Re: DST issue in calculating local time?
Hristo,
Strange indeed. I get the eclipse event (closer to the horizon), but not the second event an hour later (would be higher).
any ideas of what to check in the configuration?
V
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Re: DST issue in calculating local time?
Hi Vince,
> My feed only received the Europa eclipses Io event and didn't show the occultation event at 1429UT.
You should have received both events. I just want to be sure that there is no problem with OW itself. Do you have an explanation of why only one of the two events is shown (e.g. altitude too low or something else)?
Hristo.
On Thursday, February 25, 2021, 5:33:15 AM GMT+11, V Sempronio <vastronomy@...> wrote:
Hristo,
Now we have all the info we need. My feed only received the Europa eclipses Io event and didn't show the occultation event at 1429UT.?
Software like Stellarium can simulate the occultation (the two satellites merge) but don't simulate the eclipses of the satellites. Since the two events were almost exactly 1 hour apart, I made the false assumption that there was only one event, off by 1 hour. I also hadn't tried the mutual eclipse/occ feature of Occult. Now that I have seen it, it has indeed solve the mystery.
So, there isn't any problems with Occult, it was user error!
Regards,
Vince
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Re: DST issue in calculating local time?
Hristo,
Now we have all the info we need. My feed only received the Europa eclipses Io event and didn't show the occultation event at 1429UT.?
Software like Stellarium can simulate the occultation (the two satellites merge) but don't simulate the eclipses of the satellites. Since the two events were almost exactly 1 hour apart, I made the false assumption that there was only one event, off by 1 hour. I also hadn't tried the mutual eclipse/occ feature of Occult. Now that I have seen it, it has indeed solve the mystery.
So, there isn't any problems with Occult, it was user error!
Regards,
Vince
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Re: DST issue in calculating local time?
Hi Vince,
I compute the Planet Satellites events using Occult and then upload them as an OW feed. There may be some error in the process but I need to know which event you are referring to.
There are two events on 5 March. One at 13:29 UT (Europa eclipsing Io) and the second one at 14:29 UT (Europa occulting Io)
Which one of the two you are referring to? Do you see both of them in OW?
On Wednesday, February 24, 2021, 5:12:24 PM GMT+11, V Sempronio <vastronomy@...> wrote:
I think this is no longer a PC / time zone issue. Other apps have verified that the predicted time of the event is 1429UT and the feed in Occult Watcher predicts 1329UT.
Is the author of that Planet Satellite feed in this thread?
Vince
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Re: DST issue in calculating local time?
I think this is no longer a PC / time zone issue. Other apps have verified that the predicted time of the event is 1429UT and the feed in Occult Watcher predicts 1329UT.
Is the author of that Planet Satellite feed in this thread?
Vince
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Re: DST issue in calculating local time?
SkySafari on iPad has event at 1429UT.
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Re: DST issue in calculating local time?
Hi Vince,
OW uses your computer's time zone to compute event times in regards to time zones and DST. If you are running OW on Windows then make sure your Windows timezone is your Arizona timezone.
If you are running OW on a Mac - then I don't know how the timezone information is provided from the Mac to the Windows VM but again OW event times will be always following the configured time zone in Windows.
Hope this helps.
Hristo.
On Wednesday, February 24, 2021, 6:50:11 AM GMT+11, V Sempronio <vastronomy@...> wrote:
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I'm in Arizona, USA which doesn't follow DST. I was looking at the Europa/Io event on March 5th and the software provides a local time for the event of 6:29am. I loaded up Stellarium to see the big picture and the event doesn't appear to take place till 7:29am local time.In Stellarium I have my time zone set to Phoenix (mountain time) and have disabled DST, and since I haven't noticed any issues before, I believe Stellarium is configured correctly. Is there a setting in Occult Watcher I might have missed regarding DST? Oh, a couple more pieces of evidence. I have a couple of additional planet satellite events, one on 17Mar and the other on 29Mar. These two events agree with what Stellarium shows. DST doesn't kick in until the morning of 7Mar, so the first event on the 5th is before DST while the other two events are after DST is "on". Vince
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Re: DST issue in calculating local time?
