Darius . . .

On Tue, 08 Oct 2019 12:56:27 -0700, dariusburke@... wrote:

Its still up, and I searched for it out of curiosity and found it! I was ecstatic but I couldn't get in since its restricted and requires approval to which on one has access. I've been wanting to try and at least get the photos in he group. Ive been looking everywhere for help, I asked Yahoo support via twitter and they were 0 help, I asked reddit but they laughed at me. You guys are my last hope, please help me out.

This is bad news, but here's how it looks to Yahoo and why you won't
get their help.

If you aren't a member and if it's a closed group, you would have to
have your membership approved before having access to the files and
photos. You said it was your group at one point.

Let's assume it's not your group for a moment, as it might as well not
be if you can't remember your username and password or if they don't
work.

If it's open to the public (you said it's not), and if the public has
access to those areas, then you could download them one at a time then
upload them to your new GIO group, also one at a time.

But you're not a member (from Yahoo's standpoint). So you don't have
"rights" to access the group. Yahoo won't help since it's up to the
group owner (who can't log in) to approve your membership. That's how
Yahoo looks at it.

That means you're stuck if you don't have your login information or
the same contact email address to get your credentials recovered.
Yahoo, if there was any customer support, would think you're trying to
take over the group from the legitimate owner. They won't help you do
that. They used to let someone just run a group as a supermoderator if
the owner couldn't be contacted, to continue the group. But they don't
do that anymore, and you would still have had to be a member back when
they did that. We won't even go into how you do that since you're not
viewed as a member to the system. And it's pretty much a system of
computers that you're dealing with now that they pretty much got rid
of customer service.

You could just start a new group and realize that it will take a while
to build membership. If you have old emails from your group, you could
try inviting those members to the new group.

There's no magic way to recover your access to the group if you don't
have your login credentials, or if someone hacked the group somehow
and took it over, then removed you from the group.

I'm not sure exactly what happened as you didn't give a full history
of what happened, but in any case, it looks like you don't have a way
to get to those files or photos.

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Hi, my name is Darius.
I've been struggling for he past 8 months on figuring out how I can get photos, attachments from an old Yahoo group of mine, after the whole Yahoo hack, I couldn't get back on there, and the other mods had the same issue, long story short the yahoo group has been inactive since 2011. Its still up, and I searched for it out of curiosity and found it! I was ecstatic but I couldn't get in since its restricted and requires approval to which on one has access. I've been wanting to try and at least get the photos in he group. Ive been looking everywhere for help, I asked Yahoo support via twitter and they were 0 help, I asked reddit but they laughed at me. You guys are my last hope, please help me out.

Thanks so much!!
-D

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Thanks Bruce,

I've passed your advice to her and we'll see what transpires...

Best
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On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 07:44 AM, Peter Rawbone wrote:

One of our members with a googlemail.com email address is unable to successfully access our site.? Her husband with a gmail.com email address can.

Peter -- It may be that she'd have more success logging in using the gmail.com domain. Googlemail is just an alias for gmail. I can send a message to myaccount(at)googlemail(dot)com?and it will arrive at myaccount(at)gmail(dot)com just fine.

This is from her message to me:

"I can’t get on using a password. I pressed email a link and it sent me a link which I clicked on. I was sent straight to a page to add a new topic. I pressed on a menu but nothing allowed me to put in a password.

The link in the "log in" email is not a "password reset" link, as she may be accustomed to. If you click on that link, it logs you in without a password.

If she clicked on the link and it didn't take her to her account page, it may be that she was already logged in. She needs to check the menu at top right of the page (on the blue menu bar). If it doesn't say "Login" up there, but instead displays her Display Name or email address, then she doesn't need to log in...she already is.?

Once logged in, a password can be set by entering one at?/account?and clicking on the Change Password button. This is all explained in great detail at?/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Logging-in-and-How-to-Set-a-Personal-Password

Hope this helps,
Bruce

On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 08:00 AM, Bruce Bowman wrote:

So many of us lose being able to share as much as we would like [due] to the 40 emails in 30 mins loop ban.

I have no idea what you might mean by this.

Ah, I see now (Ref:?/g/GroupManagersForum/topic/2356142).?

Bruce

On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 07:44 AM, Dani wennberg wrote:

Let's say I want to pre-load today for a war that starts the 1st weekend in november and just let those shares sit and wait needing approval. Can I do that or will the messages vanish from the group?

Dani -- If I understand you correctly, I believe it is possible.

