On Oct 6, 2019, at 9:35 AM, Donald Hellen <donhellen@...> wrote:

I own a senior group (not high school, senior citizens) and on occasion their messages are sent to the spam folder and when they try to delete the spam messages, it kicks them out of the group? Is there anyway I can disable that spam function for my group? Judy

I recognize that this varies depending on what method one uses to receive one’s email (go to the website, use a mail aggregator, use a Spam filtering app, etc), but won’t simply adding the Groups.io email address to one’s contact list or application solve many, if not most, of this problem?

I have a huge group email address with over 100 email addresses on it and I explicitly welcome new members with the strong admonition that they MUST add my email address to their Contacts or risk not receiving emails to that group email address.

The only email provider that does not seem to consistently work with is that damned Google Mail.

E.g. I sent a senior an email to his Gmail address explaining that the alert he had received from his web browser that the site he was trying to access was suspect was in fact a valid warning.

In that brief email, two or three sentences long, sent only to him, sent from the address I always use with him, I mentioned the address of the bad web site.

He sent me a screenshot of his Gmail inbox with my email: my email carried some “Hazardous to open” warning based, I am certain, on the fact that my email mentioned that bad web site.

Bob
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Judy . . .

On Sun, 6 Oct 2019 09:15:31 -0400, "Shadow Grafix"
<shadowgrafix@...> wrote:

I own a senior group (not high school, senior citizens) and on occasion their messages are sent to the spam folder and when they try to delete the spam messages, it kicks them out of the group? Is there anyway I can disable that spam function for my group? Judy

Unfortunately for them, it's an agreed-upon protocol many forums and
group sites have made with various email providers as a protection to
the users.

The members will have to lean to train their spam folders
appropriately and also to not delete groups.io messages in the spam
folder.

Web sites which do not adhere to this arrangement often find their
sites blacklisted, so this can't be turned off. It's the duty of the
members to see that their email is routed correctly and to not delete
those posts from the group.

They do get a link to reactivate their membership.

For a group like this, I would recommend sending out a special notice
often (at least monthly if not more often) explaining this and mention
that you are willing to help them learn how to set up their spam
filter correctly if you are willing to do so. For Roadrunner email,
just turn off the spam filter and have it send everything to the inbox
with the label SPAM added to the subject line. That way nothing
important ends up in there and you get a heads-up that a message MAY
(or may not) be spam. That's how I have mine set up. For other email
services, you'll have to learn how to handle those on an individual
basis but if it's important, it would be worth your while to help them
that way.

For now, I would send out an email about not marking messages as spam
nor deleting them from the spam folder if they are group posts. Then
you can work with them on an individual basis as this comes up.


Donald


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On Sun, Oct 6, 2019 at 05:31 AM, Mick Anderson wrote:

When you create a Directory in the "Files" section containg a file or files you cannot add further files.

It says it is optional to replace the original file but you cannot select such an option.

It always replaces the existing file.

You cannot add more files and update.

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Mick

?Mick,

Adding files does work.

Navigate to the directory by clicking on the directory name you want to add the file(s) to. That will open up that directory for you. Then click on "Upload File" and the files will be uploaded into that directory.

I think you may have been selecting the "Update" icon.?

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I have the following situation regarding those Invites.

My members are elderly people who for the majority do not speak English. I've been able to get them to use the system by given them some tutorials and translating everything to Dutch.

You can imagine that when they receive an email written in English it rings their 'spam' or 'phishing' bell, so I make sure that I add my personal invitation in Dutch, in another color and so on.

The personal addition is not retained from session to session so for every invite to be send I have to open an external file, copy the text, paste it, ... before I can launch the invite.

Is there no way to prevent the fixed text to be included in the Invite?
How can I make my personal additions permanent?

Thanks In Advance,
A.J.

On Sat, Oct 5, 2019 at 04:30 PM, Shal Farley wrote:

Comments about these are welcome:

NEW: Added subject checks for 'ris:' and 'r: ' which can indicate a
message is a reply.

Marina -- Hopefully this addresses [in part] the problem you mentioned in?/g/GroupManagersForum/topic/34249435??

