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Re: Thread hijacking
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýHi Kathleen, ? I like your "tone" and message. I hope you don't mind if I "hijack" it in its entirety to post on our group. ? Ken ? "And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." God ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of KATHLEEN DESMAISONS
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2019 2:49 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [GMF] Thread hijacking ? ?I get very high compliance when I ask for paying attention. I think helping people to understand *why* something is important helps. And helping them to understand specifically what you are wanting helps. ?If I read ?
? I actually would not know what that means. So I probably wouldn¡¯t read the rest of the post. ? Here is a sample of what I might write to my groups ? **** ? Hi Guys, ? I want to speak a little about how our list can be more effective. I have noticed that a number of you are not paying attention to the subject line of our posts. ?It is very easy to just hit *reply* without connecting to the actual content of the post. ? This creates problems with our threads. The subject line might say HAMSTERS and the content might be about the amazon fires. So if someone is looking to learn about fires, they won¡¯t ever find the information. ? Do you have any thoughts about how we might remedy this problem? ? I sure would love to hear them. ?Thanks! ? *** ? So I think the *tone* is really important. If you are sort of beating people up, they will just tune out. So even if you are frustrated that they are not getting it, or seem to not care and you are really aggravated, if you can co e back to the task with a sense that maybe they are just not tuned into how it works. ? I honestly think that those of us who are more computer savvy forget that regular people just don¡¯t think the way we do :) ? I think of it as a nudge or a prompt¡.and it seems to work well. ? Anyway, that¡¯s my 2 cents for the day. ? Kathleen
On Aug 26, 2019, at 12:55 PM, Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote: ? Well, for what it's worth, here's my latest draft. If anyone has anything better, I'm always looking to improve. INSERT NAME HERE -- This is a reminder that the address for sending messages to the group is?[email protected]. Please populate this in the address book of your email client and use it to initiate
a message to the group. ? Kathleen DesMaisons, Ph.D. ? ? ? |
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Re: Thread hijacking
¿ªÔÆÌåÓý?I get very high compliance when I ask for paying attention. I think helping people to understand *why* something is important helps. And helping them to understand specifically what you are wanting helps. ?If I read Please populate this in the address book of your email client and use it to initiate a message to the group. I actually would not know what that means. So I probably wouldn¡¯t read the rest of the post. Here is a sample of what I might write to my groups **** I want to speak a little about how our list can be more effective. I have noticed that a number of you are not paying attention to the subject line of our posts. ?It is very easy to just hit *reply* without connecting to the actual content of the post. This creates problems with our threads. The subject line might say HAMSTERS and the content might be about the amazon fires. So if someone is looking to learn about fires, they won¡¯t ever find the information. Do you have any thoughts about how we might remedy this problem? I sure would love to hear them. ?Thanks! *** So I think the *tone* is really important. If you are sort of beating people up, they will just tune out. So even if you are frustrated that they are not getting it, or seem to not care and you are really aggravated, if you can co e back to the task with a sense that maybe they are just not tuned into how it works. I honestly think that those of us who are more computer savvy forget that regular people just don¡¯t think the way we do :) I think of it as a nudge or a prompt¡.and it seems to work well. Anyway, that¡¯s my 2 cents for the day. Kathleen
Kathleen DesMaisons, Ph.D. This is Grace unfolding, you are?not alone. |
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Re: Thread hijacking
Well, for what it's worth, here's my latest draft. If anyone has anything better, I'm always looking to improve.
B INSERT NAME HERE -- This is a reminder that the address for sending messages to the group [email protected]. Please populate this in the address book of your email client and use it to initiate a message to the group. Do?not?the "reply" function of your email client to start a new topic. If you do this, people on the receiving end can no longer figure out what the message is about by reading the subject line. This is known as "" and is considered bad netiquette. Worse, others will probably reply to the message, thus spreading the disease. So save the "reply" function for actual replies. Group members who repeatedly hijack threads will be placed on moderation; meaning all their group messages will be manually reviewed before being allowed to post. I don't want to do that, and you don't want me to do that.? Thanks in advance for your cooperation. Regards, The GROUPNAME group owner -- The system Help is your friend.??/static/help |
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Re: #question [about reposting messages]
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On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 11:57 AM, Scott Witzig wrote:
I have my settings for reposting set to Allow reposts after 0 days up to 3 times.It's only a guess on my part, but maybe you have to set it to at least one day?? (I think it would be overdoing it if you allowed reposts the same day as the original.) Duane -- Help: /static/help GMF's Wiki: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Search button at the top of Messages list A few site FAQs: /static/pricing#frequently-asked-questions |
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#question [about reposting messages]
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I have my settings for reposting set to Allow reposts after 0 days up to 3 times. ?However, when I click on a particular post that I'd like to repost (since I got no responses), it does absolutely nothing. ?Anyone know what I'm doing wrong?
