Re: Notice For a Message Needing Approval (i.e.: New Users Moderated)
I agree. This is why i don't really take he time to help anybody. It's called RTFM and I don't mean manual. I will admit I do skim but I tke note of the importent parts such as moderation etc etc etc.
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On 4 Jun 2019, at 10:11, Brian Vogel wrote:
People who don't bother to read group descriptions, welcome messages, and rules don't deserve much of any consideration, in my opinion. There is no other way to communicate with potential members other than these, and when you take the time to have put it in writing, there's nothing else you should do. It is the responsibility of any potential member of a cyber community to both read pre-subscription/posting information and to take the time to get the "lay of the land" in a given venue before diving in as though they own the place.? ?Any complaints that come because someone didn't read the welcome message, or similar, should be responded to with, "That information is contained in the welcome message, which you are expected to have read in its entirety before asking anything else." ? --
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Re: Notice For a Message Needing Approval (i.e.: New Users Moderated)
I?get messages saying I have to approve a member's email in my group when they are on moderation, ?but I don't get a message?when I send to a group that has me on moderation. I just don't see my email coming back to me or to the group until I get approved.
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All messages in this group?are being moderated before they pass them through and I have never received a notice telling me that any message I send is pending approval.
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I don't send them anything, I leave it to figure it out. By the way I do receive an email if my message needs approval so I dunno why your members don't.
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Re: Notice For a Message Needing Approval (i.e.: New Users Moderated)
By the way, if you are an owner or moderator, in the Subscription page for your group, you will have a section entitled Notifications that contains the following checkboxes:
Email when there are messages needing approval.
Email when there are members needing approval.
Email when a member joins/leaves this group.
Email when group storage limits are reached.
Email when someone reports a message.
Obviously, I get an e-mail message for any of the above since each one is checked.
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Re: Notice For a Message Needing Approval (i.e.: New Users Moderated)
On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 06:35 AM, Chris Jones wrote:
Regrettably he had a point when he said It won't help for those people that don't read the messages but it is a perfectly viable solution to the problem you wish to resolve, and avoids landing Mark with additional work which IMHO should not be necessary anyway.
People who don't bother to read group descriptions, welcome messages, and rules don't deserve much of any consideration, in my opinion. There is no other way to communicate with potential members other than these, and when you take the time to have put it in writing, there's nothing else you should do. It is the responsibility of any potential member of a cyber community to both read pre-subscription/posting information and to take the time to get the "lay of the land" in a given venue before diving in as though they own the place.? ?Any complaints that come because someone didn't read the welcome message, or similar, should be responded to with, "That information is contained in the welcome message, which you are expected to have read in its entirety before asking anything else." ? --
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Re: Notice For a Message Needing Approval (i.e.: New Users Moderated)
I don't send them anything, I leave it to figure it out. By the way I do receive an email if my message needs approval so I dunno why your members don't.
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I also send the members a pending application they need to fill out before I approve them. You can do that too and have that statement in that application.?I have the members initial each rule. Now again that is too easy too because they can initial without reading or understanding BUT if they come back to me saying why didn't my email go through right away - I can always refer them back to the paper they initialed which they should have read explaining it all.?
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On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 03:14 PM, Marcio wrote:
would like to know if there was any other way of letting the person know about their message needing aproval
They could, of course have a look at your group's home page where there is a list of Group Settings that include the use of moderation. At the same time if members used the web UI they would find that any post that requires moderation will result in a banner at the top advising them of the fact. IMO it is far, far too easy for people to sign up to a group without ever looking at the "rules and regulations" or having a good look around the web UI to find out what's what and then complain that they don't understand why "something happened" or "didn't happen" as the case may be. Speaking purely personally I will offer individual members some help, but I draw the line at nurse - maiding them; if they aren't prepared to try to find out for themselves why should I (or anyone else) have to put time and effort into doing everything for them? Perhaps I'm getting old and grumpy... :) In your position I would take up Duane's suggestion and put it in the Welcome Message; it will only take a few seconds to do and with luck it will reduce the number of times the question arises, hopefully to zero. Chris
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Re: HOW CAN SOMEONE SHARE IN A GROUP IF THEY ARE NOT A MEMBER?
On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 04:29 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
I agree with Shal that the first question to be answered is whether the offensive message actually appears in the online message archive. If not, then whoever sent it was spoofing the group address, not posting to it.
If this was caused by spoofing the group address then there has to be a risk that the material was not just "porn" but that it also contained a software nasty of some sort. I would suggest advising your members not to click on any links in any further suspect messages in case they contain a malicious payload. If they have their own virus protection then (hopefully) everything will be OK, but... Chris
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Re: QUESTION About joining Groups io
That is my gut feeling as to what happened.
But unless she paid for one?month premium membership in Groups IO?she couldn't
direct add these members to the IO group. She would have had to send them invites.
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Now - those members may be duped in?thinking it is the same group as the AOL group so they join.
When in fact the owners of the AOL group have nothing to do with the groups IO group.
So wouldn't that be fraud?
