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Yahoo groups has been completely down for the past hour or so, with this message, one I've never seen before. I was just about to move my group over. Wondering if I waited a day too long and it's finally bitten the dust. In any case, I feel moving is now urgent, if it's even still possible: Could Not Connect Description: Could not connect to the requested server host.

Okay Shal, I copied over parts of the post from Beta to here, so we can continue the discussion on Moderation and how it works both in Yahoo and in groups.io. Owl wrote:>>Hmmm. Help me understand this? In MM, everyone who joined was allowed in without approval, but stayed on moderation until cleared to post. Default for the group, I thought, was moderated?<< Shal wrote:>>The group control for message moderation in Yahoo Groups is slightly different from that in Groups.io, so bear with me.Your MM Yahoo Group is set to "Messages from new members require approval." In a Groups.io group this would be the equivalent of leaving the "Moderated" checkbox unchecked, and checking the "New Users Moderated" box.<< Okay, John and I checked out MM's actual settings, and here is how it is set up. It is set up as New Users are Moderated. Problem is, there's nothing ever to indicate that they are ever UNMODERATED by the system. Therefore to me, that seems like New Users Are Moderated = Moderated group. Because that is the default, and the default doesn't decide to unmoderate anyone, only I do. I found one entry that was put on default in the entire list, (might check again), and I'm pretty sure I didn't do that, because I always unmoderated the user once they posted a legit post...with the exceptions of those that I kept on permanent moderation. So please help me understand how the default in there could still be unmoderated, when nothing unmoderated them but me??? Shal wrote:>>So no, the default in MM is that members' posts are generally not moderated. However, when a member joins their Posting Privilege is set to "Override - posts are moderated". Thus new members are moderated until you change that setting.<< That's the other weird thing. Even when I changed the setting it was still override. It then said Override - Posts aren't moderated. Again though, default wouldn't have made them unmoderated, because default didn't know how to define a new user or not. Wouldn't default have to have been unmoderated to start with to do that? Owls are SO confused! Shal wrote:>>You might have cleared them to post either be selecting "Default Group Policy" (which I recommend) or by selecting "Override - posts are not moderated" (which I generally recommend against).<< But that was the only way I knew to do it, because default policy said new members are moderated, and didn't show me a way to make it aware when someone was no longer new. And no one ever told me differently, about how it worked. Shal wrote:>>In your Yahoo Group, if you clear members to post by changing their Posting Privilege to "Default Group Policy" then they are unmoderated so long as the group's setting is either "Unmoderated" or "Moderated for new members" (which implicitly means unmoderated for "cleared" members).<< Once again though, how would the group know they were no longer new, or cleared? Shal wrote:>>This very confusion is one reason why I dislike Yahoo Groups' use of a single three-way radio button control for both the group's default policy and the initial setting of new members. In Groups.io those are separate checkboxes, which I feel is much clearer.<< Owl wrote:>>Sorry, but that REALLY confused me...if you'd rather answer me in MMSanctuary, feel free...<< Shal wrote:>>I thought about it, but confusion on this point is not uncommon among Yahoo Groups moderators (at least judging by the questions I've fielded in the moderator help groups). So I figured that since many of beta@'s members are migrating from Yahoo Groups, it might be worthwhile to highlight how Groups.io's controls are clearer for this purpose than Yahoo Groups'.<< Okay, that makes sense. Shal wrote:>>And also to highlight why one should always prefer "Default Group Policy" over the unmoderated override: it allows you to temporarily switch the group's policy to moderated to squelch a flame war. If some members are instead set to the unmoderated override then you have to squelch each of those members individually - a much more arduous task in a large active group. If you want to discuss this further, perhaps we should take it over to the groups.io GMF.<< Done. I'm here. Help me understand it, because I simply don't. Sorry. :( Brenda

In my new group here, I see that archives are "visible to anyone." I would like archives to be visible to subscribers only, as I see is the case in at least one other group I belong to. But I can't find the variable in "settings" for this. Where would I find this? Is this perhaps a feature that's available only to upgraded groups? Thanks for any info! Olivia_J

Hey everyone, A member whom I transferred from a Yahoo Group to an io.group using Mark's transfer method, had this problem: *** 12/31/15 Hi Brenda, Just to let you know that I struggled to join Groups.io at first. Being Subscribed by you registered my email address with Groups.io, which locked me out of registering it myself. And I couldn’t Log In because I didn’t know my own password: remember Yahoo uses two-stage validation. If anyone else asks, the trick is to try to Log In, then click the Lost Password button and ‘reset’ it from the resulting email. David *** Any suggestions to make for other people who might transfer and run into the same problems? Brenda Nightowl >8#