I looked for the 5Mar2021 1329UT on an android app called "Moons of Jupiter".
It concurs with Stellarium that the event takes place at 1429UT rather than 1329UT.
I'm using Stellarium on a Win10 Laptop, BTW.
could someone else verify the time of the event using another program/app ?
The sky and telescope jupiter and moon app concurs with the 1429UT time.
Edit: correct times from 39m to 29m and added the S&T Interactive jupiter time as well.
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Re: DST issue in calculating local time?
I am now showing UT time as well and the time between local and UT doesn't change for events before/after when DST should be active.
I am now thinking it is a issue between Stellarium and the system time on my PC. I'll keep at it till I figure it out.
Thanks!
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Re: DST issue in calculating local time?
Since we're doing astronomical observations it would save confusion if
all times in the results were in UTC. If necessary the observer could
convert them to local time. We have it much simpler in Europe, there are
not so many timezones, no local differences and everybody changes to
summer/winter time at the same time. There's even talk of having a
single timezone, but the countries can't agree on which one to choose.?
DST was introduced because people thought it would save energy, but the
actual saving is very small, at the cost of a lot of confusion,
especially in timetables
Best wishes, Jerry (UTC+1)
Am 23.02.2021 um 21:21 schrieb TriAstro:
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I'm in Arizona, USA which doesn't follow DST.
I was looking at the Europa/Io event on March 5th and the software
provides a local time for the event of 6:29am.
I loaded up Stellarium to see the big picture and the event doesn't
appear to take place till 7:29am local time.In Stellarium I have my
time zone set to Phoenix (mountain time) and have disabled DST, and
since I haven't noticed any issues before, I believe Stellarium is
configured correctly.
Is there a setting in Occult Watcher I might have missed regarding DST?
Oh, a couple more pieces of evidence.
I have a couple of additional planet satellite events, one on 17Mar
and the other on 29Mar. These two events agree with what Stellarium shows.
DST doesn't kick in until the morning of 7Mar, so the first event on
the 5th is before DST while the other two events are after DST is "on".
Vince
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Re: DST issue in calculating local time?
Vince, ? I live in Arizona too.? I do not see any problems with the ¡®local time¡¯ that OccultWatcher produces.? I keep two columns up in OccultWatcher, one for UT and one for Local Time.? Both before and after the dates that you report are the transition to DST, OccultWatcher shows a 7-hour differential between UT and Local Time.? I can not find a problem.? Also, I could not find a place in OccultWatcher to set the time zone of DST.? Even the site files don¡¯t seem to allow for those settings. ? Tony George Scottsdale, AZ ?
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Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2021 12:41 PM
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Subject: [OccultWatcher] DST issue in calculating local time?? [Edited Message Follows] I'm in Arizona, USA which doesn't follow DST.
I was looking at the Europa/Io event on March 5th and the software provides a local time for the event of 6:29am.
I loaded up Stellarium to see the big picture and the event doesn't appear to take place till 7:29am local time.In Stellarium I have my time zone set to Phoenix (mountain time) and have disabled DST, and since I haven't noticed any issues before, I believe Stellarium is configured correctly.
Is there a setting in Occult Watcher I might have missed regarding DST?
Oh, a couple more pieces of evidence.
I have a couple of additional planet satellite events, one on 17Mar and the other on 29Mar. These two events agree with what Stellarium shows.
DST doesn't kick in until the morning of 7Mar, so the first event on the 5th is before DST while the other two events are after DST is "on".
Vince
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DST issue in calculating local time?
I'm in Arizona, USA which doesn't follow DST.
I was looking at the Europa/Io event on March 5th and the software provides a local time for the event of 6:29am.
I loaded up Stellarium to see the big picture and the event doesn't appear to take place till 7:29am local time.In Stellarium I have my time zone set to Phoenix (mountain time) and have disabled DST, and since I haven't noticed any issues before, I believe Stellarium is configured correctly.
Is there a setting in Occult Watcher I might have missed regarding DST?
Oh, a couple more pieces of evidence.
I have a couple of additional planet satellite events, one on 17Mar and the other on 29Mar. These two events agree with what Stellarium shows.
