Why not belive him?
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I did photography professionally / as a business for most of my life.? (Retired now.)? My university degree is in journalism.? (Yes, there were times in my life where my primary income was from other work, but I always did some freelance journalism and photography during that time.)
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I made a decision early on that the most important thing I could develop with the contacts I had in the railroad industry was trust.? I was able to access many railroad facilities in the U.S. and Europe and spent many hours riding on locomotives -- always with permission.? I learned a lot about railroads and, as far as I know, there were never any complaints about my behavior on railroad property.
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I put a great value on my reputation as someone who could be trusted not to cause problems -- and in many cases, the railroads returned that trust.? It's not that I never wrote anything critical of railroads, but that was separate from my dealings with those who provided me access.? (I particularly made sure that I would not distract operating crews or interfere with operations.)
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I could write an entire essay on the issue of developing trust with the people that I dealt with and give dozens of examples of how that trust worked out.? I even had cases where railroad special agents (whom I got to know through my involvement with Operation Lifesaver) went out of their way to help me out on projects.
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I do not recall any instance where trespassing would have gotten me a photo that I could not have made without doing so.
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Ernest H. Robl -- Durham, NC, USA -- Photojournalism; writing, books.
Covering travel & transportation for 45+ years. Now mostly retired!
-----Original Message----- From: < [email protected]> Sent: Oct 20, 2022 7:37 PM To: < [email protected]> Subject: Re: [ObservationCar] about Justin Franz
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"Never trespass and be careful"
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Sure..... I believe him :)
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Steve, I would disagree.? This past Sunday, I was out with a friend and we had a discussion about railroad photography, specifically about not posting any photography where it is evident that there is a rules violation.?? (We were chasing
a branch movement and the ditch lights were not on.) That is hardly the first discussion on that topic.
My own rule is not photographing crewmen getting on or off equipment, as another example.
Asking permission is another.
I do not know about drone rules, though -- I do not own one.
Dave
Amesbury MA USA
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"Never trespass and be careful"
Sure..... I believe him :)
BTW - Drones are trespassing, in this country (Canada) when you are flying them over rail yards.. drones are probably the worst offenders for rules violations...
But then again, photographers don't care as long as the shot is in hand :) Drones are probably? among the worst offenders these days given you can fly in, and out of many places , including private infrastructure
and airspace without being detected (so far, that's also subject to change).
- Steve
On 10/20/2022 4:34 PM, Dave Saums wrote:
Phil, thanks?for posting this and for pointing to the comments section.? This was really enjoyable to see -- although some of the comments leave a little to be desired.
I can understand that someone in the UK would find Montana or Idaho or the Columbia River Gorge to be a bit challenging, from a shadow perspective, not having normally to deal with very high geographic features.
Looks like I will have an opportunity to ride to a relatively high point with very high trestles and vertical drops in the White Mountains in New Hampshire on Sunday -- have to be prepared for snow, though.? One never knows what to expect at this time of year.
Regards,
Dave.
Dave Saums???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Mountains-of-the-Sky Photography, Amesbury MA?? 01913 USA
Email:? ?dsaums@...??????????????
Tel:??978?479 7474?????????????
Editor, Rutland Railroad Historical?Society "Newsliner" Quarterly Magazine???? ???????????????????
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Rail photography is not always easy, and each person seems to have their own ideas on what to them is a great shot. I have seen great drone shots and poor ones, and I think there is just as much skill in producing a great drone shot as there is in getting a great ground level shot. I prefer ground level shots and seem to have settled on my own criteria; daylight through the wheels, all or most of the train in the frame, plain foreground and a landscape background that is typical of the location. Of course the rule is there to be broken. I didn't think Justin's image was a great one, I would have taken it from a lower position but that is just me, Justin and many others like it and that is good.
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"Never trespass and be careful"
Sure..... I believe him :)
BTW - Drones are trespassing, in this country (Canada) when you
are flying them over rail yards.. drones are probably the worst
offenders for rules violations...
But then again, photographers don't care as long as the shot is
in hand :) Drones are probably? among the worst offenders these
days given you can fly in, and out of many places , including
private infrastructure and airspace without being detected (so
far, that's also subject to change).
- Steve
On 10/20/2022 4:34 PM, Dave Saums
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Phil, thanks?for posting this and for pointing to the comments
section.? This was really enjoyable to see -- although some of
the comments leave a little to be desired.
I can understand that someone in the UK would find Montana or
Idaho or the Columbia River Gorge to be a bit challenging, from
a shadow perspective, not having normally to deal with very high
geographic features.
