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Ah, finally some "traffic" on the A1G list!

It's good to hear that you are trying to complete an "accumulation" of the
first generation Atlas cars Edward. I did this about 4 (already THAT many years
ago) years ago via eBay.

I wanted them all because Atlas was what I started with in 1967 (Norfolk
Southern gondola first purchase) after 5 years of Lone-Star Treble-O-Lectric. I
was 15 at the time and was overwhelmed by the refinement compared to the
Treble-O stuff.

Now, the relative improvement in realism of the track, cars, locos, etc. are
considered rather crude by today's standards, but I still think they are
wonderful things.

Early on, on this list, I tried a quiz for members, which was to name the
three early packaging variations in the Atlas standard length (5") boxes, but got
no takers. Maybe now?

Also, it didn't take long to realize that there was a common European
manufacturer of Atlas, Minitrix, and some of AHM's cars..........Roco!

If you have any questions re these cars, please ask!

Regards,
Doug

PS, George has done a tremendous job on documenting these cars (except for
maybe indicating when the change was made from "bronze" colored wheels to
"black" hehe).

PPS, I hope George takes this in the good natured way it is meant.

I have recently began to accumulate some of the old Atlas freight
cars, passenger cars and motive power. I figured since many
collectors want the M-T cars, I would go for some of the older Atlas
stuff I see at every single swap meet I attend,which usually goes
for pretty cheap prices.

I would like to find some information on A1G motive power (please
email me offlist concerning A1G motive power). I have
looked over George Irwin's A1G freight car site and found it a very
valuable resource. I have a small but growing group of freight
cars. Some in boxes, some not. I have a few locomotives (steam and
diesel). I am particularly interested in freight cars and steam
power at this time.

I found that accumulating these old Atlas cars is much easier and
not as stressful as trying to keep up with the M-T cars. Besides,
preserving the heritage on N Scale is something that should be
done. Atlas has come a long way, but I actually like the older cars.

I hope I can help some fellow hobbyists find some of these old cars
as I am currently on a buying spree, building my "accumulation". I
will eventually have some surplus cars. I will list my surplus
wares here first, so others who are preserving these cars can fill
the holes in their fleet.

Edward Bridges
Unofficial Historian of the Crab Orchard & Egyptian Railroad
Former CO&E Employee: 1986-1987
Modeling the CO&E in N Scale: 1978-1982
Member of AustNtrak, Austin, TX
Granger, TX (formerly of Marion, IL)

Those of you who have been to the A1G website know that there is one
car that is technically missing from the scans is the Transfer
Caboose, catalog number 2274. That's because, at the time I
completed the A1G website work, I didn't have one.

What's made it difficult to locate one is that the later releases,
which have a different window configuration, were also sold under the
2274 catalog number. In addition, the later cars also tended to
appear in A1G sets, or at least the ones that have been sold on that
famous Internet Trading Community.

Well, I'm pleased to report that I have finally procured one of these
elusive little items, and as soon as I can get a scanner that speaks
Windows XP I will have it up for ya'll.

Meanwhile, to those of you who were wondering whether this group was
still active, yes, technically, it is, but "low volume of messages"
would be an understatement.

Cheers,
George

Just received the Sept/Oct 2002 issue of N Scale Railroading (or as I
call it, "Kirk's Magazine" after its publisher Kirk Reddie).

On the bottom of page 28 in the "Great Shots" section is a photo
taken on Paul Machiaverna's layout. Prominently featured is a
familiar car: CNJ 89224, an "A1G" gondola in black with white
lettering and "Miss Liberty" herald. It was catalog 2403 when
released as part of the A1G series. And there are still copies
kicking around as part of the Rivarossi/Arnold re-release program.

The only changes to the as-issued car are weathering, a load and
Micro-Trains trucks and couplers.

I'd say it holds up pretty well for a more than 30 year old car!

