It sure has depth.
Dennis
On Thu, Apr 24, 2025 at 7:24?PM David Erickson via <Davidgerickson66= [email protected]> wrote: P(urty, very)!
On Thu, Apr 24, 2025, 5:23 PM Timothy Higgins via <timothyahiggins= [email protected]> wrote: And P(ony) !
?
Nice.
If only. I'm just too cheap to pay someone when I can spend 10x the time, almost the same money, and learn to do it myself. This was the last thing I painted. Epoxy primer, spray filler (Evercoat product of some sort), gazillion hours sanding, surfacer, base, clear. Never really took any good pics of it before I sold?it unfortunately. Even did the engine, engine bay and interior. Switched it over to EFI and a 5 speed after spending way too long trying to fix?a?flawed?holley clone. These are all during the build and before I tweaked fitments and waxed it. I wanted to put a turbo on it but sold it before that happened.
On Thu, Apr 24, 2025 at 4:57?PM David Erickson via <Davidgerickson66= [email protected]> wrote: I"ll come by to watch and learn from the A & P &
P(aint) &
P(reservation) &
P(itot Tubes) &?
P(-lead, magneto) &
P(urge Air) &
P(ropellers)...
LOL
On Thu, Apr 24, 2025, 2:43 PM Jerry Marstall via <jerrylm1986= [email protected]> wrote: Mark, I believe you found your man. JM ? ? I have about a dozen spray guns for various?uses. Maybe more. You're welcome to use any of them or I can paint your coupons if David isn't available. I would not use an airbrush. The nozzle is too small to get good coverage and it won't lay down the paint the same as a bigger gun. If there is any metallic flake in the paint the airbrush may not even spray it. The TDS for your paint system will give a recommended nozzle size (1.3, 1.4, 1.8 or whatever). The gravity fed guns don't waste much paint (whatever sticks to the sides). If you're using a 2k paint you have to throw out whatever you catalyze regardless. You probably know this already but be sure to prep your coupons the same as you would the RV4 for final paint. Scuff, alodine, primer, whatever you plan on doing. Then follow the same paint schedule as in the TDS (coats, drying times, wet mils, etc). The base has a quite big effect especially on some of the less opaque colors (reds, oranges, yellows, even some whites). I'd also put a very slight bend in the coupons. There are rarely truly flat surfaces on a plane and a flat coupon can look different than a curved one,?especially with metallics. ? On Thu, Apr 24, 2025 at 12:47?PM David Erickson via <Davidgerickson66=[email protected]> wrote: OK, great, Mark. I'd be happy to help you spray it when you're ready. Best,
Dave ? On Thu, Apr 24, 2025, 12:14 PM Jerry Marstall via <jerrylm1986=[email protected]> wrote: ? ? Are you planning on attending the members meeting tonight at the museum ? If so we can talk about it. ? On Wed, Apr 23, 2025 at 8:12?PM Jerry Marstall via <jerrylm1986=[email protected]> wrote: I have the former. Not so much the latter. Willing to try. Jm ? ? Does anyone in our group have an airbrush setup and know how to use it ? I am in the process of selecting colors for our RV4 and I need someone to paint some sample coupons for me.
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On Thu, Apr 24, 2025, 5:23 PM Timothy Higgins via <timothyahiggins= [email protected]> wrote: And P(ony) !
?
Nice.
If only. I'm just too cheap to pay someone when I can spend 10x the time, almost the same money, and learn to do it myself. This was the last thing I painted. Epoxy primer, spray filler (Evercoat product of some sort), gazillion hours sanding, surfacer, base, clear. Never really took any good pics of it before I sold?it unfortunately. Even did the engine, engine bay and interior. Switched it over to EFI and a 5 speed after spending way too long trying to fix?a?flawed?holley clone. These are all during the build and before I tweaked fitments and waxed it. I wanted to put a turbo on it but sold it before that happened.
On Thu, Apr 24, 2025 at 4:57?PM David Erickson via <Davidgerickson66= [email protected]> wrote: I"ll come by to watch and learn from the A & P &
P(aint) &
P(reservation) &
P(itot Tubes) &?
P(-lead, magneto) &
P(urge Air) &
P(ropellers)...