The default behavior is that any messages left in the Pending queue for more than two weeks are automatically deleted. However, as a Moderator/Owner you can override that timeout by "claiming" the messages. You "claim" a pending?message?by clicking the Edit button. Even if you subsequently cancel the edit, you've still claimed it.??

Such "claimed" messages will remain in Pending indefinitely until you or another Moderator further processes them. In your case, you would open your Pending queue on November 1 and approve them all at once.

So many of us lose being able to share as much as we would like [due] to the 40 emails in 30 mins loop ban.

I have no idea what you might mean by this.

Hope this helps,
Bruce

One of our members with a googlemail.com email address is unable to successfully access our site.? Her husband witrh a gmail.com email address can.

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psb b,

how does a members post appear in my inbox (I am owner) but it does not appear in the groups messages?

Most likely it wasn't actually a post to the group. It may have been addressed to the +owner address as Frances suggested, or it may have been addressed to you directly.

If the message was sent to you as a group posting then it would have the normal group footer at the bottom, with your email address next to the Unsubscribe link.

Consequently, my reply post doesn't appear anywhere!

What does the To field say in your reply? Most likely it has that member's address rather than your group's posting address.

In looking at email addresses in your inbox, don't be fooled by display name text.

If the From or To address field contains an email address inside <angle brackets> (yellow highlighter in the screenshot) that is the actual email address. Any text to the left of the angle bracketed address is just Display Name text. Even when it looks like an email address, as in the example screenshot, the Display Name text is not used as an email address.

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Was it addressed to the group owner??

Or if not, check your settings in Admin -?Message Policies - Frances

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Hi,?

how does a members post appear in my inbox (I am owner) but it does not appear in the groups messages?

Consequently, my reply post doesn't appear anywhere!

Thank you

On Oct 6, 2019, at 8:16 PM, Donald Hellen <donhellen@...> wrote:

With Roadrunner email (Spectrum cable), they don't even tell you that
they filter your spam before they send it to you. I use a third party
email program (forte Agent) to receive my RR email. (Few use their
webmail and most subscribers aren't even aware that you get several
email addresses for free.) I was missing some emails that I suspected
I should be receiving and did some searching and found that I can set
their filter up to mark it as spam if it thinks it is but send it on
anyway for me to decide. Their filter wasn't very good, and neither is
Yahoo's from what I've seen for their groups. (The recommendation in
Yahoo's GMF is to turn off the spam filter for groups.)

The one that has given me the least trouble by far is Apple. I use their Mail.app and I probably three junk or spam emails get through to my inbox per month and I _never_ get emails from anyone telling me I haven’t answered their emails.

Bob
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Bob . . .

On Sun, 6 Oct 2019 10:39:52 -0400, "Bob Gerard via Groups.Io"
<rfg1647@...> wrote:

I recognize that this varies depending on what method one uses to receive one’s email (go to the website, use a mail aggregator, use a Spam filtering app, etc), but won’t simply adding the Groups.io email address to one’s contact list or application solve many, if not most, of this problem?

It might be all that's needed but will depend on the email provider.
That wouldn't work in my case.

With Roadrunner email (Spectrum cable), they don't even tell you that
they filter your spam before they send it to you. I use a third party
email program (forte Agent) to receive my RR email. (Few use their
webmail and most subscribers aren't even aware that you get several
email addresses for free.) I was missing some emails that I suspected
I should be receiving and did some searching and found that I can set
their filter up to mark it as spam if it thinks it is but send it on
anyway for me to decide. Their filter wasn't very good, and neither is
Yahoo's from what I've seen for their groups. (The recommendation in
Yahoo's GMF is to turn off the spam filter for groups.)

I guess the main point is that it's the member's responsibility to
take care of this, but unfortunately many don't know what's going on
or how to access the settings for their email account. With webmail, I
doubt you're going to have a phone number to call to help you figure
this out and change settings. If the group owner wishes, they can step
in to help. Or they can leave it up to the members to contact the
owner for help.

I expect the marking messages as spam to happen more frequently right
after moving a group from Yahoo to IO. Not everyone likes being moved
to another platform.


Donald


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Thank you all for your responses. I'll pass them on to my members.
Judy

I own a senior group and on occasion their messages are sent to the spam
folder and when they try to delete the spam messages, it kicks them out of
the group.

Judy -
I very much understand your dilemma. I also own a group where a lot of members are in the right hand lane of the information highway, and as I've commented before, some seem to be driving up the parking lane with their flashers on.

The important thing is to **move those messages to another folder** before deleting them. This is only a problem with messages deleted from the *spam* folder.

