I want members to be able to enter their own info into a database.? Is that possible?

Thanks. Yes, it's informal. There is no organization behind the listserv.?

On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 12:34 PM, Rob Halligan wrote:

It's a neighborhood listserv

If it's an official group for the neighborhood association, he may have a shot.? If it's just an informal thing that someone in the neighborhood started, I doubt it.

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On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 01:34 PM, Rob Halligan wrote:

My co-moderators and I have a member who threatens to sue if we?don't post his submissions. We wouldn't be vulnerable to any such suit would we?

Lots of people threaten things and fail to follow through. The classic wisdom is that "anyone can sue anybody for anything," but whether they will?win?is another matter entirely.?

Most of tort law for online forums relates to allowing?defamatory material to appear. Generally, the plaintiff would have to demonstrate some form of hardship being imposed upon him by your actions, and correlate that directly into some kind of $$$ figure. Failing to provide a forum for any rant or rave that pops into his head does not meet this definition...failing to allow him to respond to defamatory comments made about him by others might.

I found this, maybe it will help:?.?

I am not a lawyer, this is not legal advice, objects in mirror may be closer than they appear.

Regards,
Bruce

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My co-moderators and I have a member who threatens to sue if we?don't post his submissions. We wouldn't be vulnerable to any such suit would we? Of course these aren't important matters -- a bike lane. It's a neighborhood listserv:?Dupont Forum. (I did a search on the site and tried to read the TOS.)

Thanks in advance.
Rob Halligan

On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 11:55 AM, Bruce Bowman wrote:

Please consider sending important messages as a Special Notice instead. These are sent immediately, as individual messages, regardless of anyone's subscription setting.

Unless they've selected "No Email" for delivery (which is why some groups disable that setting.)

An additional note on digests.? The one at 6 am may not get sent if there has been one sent to that person within the last 6 hours, so your 'special' message still wouldn't be the first for them when they get the next digest? A lot more details in the Help Manual, /helpcenter/membersmanual/1/additional-information/understanding-message-digests

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On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 12:41 PM, Cleveland Park Editor wrote:

I have been trying to figure out the answer to this question since I moved my group from Yahoogroups over to Groups.io. Does each digest subscriber get an email with 12 messages starting with the first 12 after that person signs up for digest - or does the cycle get coordinated with other digest subscribers, so that everyone gets the same 12 messages in a digest?

Peggy -- Individual subscribers may have muted or followed certain topics or hashtags, or may have certain Advanced Preferences set in their subscription. Yahoo Groups had no provision to fine-tune message deliveries like this.

Because of this, there is no guarantee that each subscriber will receive the same digest, or that digest delivery will be synchronized.

...and sometimes there are "short" digests of less than 12 messages. I wish I understood what triggered that, as well.

Short digests are sent at 6 AM local time each day, to catch everyone up. If course, if your subscribers aren't all in the same time zone, that won't help you either.
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The reason I'd like to know this is that when posting a really important message, I would like to time it so that it will be first in the digest.?

If your subscribers are all in the same time zone, and you post something at 6:01 (i.e.: immediately after that day's "short digest" goes out), it should end up being the first message in the subsequent digest.

Please consider sending important messages as a Special Notice instead. These are sent immediately, as individual messages, regardless of anyone's subscription setting.

See also:??/helpcenter/membersmanual/1/additional-information/understanding-message-digests

Regards,
Bruce?

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I have been trying to figure out the answer to this question since I moved my group from Yahoogroups over to Groups.io. Does each digest subscriber get an email with 12 messages starting with the first 12 after that person signs up for digest - or does the cycle get coordinated with other digest subscribers, so that everyone gets the same 12 messages in a digest?

I thought all I needed to do was to create a few test subscriptions in digest mode and that would quickly tell me whether the digests were in sync for different subscribers. But it's been confusing. Most of the time the digests are the same. But they do diverge from time to time, and sometimes there are "short" digests of less than 12 messages. I wish I understood what triggered that, as well.

Also, I maintain test subscriptions in both "full digest" and "plain text" mode.

The reason I'd like to know this is that when posting a really important message, I would like to time it so that it will be first in the digest. When we were over at Yahoogroups, we learned very quickly that the first message in the digest got much more attention -- and a better response rate from members (if, for example, it contained a link to a survey that we wanted people to click on) than the same message in the middle or end of the digest. But at Yahoogroups, everyone got the same digest with 15 messages in the same order.