DST doesn't kick in until the morning of 7Mar, so the first event on the 5th is before DST while the other two events are after DST is "on".
Vince
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Hi Ted,
Generally it should be working fine - there is nothing special about installation on a second computer.
Can you confirm that on your second computer your account has been configured correctly i.e. when you go to Configuration -> Observation Planner you don't see an error but rather you see the number of users and stations in blue text.
I tested that the server is working okay (just now) i.e. it is returning planned observations so this does not seem to be a server issue.
Would you be able to collect a DebugView log file and send it for me to investigate further:
Hristo.
On Monday, February 8, 2021, 11:46:32 PM GMT+2, Ted Blank <tedblank@...> wrote:
On one of my computers, I see many events from the feed named OWEvents.? On a second? computer with the same login for Observation planner, I don't see any events from this feed.
Both computers have the "Accept Personal" and "Accept LinOccult" options checked in the Properties settings for "Planned Observations (Global)".
Does anyone have a solution for getting the OWEvents events to show up on the second machine?? Both are Win10 machines, one a laptop and one an Intel NUC.
Thanks. Ted B.
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On one of my computers, I see many events from the feed named OWEvents.? On a second? computer with the same login for Observation planner, I don't see any events from this feed.
Both computers have the "Accept Personal" and "Accept LinOccult" options checked in the Properties settings for "Planned Observations (Global)".
Does anyone have a solution for getting the OWEvents events to show up on the second machine?? Both are Win10 machines, one a laptop and one an Intel NUC.
Thanks. Ted B.
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Re: Possible problem with update
Hi Hristo,
I have now run OWUpdate as you described but on the complete
backup folder.? This has now updated as far as i can tell.
All good now - Thanks
Tim
On 21/01/2021 15:18, hristo_dpavlov via
groups.io wrote:
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Hi Tim,
Try a manual update by:
- Stopping OccultWatcher
- Right click OWUpdate.exe
and choose 'Run as administrator'
Let me know if this works.
Hristo.
P.S. There is also a
possibility for an update problem if your version of OW is
quite old, but I didn't get the impression that this was the
case.
Hi Histro,
I updated and then OW would not launch. I attempted to fix
the missing files (as per my previous message) but this
time the update exe? opened (as admin), attemped to
complete, but failed.? The update file is then deleted
somehow. The Log file shows that the folder is protected
some how:
00000056 302.88967896 [8840]
System.UnauthorizedAccessException: Access to the path
'C:\Astro\OccultWatcher\OWUpdate.exe' is denied.
00000057 302.88967896 [8840]?
? at System.IO.__Error.WinIOError(Int32 errorCode,
String maybeFullPath)
00000058 302.88967896 [8840]?
? at System.IO.File.InternalCopy(String sourceFileName,
String destFileName, Boolean overwrite, Boolean
checkHost)
00000059 302.88967896 [8840]?
? at System.IO.File.Copy(String sourceFileName, String
destFileName)
00000060 302.88967896 [8840]?
? at OWSelfUpdate.Program.Main(String[] args)?
I have taken a copy of the folder from a backup disk,
and this works OK,? It says there is an update, I wont
do this just yet,
I tried update with AV live scan OFF, and Firewall
OFF. but still unable for update to do its job.
Is there a fix?
Thanks
Tim
(W7)
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Re: Possible problem with update
Hi Tim,
Try a manual update by:
- Stopping OccultWatcher - Right click OWUpdate.exe and choose 'Run as administrator'
Let me know if this works.
Hristo.
P.S. There is also a possibility for an update problem if your version of OW is quite old, but I didn't get the impression that this was the case.
On Thursday, January 21, 2021, 12:19:58 PM GMT+2, Tim Haymes via groups.io <tvh.observatory@...> wrote:
Hi Histro, I updated and then OW would not launch. I attempted to fix the missing files (as per my previous message) but this time the update exe? opened (as admin), attemped to complete, but failed.? The update file is then deleted somehow. The Log file shows that the folder is protected some how:
00000056 302.88967896 [8840] System.UnauthorizedAccessException: Access to the path 'C:\Astro\OccultWatcher\OWUpdate.exe' is denied.