Regards,
Bruce

Alan,

As a retired BT engineer I am aware of certain ''problems'' at
BTinternet and have made noises via internal contacts previously. I
will punt this one up to my contacts, ...

You may pass them this link for some evidence. GMF's messages are public so they can read the messages with no membership or login.
/g/GroupManagersForum/message/18774

don't hold your breath but it may add to the ''weight'' of complaints.

Another push can't hurt. I hope they're in a mood to listen and act.

Thanks for a good trouble free service.

That thanks of course belongs to Mark at Groups.io, who doesn't read this group. You, or more to the point BTinternet, can contact him via [email protected] (or the beta group) if that would help push this issue.


Shal


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Hi all,

This week's change log:



Feel free to reply to this topic if you'd like to comment on the
changes. Or better yet, if you expect a lot of discussion start a new
topic (or rejoin an existing one) about a specific change.


Comments about these are welcome:

INTERNAL: More work on the upcoming notifications system.
INTERNAL: Much work to revamp the activity log system to support
webhook API functionality.
BUGFIX: The /getmembers API endpoint would return all members,
including banned and pending members, if you didn't specify a type,
instead of only returning normal members, which it should do.
NEW: Added subject checks for 'ris:' and 'r: ' which can indicate a
message is a reply.
CHANGE: Changed the file upload notification so that only one
notification is generated regardless of the number of
files/directories that are uploaded.
API: Added /getphoto endpoint.
API: Added display_name, user_name, profile_photo_url,
profile_privacy, email fields to the photo object.
API: Added /reportcontent endpoint.

Please call out any you find significant.

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On Sat, Oct 5, 2019 at 02:17 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:

Paul -- I just want to be sure you understand the following:

-- Subject lines (and their hashtags) are associated with topics, not
messages.
-- When you edit a topic's subject line, the affected messages are not resent
to the group as emails. No one will notice the change unless they visit the
online message archive and reread it.
-- If you add an expiring hashtag, once that hashtag times out all of the
messages in that topic will be deleted, including any replies.

Bruce, yes I do clearly understand all three (above)... and most usually there is only one post in our particular topic: the announcemement. But on rare occsaions somone will make a reply.

And I do know that editing the subject line doesn't automatically spark a re-send to the group, but we have a lot of members who read online, so that's okay.

One the third point above I understand how that works; that the whole topic gets deleted.

So based upon what we're wanting to do with the hashtags, in this instance hashtags aare going to have to be done manually and be non-expiring.

Thanx again,

PM
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On Sat, Oct 5, 2019 at 12:39 PM, Epicatt2 wrote:

The post is welcome but as a moderator/owner we don't know where the event will take place, only 'when'. So directions to the venue change from month to month. Also some members do reply to the post confirming that they will be attending.

Paul -- I just want to be sure you understand the following:

-- Subject lines (and their hashtags) are associated with topics, not messages.
-- When you edit a topic's subject line, the affected messages are not resent to the group as emails. No one will notice the change unless they visit the online message archive and reread it.
-- If you add an expiring hashtag, once that hashtag times out all of the messages in that topic will be deleted, including any replies.?

Maybe this behavior what you want...I don't know.?

Good luck,
Bruce

The things is that this event is posted externally by a member is not a moderator.

The post is welcome but as a moderator/owner we don't know where the event will take place, only 'when'. So directions to the venue change from month to month. Also some members do reply to the post confirming that they will be attending.

So having monthly changes to the announcement unfortunately does not lend it to be a repeating calendar event and understanding that bit of info, once the announcement gets posted we are manually adding the hashtags.

PM
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Mick,

I don't know about iPad stuff, but for Windows, the way it works is to select a directory and all of the files and sub-directories underneath.. There are no options to select only specific individual files as that is covered by "Upload file"

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On Sat, Oct 5, 2019 at 10:52 AM, Epicatt2 wrote:

What I was wanting to do on the day before the event is to take place was to add a 'temporary, one day' hashtag to the event post along with its 'forever' hashtag to alert the membership that the event was about to take place 'TOMORROW'. I was hoping the one day hashtag would expire and leave the origninal post and its forever hashtag in place.