I've copied most of my group's important files over to Groups.io, and am about to embark on the arduous process of getting the links duplicated over here as well. (I actually like the fact that Groups.io doesn't have a separate place for "links," since content will not be randomly distributed among "files" and "links" as it is in yahoo.) What I'm tentatively planning to do is to create file folders with appropriate names. Within each folder, I would include the files themseives plus a separate file called "links" with all the links to content of the same description. Example: In the "diagnosis" folder I would have a bunch of actual files on diagnosis, plus one called "diagnosis links" which would just be a file listing all the links. Any thoughts on this, or other ideas? What are people planning to do? J

Hi On our travel group, I maintain a links library. I re-created it in Groups.io <http://groups.io/> as a wiki - each main topic is a wiki page. Very easy to do. Home page - table of contents. Sample page: Frances

Okay, I received an invitation to Shalstest. I was able to join that group with no problems. Then I received mail from Shalstest, including calendar reminders. Since I have enough mail coming in already from groups.io, and elsewhere, I decided to attempt to mute them by using "Mute Threads Tagged With #cal-reminder" link in the e-mail. I copied the link and went to the group, NOT SIGNED IN, to see what would happen. Here is what transpired: 1. It It asked me for my user name and password 2. I typed them in the boxes provided 3. Then I clicked mute 4. No confirmation was given, instead it threw me back to the groups.io home page and I was not logged in. 5. Checking to be sure, I logged in, but I couldn't figure out how to list my muted hashtags to see if it worked. So I don't know if it did. What did I do wrong, or is this an issue? Thanks, Brenda

Hi Group, I was trying to upload some files in the 3rd group I have now that is moving from Yahoo.? However I finding I cannot upload I get "sending request to IO" and it just sits and sits!? In 30 minutes I moved only 4 files and the 5th would never upload. Dean

I sent a request to IO for the easy transfer of member, email settings, and messages to be done on this Monday.? I wanted to contact support with a question,? Since I read all my emails in hotmail itself.? If I click on the [email protected]. I get there is no email program set up on my computer,? If I try to paste it into hotmail will not send it saying it is not valid email address,? So what do I need to email IO as com did not work when added after the O, Also does a subgroup have its' own 1 gig of storage or is it based on the parent group 1 gig of storage. Thanks, Dean

Hi, Sorry to post again so soon.? However I keep telling hotmail that things I post to IO are not junk, however for over month now all my post to the groups I have on IO I find in my Junk Box.? Is there something else I should do as telling Hotmail they are not junk is not working.? Since my group that formally opens Tue has been announced I have new members, joining already, which is great.? However some are asking questions and when I post the reply even one is coming back into as I have said my Junk Box.? Help Please? Thanks, Dean

Hi Group, I move my group over the weekend with IO moving the members, email settings, and messages yesterday Mon!? IO had everything done around Noon EST.? However in my group are a lot of older computer challenged people.? Some have had issues getting into the new site that were moved by IO.? Now twice tonight I tired to post a Special Notice where I tired to cut and past a step by step way to get them I hoped into the group.? Now doing the copy and paste while not hard was time consuming as I had to? go to each page and some parts would not copy so i have manually make and insert insert those.? Once all done I have hit Send at the bottom of the posting box.? Sadly and I waited a couple hours in between in case there a slight delay from IO to redo the it a second time.? However neither post showed up in the group or my mail box where I used another email addy to see what members would see. ? So any idea where my Special Notices would have vanished to?? I really hate to do this all again only to have it vanish, and not help my members!? Thanks, Dean

A member of my group experienced problems right out of the chute. I posted some PDF files in our files area. then sent the direct link to the group. This user has a Mac computer, if that makes any difference. I figured his problem might have something to do with security settings, but I'm a Windows person, not a Mac, so I can't even tell him where to look. Anyone know the answer? Hi Anita, when I try to download the applications i?get this. ?(Adobe Reader blocked this site.) Thank you for any help with this. Anita C.

