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Re: GIO changes from Mark
On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 08:54 AM, Laurence Marks wrote:
Uploading the attachments and adding a link to the message would also serve as "a means for reconstruction" and is free. But ONLY for a group/subgroup that has never had ANY messages posted.? While the message numbers would be correct, any links wouldn't since they'd point to the YG, unless those are also fixed.? (BTW, Larry's message and this one refer to the P2G utility, $50 minimum [once promised for free].) Duane -- GMF's Wiki: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Help: /static/help Search button at the top of Messages list A few site FAQs: /static/pricing#frequently-asked-questions |
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Re: Moving to Groups.io (without the Easy Yahoo Group transfer mechanism)
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Bruce Bowman wrote:
I'm a beta tester. You can see the results of a PGO-2-GIO transfer here?including attachments.?This site will likely be static for a while; I occasionally delete the content and reload it for testing. I've just renamed it, so it might not be accessible for a few hours. Larry |
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Re: GIO changes from Mark
Another intriguing thought.
Samuel, your use of the word "Forwarding" is intriguing. Suppose someone with a Yahoo group does not wish to move to Groups.io but would like an ongoing online archive available to all users. The Yahoo owner could create a Groups.io group and subscribe it to the Yahoo group, providing a searchable archive without affecting the subscribed users at all. I suppose I could have done this, but my plan is to move the users over and close the Yahoo group today or tomorrow. Larry Larry |
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Re: GIO changes from Mark
Samuel,
I believe you are incorrect, but it could be a matter of definitions. Let's use these: Upload: Messages from Yahoo Groups which have been captured on an individual's computer are transferred by any means to appear as individual messages on a group in Groups,io. Forwarded: Messages sent to another address will be relayed to Groups.io Using those definitions, the messages are uploaded. There are some differences, both positive and negative, from the appearance that you would get if the group had always been in Groups.io.
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Re: ?Hashtags
On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 06:30 AM, Jonah the Whale wrote:
What are we all doing incorrectly as the coloured version is all that isThat's just the way hashtags work, see /static/help#hashtags? If you only want the color version to show, put the hashtags at the end of the line.? For something like your 3rd example, where they're used as a separator, that might make the subject line a bit unclear though. Duane -- GMF's Wiki: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Help: /static/help Search button at the top of Messages list A few site FAQs: /static/pricing#frequently-asked-questions |
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?Hashtags
In the current transfer of genealogy sites from Rootsweb, groups are
generating duplicated hashtags by placing keyword hashtags at the beginning of a subject line.? However the hashtag then appears at the start of that line and is displayed as a coloured emoji style icon at the end of the subject line. What are we all doing incorrectly as the coloured version is all that is required by us?? Sample output enclosed. Regards, John Scott |
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Re: Moving to Groups.io (without the Easy Yahoo Group transfer mechanism)
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Thanks, Shal. That's what I was asking. I thought I'd made that clear in my initial question. Unfortunately Bruce talked about putting them in subgroups which confused the issue, hence the question. My groups really have no need for subgroups, and I prefer to keep them as simple as possible.Is there a reason why the import couldn't be put right intoThat depends on "by who". If you give the mbox file(s) to Dano |
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Re: Moving to Groups.io (without the Easy Yahoo Group transfer mechanism)
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Dano,
That depends on "by who". If you give the mbox file(s) to Groups.io to import for you that's exactly what happens. They get put right into the message archives, same as the Easy Yahoo Groups Transfer would have done. If you mean yourself, manually or with automation, then no: there is no import mechanism available to users. The best a user can do is re-post them. That causes the messages to date-sort in the order of the date of re-post, not the date of the original posting. You (or the automation you use) can mitigate that somewhat by putting the original date in the message body. Also, unless you go to some extra effort when using Lena's automation, the messages post under the email address (account) of the person re-posting them, rather than the original poster. How much extra effort I don't know, I've not done it. I've only read some of the comments by people using her program. Again, you or the automation you use can mitigate this somewhat by putting the original poster's name in the message body. ?
Wilson's PGO-2-GIO application has a function to cause the original message numbering to be recreated during the reposting. But for that to work one must start with a "fresh" Groups.io group - one that has no messages in it. This is one of the reasons the usual advice when using that program is to repost into an "archive" subgroup, rather than into what you expect to be your active primary group.
With PGO-2-GIO it is said that attachments can be included as part of the reposted messages. ?