Cheers,
George

I just joined the group & wanted to say hello to everyone.
I was introduced to Atlas N scale in 1969 by my mother, who had seen
train sets at the local hobby shop.
As a school age boy, I didn't have room for much of a place to put my
trains except the top of my desk, so thanks to my mother, I had found
the answer. I mowed lawns & purchased my first Atlas train set for
$19.95, it was a C&NW E8, 2 cars, caboose, oval of track, &
transformer. And from there was the great beginnings of adventures in
N scale.
Today, my interests include;
1)Restoring Atlas steam locos & diesel locos back to running order,
2)Collecting old Atlas cars,
3)Collecting old Atlas catalogs,
4)Collecting old Atlas repair manuals, &
5)Sharing any info with other folks that love those Atlas trains.
I'd like to hear from some of the members who have an interest in
loco repair, I'm working on 2 0-8-0 steam locos at this time & also 3
E8 diesels.
Sorry I got so long winded, I was just excited to find this group.
Let me hear from some of you.
Happy Railroading;
Glenn Sanders
Ellisville, MS USA

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The upshot of this is that there will probably be restrictions on what
"free" groups will be able to do; i.e. message limits, archive size limits,
number of members that can be added limits, etc.

My intent is to shut down this list as soon as payment for it is required.
I've already had an offer for another host, but those of you who are on
this list and would like to see it continue should start thinking about
alternate venues.

I am most concerned about Bill Barr's N Scale list which will clearly be
impacted by any new restrictions. It will probably be "belly up to the
bar" for that sooner or later.

I can't say I didn't see this coming... and please, let's refrain from
business model discussions.

--Your list-owner

Hi George,
I'm sorry if I stepped over a little bit on the subject of The Freight Yard. It's just that these guys have been really good friends to me and I wouldn't want any bad rumours to hurt their bussiness. They do get some A1G cars from time to time as a lot of older Atlas/Kato and Kato engines that are out of production. I do want to go by the rules you set forth here on the A1G yahoogroup. I didn't think that was out of step by speaking of a subject that was railroad related. I guess I've been too much involved in the Atlas N-scale forum as you can speak of anything provided that it's railroad related. I need to remember that this site is for Atlas First Generation cars. While were on the subject of A1G, are their any passenger cars that fall into this group?
Once again, I do apollogize for breaking a rule and will keep to only A1G in the future.
Rick

From: George Irwin <gji@...>
Reply-To: a1g@...
To: a1g@...
Subject: Re: [a1g] Re: Hobby Stores
Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 11:33:34 -0400

Folks, reviews of various hobby stores are probably better suited to larger
venues on the 'net. I was recently at the Freight Yard and of interest for
this group is that they do handle consignments of N Scale, which might
occassionally include A1G equipment. I don't recall seeing any but that
doesn't mean it wasn't there.

--Your list-owner

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Rick,
Sorry, the intention wasn't to rekindle false rumours. There was a longish thread started by someone some time ago who was complaining about still not having received his locos back after more than six months and also no replies to his enquiries. During the whole discourse there was never any input from anybody to back up the dealer. And let's face it, there's no way I or anybody else will risk mail order dealing with any business after reading something like that about them, irrespective of whether the allegations are true or not. Unless I had personal experience with them that convinced me of the opposite.
So it's good to hear another side to the story! Especially in my case - I'm on another continent altogether, with no leverage at all if I should happen to run into a problem such as the one this guy was bitching about.
Regards,
André Kritzinger, Cape Town.
Converted from Horribly Oversized to Normal in 1978
Chessie System Model Railroad in N Scale, run on Digitrax DCC (Empire Builder I).
Visit our website, on which THE TRAINS HAVE FINALLY ARRIVED, at:


Message: 1
Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 02:08:27 -0700
From: "Rick Will" <f1f14@...>
Subject: Re: Re: A1G 3000 Series Pulpwood Flat Cars