00000057 302.88967896 [8840]? ? at System.IO.__Error.WinIOError(Int32 errorCode, String maybeFullPath)
00000058 302.88967896 [8840]? ? at System.IO.File.InternalCopy(String sourceFileName, String destFileName, Boolean overwrite, Boolean checkHost)
00000059 302.88967896 [8840]? ? at System.IO.File.Copy(String sourceFileName, String destFileName)
00000060 302.88967896 [8840]? ? at OWSelfUpdate.Program.Main(String[] args)?
I have taken a copy of the folder from a backup disk, and this works OK,? It says there is an update, I wont do this just yet,
I tried update with AV live scan OFF, and Firewall OFF. but still unable for update to do its job.
Is there a fix?
Thanks
Tim
(W7)
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Possible problem with update
Hi Histro, I updated and then OW would not launch. I attempted to fix the missing files (as per my previous message) but this time the update exe? opened (as admin), attemped to complete, but failed.? The update file is then deleted somehow. The Log file shows that the folder is protected some how:
00000056 302.88967896 [8840] System.UnauthorizedAccessException: Access to the path 'C:\Astro\OccultWatcher\OWUpdate.exe' is denied.
00000057 302.88967896 [8840]? ? at System.IO.__Error.WinIOError(Int32 errorCode, String maybeFullPath)
00000058 302.88967896 [8840]? ? at System.IO.File.InternalCopy(String sourceFileName, String destFileName, Boolean overwrite, Boolean checkHost)
00000059 302.88967896 [8840]? ? at System.IO.File.Copy(String sourceFileName, String destFileName)
00000060 302.88967896 [8840]? ? at OWSelfUpdate.Program.Main(String[] args)?
I have taken a copy of the folder from a backup disk, and this works OK,? It says there is an update, I wont do this just yet,
I tried update with AV live scan OFF, and Firewall OFF. but still unable for update to do its job.
Is there a fix?
Thanks
Tim
(W7)
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Re: Duplicate entries in "My Events"
I think I found the problem. I somehow managed to put two stations in so I deleted both entries and start it over and it seems to be working fine now.
On Fri, Jan 8, 2021, 9:56 AM hristo_dpavlov via <hristo_dpavlov= [email protected]> wrote:
Hello unknown writer,
I can see a single event on the server: C/2020 M3 (ATLA) Occulting UCAC4690036759 on 13 Jan 2021, as a submission by "Rick Frankenberger", with currently two stations:
"Cobble K Home" "Sempronio V"
From your description looks like this may be a bug in client side Desktop OW.
Can you please log it here with all relevant details, including a screenshot:
Thanks, Hristo.
I'm seeing a duplicate entry in the "My Events" list.
It is the Jan 13 C/2020 M3 event.
I don't think it was duplicated in the comet list, but I added it to my list from the? planned observation list prior to adding the comet prediction feed to my configuration.
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Re: Duplicate entries in "My Events"
Hello unknown writer,
I can see a single event on the server: C/2020 M3 (ATLA) Occulting UCAC4690036759 on 13 Jan 2021, as a submission by "Rick Frankenberger", with currently two stations:
"Cobble K Home" "Sempronio V"
From your description looks like this may be a bug in client side Desktop OW.
Can you please log it here with all relevant details, including a screenshot:
Thanks, Hristo.
On Friday, January 8, 2021, 6:42:09 PM GMT+2, vastronomy@... <vastronomy@...> wrote:
I'm seeing a duplicate entry in the "My Events" list.
It is the Jan 13 C/2020 M3 event.
I don't think it was duplicated in the comet list, but I added it to my list from the? planned observation list prior to adding the comet prediction feed to my configuration.
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Re: Duplicate entries in "My Events"
Yes, I realized the same in one comet event 3 weeks ago. I am not sure
but could be even the same comet.
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El 08/01/2021 a las 16:58, vastronomy@... escribi¨®: I'm seeing a duplicate entry in the "My Events" list.
It is the Jan 13 C/2020 M3 event.
I don't think it was duplicated in the comet list, but I added it to
my list from the? planned observation list prior to adding the comet
prediction feed to my configuration.
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V Sempronio
Tim Haymes
Carlos Perell¨®