My ISP's email system will allow me to check a box in front of the messages in question and mark them as "Not Spam" which moves them to the inbox where they can be deleted just fine.

For others, they may need to drag-and-drop the messages to another folder before deleting them.

In spite of what many people think, computers are not really 'smart'. They're just machines that follow instructions to the letter. The rule that several have already explained, only applies to messages deleted from the spam folder. Messages deleted from any other folder don't meet the requirements of the rule, and so don't cause problems.

I hope this helps. Good luck!

Dano

On Sun, Oct 6, 2019 at 02:21 PM, Shadow Grafix wrote:

...when they try to delete the spam messages, it kicks them out of the group

This is entirely normal, and no, you cannot change any settings to overcome it.

This from the GMF wiki gives chapter and verse on the subject: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Removed-for-spam and I strongly recommend that you send that link to your members because it ought to be sufficient for them to get around the problem for themselves; it cannot be done for them. There are clear do's and don'ts which if followed will help to minimise the problem.

Chris

On Sun, Oct 6, 2019 at 07:28 AM, Alain J. Baudrez wrote:

Is there no way to prevent the fixed text to be included in the Invite?

I'd like to think at some point groups.io will be able to provide support for languages other than English. Having said that, I doubt that the invitation text and some other key notifications sent by groups.io will ever be fully customizable. If nothing else, a sentence or two clarifying the procedure to "opt-out" of a subscription must be present, for legal reasons.

Regards,
Bruce

On Sun, Oct 6, 2019 at 06:28 AM, Alain J. Baudrez wrote:

Is there no way to prevent the fixed text to be included in the Invite?

Not at the present time.? There has been discussion on the beta group about localization to minimize the confusion, but that may not happen for some time.? See and

How can I make my personal additions permanent?

I think you can add a Member Notice of the type Invite on the Settings page with your special information.? You could create several if needed, then select which to use on the drop down box in the Customize Message section on the Invite page.

Duane
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On Oct 6, 2019, at 9:35 AM, Donald Hellen <donhellen@...> wrote:

I own a senior group (not high school, senior citizens) and on occasion their messages are sent to the spam folder and when they try to delete the spam messages, it kicks them out of the group? Is there anyway I can disable that spam function for my group? Judy

I recognize that this varies depending on what method one uses to receive one’s email (go to the website, use a mail aggregator, use a Spam filtering app, etc), but won’t simply adding the Groups.io email address to one’s contact list or application solve many, if not most, of this problem?

I have a huge group email address with over 100 email addresses on it and I explicitly welcome new members with the strong admonition that they MUST add my email address to their Contacts or risk not receiving emails to that group email address.

The only email provider that does not seem to consistently work with is that damned Google Mail.

E.g. I sent a senior an email to his Gmail address explaining that the alert he had received from his web browser that the site he was trying to access was suspect was in fact a valid warning.

In that brief email, two or three sentences long, sent only to him, sent from the address I always use with him, I mentioned the address of the bad web site.

He sent me a screenshot of his Gmail inbox with my email: my email carried some “Hazardous to open” warning based, I am certain, on the fact that my email mentioned that bad web site.

Bob
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Judy . . .

On Sun, 6 Oct 2019 09:15:31 -0400, "Shadow Grafix"
<shadowgrafix@...> wrote:

I own a senior group (not high school, senior citizens) and on occasion their messages are sent to the spam folder and when they try to delete the spam messages, it kicks them out of the group? Is there anyway I can disable that spam function for my group? Judy

Unfortunately for them, it's an agreed-upon protocol many forums and
group sites have made with various email providers as a protection to
the users.

The members will have to lean to train their spam folders
appropriately and also to not delete groups.io messages in the spam
folder.

Web sites which do not adhere to this arrangement often find their
sites blacklisted, so this can't be turned off. It's the duty of the
members to see that their email is routed correctly and to not delete
those posts from the group.

They do get a link to reactivate their membership.

For a group like this, I would recommend sending out a special notice
often (at least monthly if not more often) explaining this and mention
that you are willing to help them learn how to set up their spam
filter correctly if you are willing to do so. For Roadrunner email,
just turn off the spam filter and have it send everything to the inbox
with the label SPAM added to the subject line. That way nothing
important ends up in there and you get a heads-up that a message MAY
(or may not) be spam. That's how I have mine set up. For other email
services, you'll have to learn how to handle those on an individual
basis but if it's important, it would be worth your while to help them
that way.

For now, I would send out an email about not marking messages as spam
nor deleting them from the spam folder if they are group posts. Then
you can work with them on an individual basis as this comes up.


Donald


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/g/CatVet (just launched)