Hi Andre',
That rumour about The Freight Yard simply isn't true. I've been going
there for a couple of years and also happen to be good friends with the
owners of the store. Nothing has ever been sent to the store that never got
back to it's owner. There are a lot of N-scale club members and N-scaler
themselfs who have commission work for custom runned engines and cars that
are very satisfied with the work. Some times they do get backlogged with
work but it does get done and returned to it's owner. They can have up to
five people working together painting, decaling and custom modifications
just to get the work out. Most Saturdays I'll spend most of the day there
helping out. These guys are on the up and up and are very honest when
dealing in bussiness. I've noticed on the internet especially, that
individuals like to spread bad information around coming mostly from people
from rival stores trying to bring down their competition. In a situation
like that, it's best to let your own eyes, ears and mind make the judgement
call, not someone who's degrading a person or bussiness who can't bring
forth any factual truth to back his story up. So please don't let someone
condem the store without checking it for yourself. But Andre', I can assure
you that this is a honest bussiness, check it out for yourself.
Rick

Folks, reviews of various hobby stores are probably better suited to larger
venues on the 'net. I was recently at the Freight Yard and of interest for
this group is that they do handle consignments of N Scale, which might
occassionally include A1G equipment. I don't recall seeing any but that
doesn't mean it wasn't there.

--Your list-owner

Hi Andre',
That rumour about The Freight Yard simply isn't true. I've been going there for a couple of years and also happen to be good friends with the owners of the store. Nothing has ever been sent to the store that never got back to it's owner. There are a lot of N-scale club members and N-scaler themselfs who have commission work for custom runned engines and cars that are very satisfied with the work. Some times they do get backlogged with work but it does get done and returned to it's owner. They can have up to five people working together painting, decaling and custom modifications just to get the work out. Most Saturdays I'll spend most of the day there helping out. These guys are on the up and up and are very honest when dealing in bussiness. I've noticed on the internet especially, that individuals like to spread bad information around coming mostly from people from rival stores trying to bring down their competition. In a situation like that, it's best to let your own eyes, ears and mind make the judgement call, not someone who's degrading a person or bussiness who can't bring forth any factual truth to back his story up. So please don't let someone condem the store without checking it for yourself. But Andre', I can assure you that this is a honest bussiness, check it out for yourself.
Rick

From: Col Andr? Kritzinger <grela@...>
Reply-To: a1g@...
To: <a1g@...>
Subject: [a1g] Re: A1G 3000 Series Pulpwood Flat Cars
Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 22:27:57 +0200

Rick,
Thanks. In my case, rather let me have an email address - phoning from here is generally not very budget-friendly.
The Freightyard? Isn't that the place that there was a lot of unhappiness about on one of the N scale lists a while ago? Something about locos sent for custom decorating and never returned, and zero communication?
Regards,
Andr? Kritzinger, Cape Town.
Converted from Horribly Oversized to Normal in 1978
Chessie System Model Railroad in N Scale, run on Digitrax DCC (Empire Builder I).
Visit our website, on which THE TRAINS HAVE FINALLY ARRIVED, at:


Message: 1
Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 01:53:17 -0700
From: "Rick Will" <f1f14@...>
Subject: Re: A1G 3000 Series Pulpwood Flat Cars

Sorry for the delay,
I've been trying to reach my friend Jeff by e-mail about the availability
of A1G cars he might have for sale. Apparently, his computer has gotten a
virus and he's working on getting the bugger out. I hope to see him this
weekend and I'll ask if it's ok with him to post his phone number for anyone
who might be interested in calling for some cars. Also, if anyone is
interested in any other N-scale items, go to
www.thefreightyard.com and checkout the site. This is a store here in
Anaheim that specializes in N-scale only. They do custom runs of both
engines and freight cars plus they have a section of the store called Dream
Design. This is were you can design your own painting and decaling plus most
any kind of features you would like on your engine(s). Example EMD SD90 in
NYC road scheme with ditch lights and flashing becon. This would be a dream
design because NYC never had any SD90's as the company became part of
Conrail in the late 60's/early 70's. You can also come up with your own
paint scheme and they can design decals if nothing is availabile on the
market. This works on freight car runs too. check the site out when you have
the chance.
Rick