Looks like I will have an opportunity to ride to a relatively
high point with very high trestles and vertical drops in the
White Mountains in New Hampshire on Sunday -- have to be
prepared for snow, though.? One never knows what to expect at
this time of year.
Regards,
Dave.
Dave
Saums???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Mountains-of-the-Sky
Photography, Amesbury MA?? 01913 USA
Email:? ?dsaums@...?????????????? Tel:??978?479
7474?????????????
Editor, Rutland Railroad
Historical?Society "Newsliner" Quarterly
Magazine???? ???????????????????
Web:? ???
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Be sure to read the comments.
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Phil Burton
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Phil, thanks?for posting this and for pointing to the comments section.? This was really enjoyable to see -- although some of the comments leave a little to be desired.
I can understand that someone in the UK would find Montana or Idaho or the Columbia River Gorge to be a bit challenging, from a shadow perspective, not having normally to deal with very high geographic features.
Looks like I will have an opportunity to ride to a relatively high point with very high trestles and vertical drops in the White Mountains in New Hampshire on Sunday -- have to be prepared for snow, though.? One never knows what to expect at this time of year.
Regards,
Dave.
Dave Saums???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Mountains-of-the-Sky Photography, Amesbury MA?? 01913 USA
Email:? ?dsaums@...??????????????
Tel:??978?479 7474?????????????
Editor, Rutland Railroad Historical?Society "Newsliner" Quarterly Magazine???? ???????????????????
Web:? ???
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On Wed, Oct 19, 2022 at 2:44 PM, Phil Burton <philip-b@...> wrote: Nice. ? Phil Burton ? ? Eastbound California Zephyr going under Interstate 80 at Bowman, just east of Auburn, California,? The train was making the 50 MPH track speed and was on time.  ?
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike Tisdale via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 6:23 PM
To: Calrailfans <[email protected]>; [email protected]
Subject: [ObservationCar] Bowman Tuesday 2022? Eastbound California Zephyr going under Interstate 80 at Bowman, just east of Auburn, California,? The train was making the 50 MPH track speed and was on time.  ?
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Eastbound California Zephyr going under Interstate 80 at Bowman, just east of Auburn, California,?
18 Oct 2022.??
The train was making the 50 MPH track speed and was on time.
Mike Tisdale
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UP 7517 east at Pinole, California. Pinole is along San Pablo Bay, north of San Francisco.
15 Oct, 2016
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Re: Cook's timetables - what to do?
FWIW, the trick is finding an institution that takes overseas material. CSRM only accepts material from North America. I believe Mexico is the cutoff.
I answered Phil off-line. The institution I am thinking of got backlogged due to COVID and staff turnover.
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On Thursday, October 6, 2022 at 02:40:55 PM PDT, Mike Tisdale via groups.io <tisdalem2001@...> wrote: As Bill says, I hope someone would want the Cook's timetables.? ?The CSRM has a pretty good collection of Official Guides.? I find my Guides to be fascinating insights on the history of US railroads.? ? Cook's crammed a lot into their timetables and they were wonderful for figuring out where to go and how to get there when I was in Europe.? I know that today, we have on line resources, but the ability to look at a map and then go to the timetable listed to find when a train would go works better for me.?? Then again, if you asked me to name all the states or countries of Europe in alphabetical order, I'd probably miss some, but I could fill in a map of either pretty well. Mike On Thursday, October 6, 2022 at 10:47:55 AM PDT, Bill Hough via groups.io <psa188@...> wrote: Phil: I am sure that you can donate them. PM me for more. BH On Thursday, October 6, 2022 at 10:43:38 AM PDT, Phil Burton <philip-b@...> wrote: Mike, ? From various personal and business trips to Europe, I have a decent collection of Cook¡¯s timetables.? Not sure what to do with them when we move/downsize in a year or two. ? I also remember reading Bridge Too Far when I was a teenager.? My parents were war refugees, so I used to read a lot of European history books. ? Phil ? From: [email protected] [mailto: [email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike Tisdale via groups.ioSent: Wednesday, October 5, 2022 10:00 PMTo: ObservationCar@...: Re: [ObservationCar] Dutch Wednesday, 1980 ? Good to hear from you, Phil. ? Yeah, that was my only trip to the Netherlands.?? ? For some reason, I decided to see the Bridge Too Far at Arnhem.? I must have seen the movie recently or something.? So after a night in a hostel and then doing my laundry in a laundromat, I used my Cook's timetable to figure out how to get to Arnhem, saw the bridge and I'm not sure what else.?? ? I came in on the Rheingold from Switzerland and left on an overnight train to Munich. ? Mike ? On Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 09:53:04 PM PDT, Phil Burton <philip-b@...> wrote: ? ? Mike, ? I was in Amsterdam only once, many years ago.? Between the museums, the canals, the tram lines, and the Heineken brewery there is lots do to there. ? Phil Burton ? From: [email protected] [mailto: [email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike Tisdale via groups.io Sent: Wednesday, October 5, 2022 12:04 AM To: [email protected]; Calrailfans < [email protected]> Subject: [ObservationCar] Dutch Wednesday, 1980 ? NS EMUS I only had one day in the Netherlands on my 1980 trip, but I would like to go back. Lots of trains to see, as well as the country. ¡ª?¾±²Ô?Amsterdam, Netherlands. 13 March 1980 ? ? ? Mike Tisdale
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As Bill says, I hope someone would want the Cook's timetables.? ?The CSRM has a pretty good collection of Official Guides.? I find my Guides to be fascinating insights on the history of US railroads.? ?