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Re: Thread hijacking
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýI should explain my comment "This is the main reason the option to merge threads was developed."
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We see a number of people use the latest thread they've received to reply to a previous post. It makes no sense to me, but some folks are just glad they can get their thoughts to the group. Perhaps this has made me just a bit jaded about the subject.
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Re: Thread hijacking
¿ªÔÆÌåÓý> There's a handful of people in my group (and probably
>?every group) who are seemingly too lazy to compose
>?a new message with its own subject line and instead
>?hijack an existing thread every time they post.
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Depending on the demographics of your group, It may not all be laziness, Bruce. I have a number of members who don't even understand that they can actually change a subject of a thread and may not really know how to start a new subject. We're a historic group, and the old-timers have all the good stories and so?are very valuable to us?that way. We keep several of them on moderation so we can intercept and fix those posts and other problems.
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> Does anyone has a good member notice written up to
>?discourage this behavior? I'll reinvent the wheel if I
>?have to, but I hope I don't have to.
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Let us know what you come up with. As with any subset of the human population, there is that bottom 10% that will ignore all your pleas and just do what is easiest for them. Many of them will probably never have read your earlier post. Just look back at [GMF] and see how often the same questions recur. This is the main reason the option to merge threads was developed.
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Good luck!
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Re: Thread hijacking
On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 11:27 AM, Barbara Jean Jasen wrote:
Gradually drifting off-topic I can tolerate. What I'm talking about is posting something totally unrelated to the subject line. It would work if the group was moderated...but that would be punishing everyone for the transgressions of a few. Back to my original question: "Does anyone has a good member notice written up to discourage this behavior?" I'm looking for a gently-worded warning about what thread hijacking is and why it is bad that I can send to them before?taking the next step (i.e.: putting that individual on moderation). Thanks, Bruce -- The system Help is your friend.??/static/help |
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Re: Thread hijacking
Bruce, I have had this same thing happen in the past in my groups (only recently switching from yahoo to io.? And I admit that I myself have been a bit guilty of it. Mostly in the case of my groups it has been where one topic just merged into something new. Big question is the new subject totally far out from the original or somehow tied to the original subject. A suggestion would be to delete the post and notify the sender to resubmit it with a new subject line.? Would that work? Barbara Jean On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 8:00 AM Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote: There's a handful of people in my group (and probably every group) who are seemingly too lazy to compose a new message with its own subject line and instead hijack an existing thread every time they post. |
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Thread hijacking
There's a handful of people in my group (and probably every group) who are seemingly too lazy to compose a new message with its own subject line and instead hijack an existing thread every time they post.
Does anyone has a good member notice written up to discourage this behavior? I'll reinvent the wheel if I have to, but I hope I don't have to. I know I can put them on moderation but would prefer to fix the problem at the source. Thanks, Bruce -- The system Help is your friend.??/static/help |
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Re: Failed to send invite to member
Ian,
One invitation shows Status "Failed - 5.1.2".What Chris and Gerald said. If you pasted the email address in the form: Display Name <user@...> look carefully for errant spaces inside the <angle brackets>. I've had that failing when creating a list to Invite using Excel and it can be difficult to see (depending on font). Shal -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
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Re: Apparently An Inconsistency When Searching Through Groups.io's Archive
Marcio,
Well, that's what I was going to say :) it seems that /messages andYou are correct. The /messages page is a list of all the messages, ignoring each message's inclusion in a topic. A topic is a list of one or more messages that have the same Subject text. When you view a topic the Subject text is shown only at the top of the page, not repeated for each message shown below. The /topics page then is a list of all the topics. There are a variety of subtle differences between the /messages page and the /topics page. Some of the differences seem natural. For example on the /topics page next to the Subject of each topic is a count of the messages in that topic, if the count is greater than 1. That count wouldn't make any sense in the /messages page. On the other hand some of the differences seem questionable to me. For example, as we discussed the /topics page lacks the search by number box. Also, the /messages page lacks the "pinned" topic at the top. I get it, in the sense that each of those concepts goes with the other view, but nevertheless I believe it would be more convenient (and more consistent) to show each of those in both /messages and /topics so that the user doesn't have to switch views just to find them. Those may be all of the differences between the /messages and /topics pages, I'm not sure. I don't remember and I don't immediately see others at the moment. For further amusement check out the /expanded page. Basically the same as the /messages page, but showing the whole message bodies rather than linking to them. Shal -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
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