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Rick,
Thanks. In my case, rather let me have an email address - phoning from here is generally not very budget-friendly.
The Freightyard? Isn't that the place that there was a lot of unhappiness about on one of the N scale lists a while ago? Something about locos sent for custom decorating and never returned, and zero communication?
Regards,
André Kritzinger, Cape Town.
Converted from Horribly Oversized to Normal in 1978
Chessie System Model Railroad in N Scale, run on Digitrax DCC (Empire Builder I).
Visit our website, on which THE TRAINS HAVE FINALLY ARRIVED, at:


Message: 1
Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 01:53:17 -0700
From: "Rick Will" <f1f14@...>
Subject: Re: A1G 3000 Series Pulpwood Flat Cars

Sorry for the delay,
I've been trying to reach my friend Jeff by e-mail about the availability
of A1G cars he might have for sale. Apparently, his computer has gotten a
virus and he's working on getting the bugger out. I hope to see him this
weekend and I'll ask if it's ok with him to post his phone number for anyone
who might be interested in calling for some cars. Also, if anyone is
interested in any other N-scale items, go to
www.thefreightyard.com and checkout the site. This is a store here in
Anaheim that specializes in N-scale only. They do custom runs of both
engines and freight cars plus they have a section of the store called Dream
Design. This is were you can design your own painting and decaling plus most
any kind of features you would like on your engine(s). Example EMD SD90 in
NYC road scheme with ditch lights and flashing becon. This would be a dream
design because NYC never had any SD90's as the company became part of
Conrail in the late 60's/early 70's. You can also come up with your own
paint scheme and they can design decals if nothing is availabile on the
market. This works on freight car runs too. check the site out when you have
the chance.
Rick


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Sorry for the delay,
I've been trying to reach my friend Jeff by e-mail about the availability of A1G cars he might have for sale. Apparently, his computer has gotten a virus and he's working on getting the bugger out. I hope to see him this weekend and I'll ask if it's ok with him to post his phone number for anyone who might be interested in calling for some cars. Also, if anyone is interested in any other N-scale items, go to
www.thefreightyard.com and checkout the site. This is a store here in Anaheim that specializes in N-scale only. They do custom runs of both engines and freight cars plus they have a section of the store called Dream Design. This is were you can design your own painting and decaling plus most any kind of features you would like on your engine(s). Example EMD SD90 in NYC road scheme with ditch lights and flashing becon. This would be a dream design because NYC never had any SD90's as the company became part of Conrail in the late 60's/early 70's. You can also come up with your own paint scheme and they can design decals if nothing is availabile on the market. This works on freight car runs too. check the site out when you have the chance.
Rick

From: Col Andr? Kritzinger <grela@...>
Reply-To: a1g@...
To: <a1g@...>
Subject: [a1g] A1G 3000 Series Pulpwood Flat Cars
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 19:33:18 +0200

John,
Thanks for the offer. The cars I'm looking for are the following, as shown on George Irwin's pages at

Catalog # Popup
Image Reporting
Marks Description AV
AM AV
MIB
3001 Image N&W 32850 Blue/White 6-8 7-10
3002 Image L&N 225875 Blue/White 6-8 7-10
3003 Image WM 756 Tuscan Red/White 6-8 7-10
3004 Image D&RGW 22846 Black/White 6-8 7-10


I have the Western Maryland one, but I'll even take another one if I can find it and alter the number. For WM it's a fictional car anyway, according to George, but it's still a nice looking car, especially considering its age.
Regards,
Andr? Kritzinger, Cape Town.
Converted from Horribly Oversized to Normal in 1978
Chessie System Model Railroad in N Scale, run on Digitrax DCC (Empire Builder I).
Visit our website, on which THE TRAINS HAVE FINALLY ARRIVED, at:


Message: 2
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 19:48:02 -0400
From: john.berger@...
Subject: Re: Re: A1G 3000 Series Pulpwood Flat Cars

Colonel .. send me your list of what you want .. I can keep my eyes open ...