Then on the next day (i.e., the day of the event) that 'one day' hashtag would expire (leaving the event post and its hashtag in place) and I would add another 'one day' hashtag alerting members that the event 'IS TODAY'. Then that 2nd hashtag would disappear the following day again leaving the original event post and its 'forever' hashtag in place as a reminder.

Ah, I see.?

The topic duration associated with a hashtag isn't really optimal in this application when coupled with a simple message to the group. I hope you will consider using groups.io's existing calendaring functions instead. If you set up the #cal-invite tag to never expire and the #cal-reminder hashtag to expire after some appropriate interval that should provide the functionality you want.

Hope this helps,
Bruce

Bruce, the idea was to flag an announced upcoming event with a 'forever' hashtag with the event's name to highlight that event and call attention to it, especially in the message archives online.. We leave the event post in place after the event has passed as a reference for newbies to the group so they know that we have this monthly event.

The following month the event gets posted anew (about a week ahead of the event's date) with a new 'forever' hashtag to call attention to it.

What I was wanting to do on the day before the event is to take place was to add a 'temporary, one day' hashtag to the event post along with its 'forever' hashtag to alert the membership that the event was about to take place 'TOMORROW'. I was hoping the one day hashtag would expire and leave the origninal post and its forever hashtag in place.

Then on the next day (i.e., the day of the event) that 'one day' hashtag would expire (leaving the event post and its hashtag in place) and I would add another 'one day' hashtag alerting members that the event 'IS TODAY'. Then that 2nd hashtag would disappear the following day again leaving the original event post and its 'forever' hashtag in place as a reminder.

But I'm now I understand that the expiry time for a limited hashtag added after the date of the initial post times out from the date the original post was made.

So, the best way to proceed at this time is to add & delete those extra hashtags manually so that the original post remains in place.

It would be useful for a hashtag to have an option to expire on its own, but leave the post to which it is attached in place after that hashtag were to exipre.

So again, it sounds as if the way to deal with this temporary hashtag thingy is to add & remove them manually.

OK – HTH

Paul M.
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Got it, Shal, and understand.

Thank you for that; much appreciated.

On Oct 4, 2019, at 10:13 PM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:

Bob,

In the Invitation To Be Sent Field, _nothing_ can be edited.

Correct. Only automatic substitutions are made -- [Name] and [Invitee Email Address].

It seems so silly that I feel I must be mistaken.

Note that the Invitation To Be Sent box changes content to reflect any inclusion you make via the Customize Message field. So, apart from the automatic substitutions, you can see exactly what will be sent.

If I copied what appeared in the To Be Sent Field into the Customize
Message field, ...

That /would/ be silly.

Try something like this instead:
/g/GroupManagersForum/message/2530

Shal

Bob
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On Sat, Oct 5, 2019 at 02:20 AM, Mick Anderson wrote:

Has anybody tried using the new function of "File Directory?"

Mick -- I don't know of any such function. Are you referring to the "Upload Directory" button (called "Upload Folder" in last week's notification)?

Using an iPad with IOS software it only allows browsing photo albums.

The Upload Directory function applies only to the group's Files area. It does not allow you to upload images to the Photos section.?

With a desktop computer and Windows it does not allow any files to be selected for the File Directory.

I agree that the user interface isn't exactly intuitive.?Please see?/g/GroupManagersForum/topic/34328513#18953?and let us know if you have any follow-up questions.?

Regards,
Bruce

On Sat, Oct 5, 2019 at 02:19 AM, Epicatt2 wrote:

So the answer still seems to be that these hashtags will have to be added and removed manually if the original post is to be preserved.

Paul -- Keep in mind that these hashtags are supposed to delete the ENTIRE TOPIC. If you manually add an expiring hashtag to a subsequent message in the same topic, I'm not prepared to guarantee that "the original post will be preserved."

It might be helpful if you could give us a little more detail on what you're trying to accomplish.

Regards,
Bruce

Has anybody tried using the new function of "File Directory?"