Cook's crammed a lot into their timetables and they were wonderful for figuring out where to go and how to get there when I was in Europe.? I know that today, we have on line resources, but the ability to look at a map and then go to the timetable listed to find when a train would go works better for me.??
Then again, if you asked me to name all the states or countries of Europe in alphabetical order, I'd probably miss some, but I could fill in a map of either pretty well.
Mike
On Thursday, October 6, 2022 at 10:47:55 AM PDT, Bill Hough via groups.io <psa188@...> wrote:
Phil: I am sure that you can donate them. PM me for more. BH On Thursday, October 6, 2022 at 10:43:38 AM PDT, Phil Burton < philip-b@...> wrote: Mike, ? From various personal and business trips to Europe, I have a decent collection of Cook¡¯s timetables.? Not sure what to do with them when we move/downsize in a year or two. ? I also remember reading Bridge Too Far when I was a teenager.? My parents were war refugees, so I used to read a lot of European history books. ? Phil ? From: [email protected] [mailto: [email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike Tisdale via groups.ioSent: Wednesday, October 5, 2022 10:00 PMTo: ObservationCar@...: Re: [ObservationCar] Dutch Wednesday, 1980 ? Good to hear from you, Phil. ? Yeah, that was my only trip to the Netherlands.?? ? For some reason, I decided to see the Bridge Too Far at Arnhem.? I must have seen the movie recently or something.? So after a night in a hostel and then doing my laundry in a laundromat, I used my Cook's timetable to figure out how to get to Arnhem, saw the bridge and I'm not sure what else.?? ? I came in on the Rheingold from Switzerland and left on an overnight train to Munich. ? Mike ? On Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 09:53:04 PM PDT, Phil Burton < philip-b@...> wrote: ? ? Mike, ? I was in Amsterdam only once, many years ago.? Between the museums, the canals, the tram lines, and the Heineken brewery there is lots do to there. ? Phil Burton ?
From: [email protected] [mailto: [email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike Tisdale via groups.io Sent: Wednesday, October 5, 2022 12:04 AM To: [email protected]; Calrailfans < [email protected]> Subject: [ObservationCar] Dutch Wednesday, 1980 ? NS EMUS I only had one day in the Netherlands on my 1980 trip, but I would like to go back. Lots of trains to see, as well as the country. ¡ª?¾±²Ô?Amsterdam, Netherlands. 13 March 1980 ? ? ? Mike Tisdale
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Phil:
I am sure that you can donate them. PM me for more.
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On Thursday, October 6, 2022 at 10:43:38 AM PDT, Phil Burton <philip-b@...> wrote: Mike, ? From various personal and business trips to Europe, I have a decent collection of Cook¡¯s timetables.? Not sure what to do with them when we move/downsize in a year or two. ? I also remember reading Bridge Too Far when I was a teenager.? My parents were war refugees, so I used to read a lot of European history books. ? Phil ? From: [email protected] [mailto: [email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike Tisdale via groups.ioSent: Wednesday, October 5, 2022 10:00 PMTo: ObservationCar@...: Re: [ObservationCar] Dutch Wednesday, 1980 ? Good to hear from you, Phil. ? Yeah, that was my only trip to the Netherlands.?? ? For some reason, I decided to see the Bridge Too Far at Arnhem.? I must have seen the movie recently or something.? So after a night in a hostel and then doing my laundry in a laundromat, I used my Cook's timetable to figure out how to get to Arnhem, saw the bridge and I'm not sure what else.?? ? I came in on the Rheingold from Switzerland and left on an overnight train to Munich. ? Mike ? On Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 09:53:04 PM PDT, Phil Burton <philip-b@...> wrote: ? ? Mike, ? I was in Amsterdam only once, many years ago.? Between the museums, the canals, the tram lines, and the Heineken brewery there is lots do to there. ? Phil Burton ? From: [email protected] [mailto: [email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike Tisdale via groups.io Sent: Wednesday, October 5, 2022 12:04 AM To: [email protected]; Calrailfans < [email protected]> Subject: [ObservationCar] Dutch Wednesday, 1980 ? NS EMUS I only had one day in the Netherlands on my 1980 trip, but I would like to go back. Lots of trains to see, as well as the country. ¡ª?¾±²Ô?Amsterdam, Netherlands. 13 March 1980 ? ? ? Mike Tisdale
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Mike, ? From various personal and business trips to Europe, I have a decent collection of Cook¡¯s timetables.? Not sure what to do with them when we move/downsize in a year or two. ? I also remember reading Bridge Too Far when I was a teenager.? My parents were war refugees, so I used to read a lot of European history books. ? Phil ?