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John,
Thanks for the offer. The cars I'm looking for are the following, as shown on George Irwin's pages at

Catalog # Popup
Image Reporting
Marks Description AV
AM AV
MIB
3001 Image N&W 32850 Blue/White 6-8 7-10
3002 Image L&N 225875 Blue/White 6-8 7-10
3003 Image WM 756 Tuscan Red/White 6-8 7-10
3004 Image D&RGW 22846 Black/White 6-8 7-10


I have the Western Maryland one, but I'll even take another one if I can find it and alter the number. For WM it's a fictional car anyway, according to George, but it's still a nice looking car, especially considering its age.
Regards,
André Kritzinger, Cape Town.
Converted from Horribly Oversized to Normal in 1978
Chessie System Model Railroad in N Scale, run on Digitrax DCC (Empire Builder I).
Visit our website, on which THE TRAINS HAVE FINALLY ARRIVED, at:


Message: 2
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 19:48:02 -0400
From: john.berger@...
Subject: Re: Re: A1G 3000 Series Pulpwood Flat Cars

Colonel .. send me your list of what you want .. I can keep my eyes open ...


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Colonel .. send me your list of what you want .. I can keep my eyes open ...



On 29 Apr 2002 at 1:18, Col André Kritzinger wrote:

Doug & Rick,
Thanks! I've seen some of these cars on eBay from time to time
but each time the bidding always went higher than the limit I set
for myself, or else the listing was by someone who refuses to ship
outside of the USA for reasons I cannot really fathom. So Rick,
please let me have your friend's email address. Regards,
André Kritzinger, Cape Town.
Converted from Horribly Oversized to Normal in 1978
Chessie System Model Railroad in N Scale, run on Digitrax DCC (Empire
Builder I). Visit our website, on which THE TRAINS HAVE FINALLY
ARRIVED, at:
Message: 3
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 04:35:13 -0700
From: "Rick Will" <f1f14@...>
Subject: Re: A1G 3000 Series Pulpwood Flat Cars

Hi Andre',
One of the best places for me to find A1G cars are at a model
railroad
swapmeet (AKA- GATS or private show). I can usually find these at a
good, reasonable price without having to go to places like ebay. I
have a friend here who part of a N track group (Orange County
N-gineers) who buys stuff up and sells at swapmeets plus will sell
direct to the customer via mail system. If anyone's interested, just
give me a howler and I'll give you his e-mail address. You can
contact him on what your looking for in A1G and go from there. You
can give him a list of what your looking for and he can contact you
if he should run across what your looking for it by chance he
doesn't have it on hand.


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Doug & Rick,
Thanks! I've seen some of these cars on eBay from time to time but each time the bidding always went higher than the limit I set for myself, or else the listing was by someone who refuses to ship outside of the USA for reasons I cannot really fathom. So Rick, please let me have your friend's email address.
Regards,
André Kritzinger, Cape Town.
Converted from Horribly Oversized to Normal in 1978
Chessie System Model Railroad in N Scale, run on Digitrax DCC (Empire Builder I).
Visit our website, on which THE TRAINS HAVE FINALLY ARRIVED, at:

Message: 3
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 04:35:13 -0700
From: "Rick Will" <f1f14@...>
Subject: Re: A1G 3000 Series Pulpwood Flat Cars

Hi Andre',
One of the best places for me to find A1G cars are at a model railroad
swapmeet (AKA- GATS or private show). I can usually find these at a good,
reasonable price without having to go to places like ebay. I have a friend
here who part of a N track group (Orange County N-gineers) who buys stuff up
and sells at swapmeets plus will sell direct to the customer via mail
system. If anyone's interested, just give me a howler and I'll give you his
e-mail address. You can contact him on what your looking for in A1G and go
from there. You can give him a list of what your looking for and he can
contact you if he should run across what your looking for it by chance he
doesn't have it on hand.