LOL
On Thu, Apr 24, 2025, 2:43 PM Jerry Marstall via <jerrylm1986= [email protected]> wrote: Mark, I believe you found your man. JM ? ? I have about a dozen spray guns for various?uses. Maybe more. You're welcome to use any of them or I can paint your coupons if David isn't available. I would not use an airbrush. The nozzle is too small to get good coverage and it won't lay down the paint the same as a bigger gun. If there is any metallic flake in the paint the airbrush may not even spray it. The TDS for your paint system will give a recommended nozzle size (1.3, 1.4, 1.8 or whatever). The gravity fed guns don't waste much paint (whatever sticks to the sides). If you're using a 2k paint you have to throw out whatever you catalyze regardless. You probably know this already but be sure to prep your coupons the same as you would the RV4 for final paint. Scuff, alodine, primer, whatever you plan on doing. Then follow the same paint schedule as in the TDS (coats, drying times, wet mils, etc). The base has a quite big effect especially on some of the less opaque colors (reds, oranges, yellows, even some whites). I'd also put a very slight bend in the coupons. There are rarely truly flat surfaces on a plane and a flat coupon can look different than a curved one,?especially with metallics. ? On Thu, Apr 24, 2025 at 12:47?PM David Erickson via <Davidgerickson66=[email protected]> wrote: OK, great, Mark. I'd be happy to help you spray it when you're ready. Best,
Dave ? On Thu, Apr 24, 2025, 12:14 PM Jerry Marstall via <jerrylm1986=[email protected]> wrote: ? ? Are you planning on attending the members meeting tonight at the museum ? If so we can talk about it. ? On Wed, Apr 23, 2025 at 8:12?PM Jerry Marstall via <jerrylm1986=[email protected]> wrote: I have the former. Not so much the latter. Willing to try. Jm ? ? Does anyone in our group have an airbrush setup and know how to use it ? I am in the process of selecting colors for our RV4 and I need someone to paint some sample coupons for me.
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On Thu, Apr 24, 2025 at 4:37?PM Timothy Higgins via <timothyahiggins= [email protected]> wrote: Thanks!
Would you be going to the museum meeting tonight?? Nancy and I are going.??
Take care,
Tim H.
On Thu, Apr 24, 2025, 2:44?PM Dennis Carlson via <dennis.carlson.atgs= [email protected]> wrote: Tim,
Got ya covered.? I¡¯ll be at the hangar on Sat at 1000.
Dennis
On Thu, Apr 24, 2025 at 1:42?PM Timothy Higgins via <timothyahiggins= [email protected]> wrote: Would anyone have some decent quality Anti skid stuff with self adhesive properties???
I need two pieces for the steps, each one about 2x3 inches.
Take care,
Tim H.
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If only. I'm just too cheap to pay someone when I can spend 10x the time, almost the same money, and learn to do it myself. This was the last thing I painted. Epoxy primer, spray filler (Evercoat product of some sort), gazillion hours sanding, surfacer, base, clear. Never really took any good pics of it before I sold?it unfortunately. Even did the engine, engine bay and interior. Switched it over to EFI and a 5 speed after spending way too long trying to fix?a?flawed?holley clone. These are all during the build and before I tweaked fitments and waxed it. I wanted to put a turbo on it but sold it before that happened.
On Thu, Apr 24, 2025 at 4:57?PM David Erickson via <Davidgerickson66= [email protected]> wrote: I"ll come by to watch and learn from the A & P &
P(aint) &
P(reservation) &
P(itot Tubes) &?
P(-lead, magneto) &
P(urge Air) &
P(ropellers)...
LOL
On Thu, Apr 24, 2025, 2:43 PM Jerry Marstall via <jerrylm1986= [email protected]> wrote: Mark, I believe you found your man. JM ? ? I have about a dozen spray guns for various?uses. Maybe more. You're welcome to use any of them or I can paint your coupons if David isn't available. I would not use an airbrush. The nozzle is too small to get good coverage and it won't lay down the paint the same as a bigger gun. If there is any metallic flake in the paint the airbrush may not even spray it. The TDS for your paint system will give a recommended nozzle size (1.3, 1.4, 1.8 or whatever). The gravity fed guns don't waste much paint (whatever sticks to the sides). If you're using a 2k paint you have to throw out whatever you catalyze regardless. You probably know this already but be sure to prep your coupons the same as you would the RV4 for final paint. Scuff, alodine, primer, whatever you plan on doing. Then follow the same paint schedule as in the TDS (coats, drying times, wet mils, etc). The base has a quite big effect especially on some of the less opaque colors (reds, oranges, yellows, even some whites). I'd also put a very slight bend in the coupons. There are rarely truly flat surfaces on a plane and a flat coupon can look different than a curved one,?especially with metallics. ? On Thu, Apr 24, 2025 at 12:47?PM David Erickson via <Davidgerickson66=[email protected]> wrote: OK, great, Mark. I'd be happy to help you spray it when you're ready. Best,
Dave ? On Thu, Apr 24, 2025, 12:14 PM Jerry Marstall via <jerrylm1986=[email protected]> wrote: ? ? Are you planning on attending the members meeting tonight at the museum ? If so we can talk about it. ? On Wed, Apr 23, 2025 at 8:12?PM Jerry Marstall via <jerrylm1986=[email protected]> wrote: I have the former. Not so much the latter. Willing to try. Jm ? ? Does anyone in our group have an airbrush setup and know how to use it ? I am in the process of selecting colors for our RV4 and I need someone to paint some sample coupons for me.
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If only. I'm just too cheap to pay someone when I can spend 10x the time, almost the same money, and learn to do it myself. This was the last thing I painted. Epoxy primer, spray filler (Evercoat product of some sort), gazillion hours sanding, surfacer, base, clear. Never really took any good pics of it before I sold?it unfortunately. Even did the engine, engine bay and interior. Switched it over to EFI and a 5 speed after spending way too long trying to fix?a?flawed?holley clone. These are all during the build and before I tweaked fitments and waxed it. I wanted to put a turbo on it but sold it before that happened.