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike Tisdale via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, October 5, 2022 10:00 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [ObservationCar] Dutch Wednesday, 1980? Good to hear from you, Phil. Yeah, that was my only trip to the Netherlands.?? For some reason, I decided to see the Bridge Too Far at Arnhem.? I must have seen the movie recently or something.? So after a night in a hostel and then doing my laundry in a laundromat, I used my Cook's timetable to figure out how to get to Arnhem, saw the bridge and I'm not sure what else.?? I came in on the Rheingold from Switzerland and left on an overnight train to Munich. On Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 09:53:04 PM PDT, Phil Burton <philip-b@...> wrote: Mike, ? I was in Amsterdam only once, many years ago.? Between the museums, the canals, the tram lines, and the Heineken brewery there is lots do to there. ? Phil Burton ? ? NS EMUS
I only had one day in the Netherlands on my 1980 trip, but I would like to go back. Lots of trains to see, as well as the country. 13 March 1980
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one thing about the Netherlands-NS yellow and blue is better than NS black.
On Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 09:53:04 PM PDT, Phil Burton <philip-b@...> wrote:
Mike, ? I was in Amsterdam only once, many years ago.? Between the museums, the canals, the tram lines, and the Heineken brewery there is lots do to there. ? Phil Burton ?
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike Tisdale via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, October 5, 2022 12:04 AM
To: [email protected]; Calrailfans <[email protected]>
Subject: [ObservationCar] Dutch Wednesday, 1980 ? NS EMUS
I only had one day in the Netherlands on my 1980 trip, but I would like to go back. Lots of trains to see, as well as the country. 13 March 1980
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Good to hear from you, Phil.
Yeah, that was my only trip to the Netherlands.??
For some reason, I decided to see the Bridge Too Far at Arnhem.? I must have seen the movie recently or something.? So after a night in a hostel and then doing my laundry in a laundromat, I used my Cook's timetable to figure out how to get to Arnhem, saw the bridge and I'm not sure what else.??
I came in on the Rheingold from Switzerland and left on an overnight train to Munich.
Mike
On Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 09:53:04 PM PDT, Phil Burton <philip-b@...> wrote:
Mike, ? I was in Amsterdam only once, many years ago.? Between the museums, the canals, the tram lines, and the Heineken brewery there is lots do to there. ? Phil Burton ?
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike Tisdale via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, October 5, 2022 12:04 AM
To: [email protected]; Calrailfans <[email protected]>
Subject: [ObservationCar] Dutch Wednesday, 1980 ? NS EMUS
I only had one day in the Netherlands on my 1980 trip, but I would like to go back. Lots of trains to see, as well as the country. 13 March 1980
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Mike, ? I was in Amsterdam only once, many years ago.? Between the museums, the canals, the tram lines, and the Heineken brewery there is lots do to there. ? Phil Burton ?
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Sent: Wednesday, October 5, 2022 12:04 AM
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Subject: [ObservationCar] Dutch Wednesday, 1980? NS EMUS
I only had one day in the Netherlands on my 1980 trip, but I would like to go back. Lots of trains to see, as well as the country. 13 March 1980
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I only had one day in the Netherlands on my 1980 trip, but I would like to go back. Lots of trains to see, as well as the country. ¡ª?in?. 13 March 1980
Mike Tisdale
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Morning Capitol with F59PHI 2002 at Roseville, California.
This was in the mid-1990s between the delivery of the F59s and the delivery of the California cars.
I was taking the train to the Bay Area for something, maybe a trade show for work. Mike Tisdale
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Front Range Saturday, 2009
29 June 2009
UP 6754 west, coal empties, waits at Rocky siding for #6 as seen from the California Zephyr at Fireclay.
The Zephyr was descending the Front Range of the Rockies as it neared Denver, Colorado, which can be seen in the background.
The second unit appears to be an SP AC4400.
Mike Tisdale
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