Hi Andre',
One of the best places for me to find A1G cars are at a model railroad swapmeet (AKA- GATS or private show). I can usually find these at a good, reasonable price without having to go to places like ebay. I have a friend here who part of a N track group (Orange County N-gineers) who buys stuff up and sells at swapmeets plus will sell direct to the customer via mail system. If anyone's interested, just give me a howler and I'll give you his e-mail address. You can contact him on what your looking for in A1G and go from there. You can give him a list of what your looking for and he can contact you if he should run across what your looking for it by chance he doesn't have it on hand.

From: Col Andr? Kritzinger <grela@...>
Reply-To: a1g@...
To: <a1g@...>
Subject: [a1g] A1G 3000 Series Pulpwood Flat Cars
Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 23:00:26 +0200

Howzit All,
This list is awfully quiet, so maybe it's time I post something just to see if anybody is still out there! <g>
I have one of the A1G 3000 series pulpwood flat cars (#3003, WM 756) and I've been looking for the other cars in the set for years now, without success.
Anybody have some of these for sale? I don't need MIB, since I only have runners and I'll therefore be replacing the couplers and wheels anyway. Same for the plastic logs - twigs from the white stinkwood trees in my garden make a much better looking load.
Regards,
Andr? Kritzinger, Cape Town.
Converted from Horribly Oversized to Normal in 1978
Chessie System Model Railroad in N Scale, run on Digitrax DCC (Empire Builder I).
Visit our website, on which THE TRAINS HAVE FINALLY ARRIVED, at:

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Howzit All,
This list is awfully quiet, so maybe it's time I post something just to see if anybody is still out there! <g>
I have one of the A1G 3000 series pulpwood flat cars (#3003, WM 756) and I've been looking for the other cars in the set for years now, without success.
Anybody have some of these for sale? I don't need MIB, since I only have runners and I'll therefore be replacing the couplers and wheels anyway. Same for the plastic logs - twigs from the white stinkwood trees in my garden make a much better looking load.
Regards,
André Kritzinger, Cape Town.
Converted from Horribly Oversized to Normal in 1978
Chessie System Model Railroad in N Scale, run on Digitrax DCC (Empire Builder I).
Visit our website, on which THE TRAINS HAVE FINALLY ARRIVED, at:

Hi Everybody,

This is in response to Andre's post about the 3000 series "60' Bulkhead Log
Flat" as Atlas called them. I decided to reply to the list rather than just
to him because, as he stated, the list is awfully quiet.

I collected all four of the cars bidding on eBay. I realize that I probably
paid too much for some of them but it's only money right? This was about 2
1/2 years ago and I haven't really been looking at eBay too much lately so I
don't know what the current situation is on there for these cars right now.

But, I believe eBay is probably your best bet, Andre. Things usually
repeatedly show up on there from time to time.

Regards,
Doug Gosha

Not like this is going to have a big impact, given the current traffic
volumes... :-(

The Yahoo! Groups service will be down Friday March 15 9:00 PM PST
(GMT-8) as we move our servers to a new facility. We expect the
service to be back up the morning of Sunday March 17.

I wouldn't expect "promptly" on the 17th, either...

--Your list-owner

On 11 Feb, George Irwin wrote:

I went to type in the new Micro-Trains ATSF DC flat car into my
accumulation database (I got a freebie from MTL for my help with the car--
wish I could remember what I sent them!) only to find that there already
<was> an entry for "ATSF 90000".

Anybody know what it was...?

Well... it was the A1G "piggyback" flat car with two trailers, catalog
number 2352. I guess we can declare that un-prototypical...

Hey, at least it was a flatcar! That's better than some
manufacturers would get.

Sooo, you gonna renumber one of them? Which one? ;-)

Dennis