Hi Group, I have member who is having issues logging in, she says she is on the home page of the group sees the photo I have set for home page photo.? Says she is seeing her name but there are no tab on the side of page.? In trying to help her in another browser I went to my regular member profile and signed out.? When I went to sign in I asked that it send me link to log in and I got this email Hello, Here is a link to log into your Groups.io account: /loginlink/8469666208057095410 It will expire on 01/23/2016 at 10:50pm EST. If you did not ask for a login link to be sent to you, please ignore this email. Cheers, The Groups.io Team I clicked the linkwhich is good until 10:50 and I got this ?Find or Create a Group?Log In?Sign Up ×That link has expired. Send Link To Login It is not 10:50 so I did it again and I am in an endless loop of IO sending me links, I click to log on and getting it had expired. Dean

Hi Forum, I have some members asking me questions, and I do not have the answer so I coming to you for help.? On my group some see that post have via Groups.io attached to their emails.? Why is this only on some emails and not all.? I know one member post twice, once post from with in the group itself, and one wasa? reply sent through her email account she where she replied.? Yet both has the via Groups.io Another member who post should show hername@... are coming as hername-aol.com@... Thanks, Dean

Shal Is there an option to turn off on the ?group front ?page Top Poster and also ?hashtag? Vickie

I know it seems strange to ask but I wondered if it was possible to have the messages and files (and links if there is that feature - can't see it) and not the member list, at least not initially. Robert

J, I moved this to GMF to give Mark a break.[1] In @beta J_catlady wrote: /g/beta/message/5755 Features: o Each item in the Topics list is a link to the start of that topic in the body. o Each message has a link back to the Topics list. o The links at the bottom of each message are compact and easy to read. In the plain text digest those links take more space and look cluttered because the URLs are shown. o All links are "live". With the plain text digest if your email service or software doesn't "linkify" plain text URLs then you will need to copy/paste them to your browser. o Some users prefer the formatted appearance of the HTML digest. o Emoticons in the message bodies are shown as graphics. Cons: o The message is encoded in HTML. Some email clients don't handle HTML well, or at all. Some users prefer plain text. o Each digest takes more bytes to transmit. Costs more if using metered or otherwise limited internet service. Requires more storage if you archive the messages for future reference. o Font size and color choices in the individual messages are shown. This can disrupt the appearance and/or readability of the digest. o Emoticons in the message bodies are shown as graphics. Some people despise this. Anything I missed, folks? -- Shal 1: /g/beta/message/4759 (last bullet item)

In beta@ Jim Poston wrote: /g/beta/message/5784 I've decided to expand upon this topic here, as it is more of a "how to". If we come up with bug reports or feature requests those should be posted back in the thread at beta@ so Mark will see them. One thing I noticed when moving some databases from a Y!group to its reincarnation as group@ is that the Exported CSV (probably TSV too) from the Y!Group includes a header row containing the column names. Here I'm using the trailing @ to signify a group on Groups.io, my apologies in advance to anyone who had the temerity to name their group "group". When importing to the group@ that column heading row is matched up to the column names in the group@ table - so you need to have columns that match the names of those in the Y!group. Columns in the CSV that don't match any columns in the group@ table are discarded during import. I found it useful to open the CSV in a text editor to copy/paste the column names into the Edit Table form at group@ so that I'd get them to match exactly. The column type in a group@ table seems to control how both the add row and the import functions treat the content for that column. But my only test so far was a column of type "Date" - which imported as gibberish when fed a CSV containing dates in the YYYY-MM-DD format. On the other hand, importing that column as "Single Line Text", and then changing the type to "Date" after completing the import did not turn them to gibberish. But I don't think it turned them to an internal Date representation either: I think the table just shows the text that it imported despite the subsequent change of field type. -- Shal

From: Ro People are not resisting the idea of an OPTION -- people are ensuring that the folks who make decisions realize that it (whatever IT is) needs to BE an option - not merely a change - and (especially in the case of your earlier suggestion) that it needs to be a stand-alone option, not tied to some 'similar' setting. Many of us have learned the simple truth that software designers look for the easiest way to implement ANYTHING - which generally means changing existing functions rather than adding more options. And that when faced with a small minority clamoring for some specific change, those same software designers will often implement the change with zero regard for the SILENT majority who were perfectly happy the way things were. Unfortunately it is almost always impossible to roll back a bad change, because the decision to roll back a bad change requires management to admit that they made a bad decision. Many of us are here because of the repetitive cycle of BAD CHANGES at Yahoo.

I just added a page to the Wiki for "Setting up a Database". I think I covered most of it, but please make changes if appropriate. I'm thinking that we could do a lot of the documentation for Mark on how things work. I know that things are changing, some quite often, and that can make it difficult for less computer comfortable folks to keep up. As far as I'm concerned, Mark is more than welcome to use any of the information that I post if it will help others. If/when Shal feels that a page is pretty much set, he can lock it so that "Only moderators can edit this page" if he chooses so that there's less chance of it being messed up. Duane