On Thu, Apr 24, 2025 at 4:57?PM David Erickson via <Davidgerickson66= [email protected]> wrote: I"ll come by to watch and learn from the A & P &
P(aint) &
P(reservation) &
P(itot Tubes) &?
P(-lead, magneto) &
P(urge Air) &
P(ropellers)...
LOL
On Thu, Apr 24, 2025, 2:43 PM Jerry Marstall via <jerrylm1986= [email protected]> wrote: Mark, I believe you found your man. JM ? ? I have about a dozen spray guns for various?uses. Maybe more. You're welcome to use any of them or I can paint your coupons if David isn't available. I would not use an airbrush. The nozzle is too small to get good coverage and it won't lay down the paint the same as a bigger gun. If there is any metallic flake in the paint the airbrush may not even spray it. The TDS for your paint system will give a recommended nozzle size (1.3, 1.4, 1.8 or whatever). The gravity fed guns don't waste much paint (whatever sticks to the sides). If you're using a 2k paint you have to throw out whatever you catalyze regardless. You probably know this already but be sure to prep your coupons the same as you would the RV4 for final paint. Scuff, alodine, primer, whatever you plan on doing. Then follow the same paint schedule as in the TDS (coats, drying times, wet mils, etc). The base has a quite big effect especially on some of the less opaque colors (reds, oranges, yellows, even some whites). I'd also put a very slight bend in the coupons. There are rarely truly flat surfaces on a plane and a flat coupon can look different than a curved one,?especially with metallics. ? On Thu, Apr 24, 2025 at 12:47?PM David Erickson via <Davidgerickson66=[email protected]> wrote: OK, great, Mark. I'd be happy to help you spray it when you're ready. Best,
Dave ? On Thu, Apr 24, 2025, 12:14 PM Jerry Marstall via <jerrylm1986=[email protected]> wrote: ? ? Are you planning on attending the members meeting tonight at the museum ? If so we can talk about it. ? On Wed, Apr 23, 2025 at 8:12?PM Jerry Marstall via <jerrylm1986=[email protected]> wrote: I have the former. Not so much the latter. Willing to try. Jm ? ? Does anyone in our group have an airbrush setup and know how to use it ? I am in the process of selecting colors for our RV4 and I need someone to paint some sample coupons for me.
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I"ll come by to watch and learn from the A & P &
P(aint) &
P(reservation) &
P(itot Tubes) &?
P(-lead, magneto) &
P(urge Air) &
P(ropellers)...
LOL
On Thu, Apr 24, 2025, 2:43 PM Jerry Marstall via <jerrylm1986= [email protected]> wrote: Mark, I believe you found your man. JM ? ? I have about a dozen spray guns for various?uses. Maybe more. You're welcome to use any of them or I can paint your coupons if David isn't available. I would not use an airbrush. The nozzle is too small to get good coverage and it won't lay down the paint the same as a bigger gun. If there is any metallic flake in the paint the airbrush may not even spray it. The TDS for your paint system will give a recommended nozzle size (1.3, 1.4, 1.8 or whatever). The gravity fed guns don't waste much paint (whatever sticks to the sides). If you're using a 2k paint you have to throw out whatever you catalyze regardless. You probably know this already but be sure to prep your coupons the same as you would the RV4 for final paint. Scuff, alodine, primer, whatever you plan on doing. Then follow the same paint schedule as in the TDS (coats, drying times, wet mils, etc). The base has a quite big effect especially on some of the less opaque colors (reds, oranges, yellows, even some whites). I'd also put a very slight bend in the coupons. There are rarely truly flat surfaces on a plane and a flat coupon can look different than a curved one,?especially with metallics. ? On Thu, Apr 24, 2025 at 12:47?PM David Erickson via <Davidgerickson66=[email protected]> wrote: OK, great, Mark. I'd be happy to help you spray it when you're ready. Best,
Dave ? On Thu, Apr 24, 2025, 12:14 PM Jerry Marstall via <jerrylm1986=[email protected]> wrote: ? ? Are you planning on attending the members meeting tonight at the museum ? If so we can talk about it. ? On Wed, Apr 23, 2025 at 8:12?PM Jerry Marstall via <jerrylm1986=[email protected]> wrote: I have the former. Not so much the latter. Willing to try. Jm ? ? Does anyone in our group have an airbrush setup and know how to use it ? I am in the process of selecting colors for our RV4 and I need someone to paint some sample coupons for me.
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Thanks!
Would you be going to the museum meeting tonight?? Nancy and I are going.??
Take care,
Tim H. On Thu, Apr 24, 2025, 2:44?PM Dennis Carlson via <dennis.carlson.atgs= [email protected]> wrote:
Tim,
Got ya covered.? I¡¯ll be at the hangar on Sat at 1000.
Dennis
On Thu, Apr 24, 2025 at 1:42?PM Timothy Higgins via <timothyahiggins= [email protected]> wrote: Would anyone have some decent quality Anti skid stuff with self adhesive properties???
I need two pieces for the steps, each one about 2x3 inches.
Take care,
Tim H.
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Mark Cigal
Timothy Higgins
George Heddy III
Alex Nelon