It doesn't seem to work that way at Groups.io.....but I would really like to be sure, and would like more information in general about the algorithm that produces the digest, whether in full-featured version or plain text format.

Thanks for any definitive info!

-Peggy Robin

Ref, a path to help for orphaned groups
1. Start your own group
2. Post to the old group that it is being discontinued due to lack of an owner. Tell them how to join the new group.
3.If they are interested they will respond, if they are not interested they will not respond.?
4. "Priceless" archives can be cut and pasted.

Am I missing something?
I think what we have is a specific solution looking for a problem. There are other possible solutions.
Ullmang

On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 09:32 AM, David C. Partridge wrote:

Could I suggest an option on add page to specify the format please?

I know that at one time there was a drop down box to choose the format for messages, possibly also wiki pages.? I suspect it was changed to the way it is now because it would be unusual for someone to not use the same for everything (as in your case.)? I used to use plain text for messages until I realized it doesn't really make any difference on most groups.? If the group is 'plain text only', you can only compose a plain text message online and any emailed in will be converted.? Now I've got my account preference set to HTML and all groups work as they should.

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On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 10:32 AM, David C. Partridge wrote:

Having to change the User Preferences every time seems “less than ideal”.?Could I suggest an option on add page to specify the format please?

Yes, but not here. You'll have to do that in the beta group ().

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On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 08:48 AM, Ken Cameron wrote:

The unfortunate part here is that an orphan group can't be a paid group
since nobody has the rights to pay. The current way still doesn't give this
group a path for help

That's one of the places where having multiple owners works (and the situation doesn't arise.)

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On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 09:08 AM, Bill Hazel wrote:

BTW - I searched the?/helpcenter/ownersmanual?for the term HTML and the only results concerned email preferences. I couldn't find any documentation on setting up My Account.

It's in the Members manual since it applies to everyone, not just owners, /helpcenter/membersmanual/1/understanding-groups-io-accounts/setting-account-preferences-and-viewing-account-information?single=true

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On Sun, Jul 26, 2020 at 01:03 PM, David C. Partridge wrote:

How do I do that? When I click on Add Page in the Wiki it just opens an edit box with no format bar ...

/account?page=prefs?select HTML in Editor Preference.
To get to the linked page click on your name in the top right-hand corner, select account.?
Select Preferences from the left-hand sidebar menu

BTW - I searched the?/helpcenter/ownersmanual?for the term HTML and the only results concerned email preferences. I couldn't find any documentation on setting up My Account.

If I remember correctly (iffy these days), these settings are done the 1st time a new subscriber touches groups.io when they have absolutely no idea what they're getting into, I know I didn't.

After tinkering around a while and they start figuring out what a great platform this is, those settings can become a distant memory.
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The unfortunate part here is that an orphan group can't be a paid group
since nobody has the rights to pay. The current way still doesn't give this
group a path for help. That would seem to leave them stuck with no option
forward.

-Ken Cameron, Member JMRI Dev Team
www.jmri.org
www.fingerlakeslivesteamers.org
www.cnymod.org
www.syracusemodelrr.org

why are membership applicants called "member" before even admitted?

This is the case in my groups before an applicant even has confirmed his/her email-address....

And I thought I had read in Beta that the terminology had been changed in such a way that an interested party applying for membership is not called a member but a candidate for membership...
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On Sun, Jul 26, 2020 at 08:20 PM, Stuart McCarthy wrote:

to be ignored by the Owner of Groups.io is discraceful

Not everyone is ignored, only those that don't own a paid group, from which Mark earns his living.? By my most recent estimate, there are almost 4.9 million user accounts on groups.io, so it makes sense to me that Mark can't be expected to interact with each one individually.? IMO, I'd rather be ignored completely than get a canned response, as Yahoo usually sent, that has nothing to do with my concern/question.

One of my favorite quotes when I was working was "Poor planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part."

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On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 08:15 AM, Nivard Ovington wrote:

receiving a digest or summary of posts? so then needs to visit the site to read the message in full?

for clarification, a Digest contains the message text so there's no need to go to the Groups.io site. A Daily Summary just contains a list of topics with links to the message text on the Groups.io site.

Andy