No. But Groups.io does use In-Reply-To and/or References header fields if present in the posted message to see if it matches up with the Message-ID field of a message already posted. I don't know if any of the re-posting automation programs try to cause the re-posted messages to link up in that way or not. Fortunately (or unfortunately) given that the re-posting happens over a short period of time Groups.io will use matching of the Subject text to thread messages together. See Topics and the Threading Algorithm for further info. Shal -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
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Re: GIO changes from Mark
On 13/01/2020 03:19, Laurence Marks wrote:
If you have a PG Offline download, you will soon be able to upload it *with all your attachments* to Groups.io.It is my understanding that the new companion program from PG Offline does not upload messages to Groups.io, but forwards messages to Groups.io. Samuel |
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Re: GIO changes from Mark
On 11/01/2020 23:39, Jeff Coleman via Groups.Io wrote:
Can you confirm that a message sent out on a Main group willYour question is slightly ambiguous even though you may not have intended it to be. No, a message sent to the main group will not be sent to all subgroups. Yes, a message sent to the main group will "reach" all members of the main group (depending on their subscription settings for the main group) -- and since everyone in a subgroup must also be a member of the main group, "everyone on all subgroups" will receive it, but they won't receive it *on* the subgroups. I'm not sure if one can subscribe a subgroup to the main group directly (so that the subgroup would receive all mails that are sent to the main group). Samuel |
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Re: Moving to Groups.io - help page
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See this wiki page for help.Thanks Frances, I understand full well how the system works. I'm just asking about possible problems with a subtle nuance to the process. I've been an old dog around here for a number of years. (Tomorrow is the 5th anniversary of my first groups.io group. Cue the fireworks!) Mostly I just lurk and ponder, and try not to bark much. I did some of the first group transfers with Mark and helped find some of the bugs in the process as well as a couple back-door tricks. For some reason, just before the shutdown, I decided to rescue an orphaned group on Y! I should have known better, but some days I get these crazy ideas¡ Dano |
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Moving to Groups.io - help page
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See this wiki page for help.
Moving to Groups.io (without easy transfer)Frances
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Re: Moving to Groups.io (without the Easy Yahoo Group transfer mechanism)
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Thanks for your thoughts, Duane. There's only one Y! group and I want to put the messages into the successor groups.io group. The only merging would be a few recent messages that would overlap.Is there a reason why the import couldn't be put right into theYou'd end up with 2 YG in one GIO group, correct? There's Dano |
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Re: Moving to Groups.io (without the Easy Yahoo Group transfer mechanism)
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I created the group several years ago, and took it premium?to allow direct adding of members. So the real group already exists. Y! has actually deleted the group on their end in spite of what they said they'd do. I have an open case with them about the issue.
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Re: Moving to Groups.io (without the Easy Yahoo Group transfer mechanism)
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On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 08:51 PM, D R Stinson wrote:
Is there a reason why the import couldn't be put right into the message archives? I've rescued an orphaned group and we have the Yahoo zip files for the group. (We also have PGO files.)?The current groups.io archives start from about a year ago, and I recognize the message numbering of the imported messages?would fall into the sequence on the date it was imported.You'd end up with 2 YG in one GIO group, correct?? There's no problem with that and it's been done a few times that I know of (some intentional, some not. ;>)? It's only critical if you want to keep all the information separate. Duane -- GMF's Wiki: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Help: /static/help Search button at the top of Messages list A few site FAQs: /static/pricing#frequently-asked-questions |
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Re: Moving to Groups.io (without the Easy Yahoo Group transfer mechanism)
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If the data are small enough to not require a premium group, you could create a test group and upload/delete repeatedly until you are satisfied that everything has worked right. Then create the real group, repeat the proven upload procedure, invite the members, and delete the test group. Larry |
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Re: Moving to Groups.io (without the Easy Yahoo Group transfer mechanism)
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¿ªÔÆÌåÓýBruce -
A little tangent from this thread, but I thought I'd leave it connected.
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> 2. The groups.io mbox import service. This retains both message
>?ownership and proper posting dates, but not attachments.
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> If you use groups.io's service, just make darn sure you tell Mark
>?exactly which [sub]group is your intended destination, and
>?provide the correct "messages.zip" file.
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Is there a reason why the import couldn't be put right into the message archives? I've rescued an orphaned group and we have the Yahoo zip files for the group. (We also have PGO files.)?The current groups.io archives start from about a year ago, and I recognize the message numbering of the imported messages?would fall into the sequence on the date it was imported.
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I already have a group that was transferred back when group transfers were just getting started, and there are messages from that date mixed in with the archives as they were downloading. But by displaying messages in chronological order, the message numbers don't particularly matter.
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Attachments aren't going to reattach anyway, so I don't see why it would matter if the old messages were put into the current archives. Is there something about threading that uses the message numbers?
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None of my groups have subgroups, and I'd rather not have to create a subgroup which is just likely to confuse many of the members.
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Thanks for your thoughts.
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Re: GIO changes from Mark
Shal Farley wrote:
If you already have a PG Offline download you're in pretty good shape with regard to Files and Photos. If you already have a Get My Data download you're in great shape with regard to Messages. If you have a PG Offline download, you will soon be able to upload it?with all your attachments to Groups.io. I have (I believe) gotten past the last obstacle, a single message that was being rejected by Groups.io. I'm testing a version of a companion program to PG Offline by the same firm. Larry |
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