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<p>I think I know what happened as I've done this in the past. She basically collected the email addresses of the members of the AOL group with out anyone's permission and created the group on gropus.io. I have done this in the past with someone's permission. Yeah. I know exactly what she did, correct me if I'm wrong.</p>
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<p>You've said that several times, but I still don't know what you mean by "took your group". If she's not even a member of your group, in what way did she "take" it?</p>
<p>An external group (such as an AOL group, whatever that is), cannot be a member of a Groups.io group. Only individual email addresses can be added to a Groups.io group.</p>
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<p>>> Did she add your AOL group's posting address to a Groups.io group?<br />>><br />>> Did she collect the email addresses of your AOL group's members and<br />>> add them to a Groups.io group?<br />>><br />>> Or did she simply create a Groups.io group with the same name as your<br />>> AOL group?</p>
<p>If you don't understand my questions, please ask for clarification.</p>
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Re: QUESTION About joining Groups io
I know Lavon as she is in some of my groups.
I am going to write her off list and see?exactly what?went on.
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Let me jump in here... (etc) Now that explanation begins to make rather more sense, to me anyway! That does not, however, mean that I have a solution to the problem. Lavon's posts suggest that the miscreant isn't actually a member of the AOL group either, which I find a little baffling. If she is a member, then I would suggest removing her at once, assuming that that action is possible. I'm not suggesting that this proposal would work, but reporting the matter to [email protected] might be worth trying, but the report will have to be written very carefully to ensure its meaning is much clearer than the reports here. Mark may well see it as something that he can do little or nothing about, but I would expect there would be a better chance of a positive outcome if he can actually understand the problem; if he can't then the chances of him doing anything are non - existent. Chris
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On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 03:17 PM, Leeni wrote:
Let me jump in here... (etc)
Now that explanation begins to make rather more sense, to me anyway! That does not, however, mean that I have a solution to the problem. Lavon's posts suggest that the miscreant isn't actually a member of the AOL group either, which I find a little baffling. If she is a member, then I would suggest removing her at once, assuming that that action is possible. I'm not suggesting that this proposal would work, but reporting the matter to [email protected] might be worth trying, but the report will have to be written very carefully to ensure its meaning is much clearer than the reports here. Mark may well see it as something that he can do little or nothing about, but I would expect there would be a better chance of a positive outcome if he can actually understand the problem; if he can't then the chances of him doing anything are non - existent. Chris
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<div style="font-family: sans-serif;"> <div> <p>I think I know what happened as I've done this in the past. She basically collected the email addresses of the members of the AOL group with out anyone's permission and created the group on gropus.io. I have done this in the past with someone's permission. Yeah. I know exactly what she did, correct me if I'm wrong.</p> <p>Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP.<br /><br /><span style="font-size: 8pt;">[Unrelated sequence of links trimmed by Moderator]</span></p> <p>On 3 Jun 2019, at 22:29, Shal Farley wrote:</p> <blockquote> <p>Lavon,</p> <p>> she took our group and added the group to groups io</p> <p>You've said that several times, but I still don't know what you mean by "took your group". If she's not even a member of your group, in what way did she "take" it?</p> <p>An external group (such as an AOL group, whatever that is), cannot be a member of a Groups.io group. Only individual email addresses can be added to a Groups.io group.</p> <p>So that leaves me with the questions I asked before:</p> <p>>> Did she add your AOL group's posting address to a Groups.io group?<br />>><br />>> Did she collect the email addresses of your AOL group's members and<br />>> add them to a Groups.io group?<br />>><br />>> Or did she simply create a Groups.io group with the same name as your<br />>> AOL group?</p> <p>If you don't understand my questions, please ask for clarification.</p> <p>Perhaps you can describe what happened in greater detail.</p> <p>Shal</p> <p>-- <br />Help: <a href=" /static/help" rel="nofollow"> /static/help</a><br />More Help: <a href=" /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki" rel="nofollow"> /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki</a><br />Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list</p> <p> </p> </blockquote> </div> </div>
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Re: HOW CAN SOMEONE SHARE IN A GROUP IF THEY ARE NOT A MEMBER?
On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 10:17 AM, Kevin Conod wrote:
Or is it possible the group has an email integration active that? they don't know about?
That's certainly another possibility, in which case the porn would have arrived with an #email hashtag in the subject line. I agree with Shal that the first question to be answered is whether the offensive message actually appears in the online message archive. If not, then whoever sent it was spoofing the group address, not posting to it. Since there has been no follow-up on this we are left to speculate. Regards, Bruce -- The system Help is your friend.?? /static/help
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Re: Notice For a Message Needing Approval (i.e.: New Users Moderated)
I also send the members a pending application they need to fill out before I approve them. You can do that too and have that statement in that application.?I have the members initial each rule. Now again that is too easy too because they can initial without reading or understanding BUT if they come back to me saying why didn't my email go through right away - I can always refer them back to the paper they initialed which they should have read explaining it all.?
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would like to know if there was any other way of letting the person know about their message needing aproval They could, of course have a look at your group's home page where there is a list of Group Settings that include the use of moderation. At the same time if members used the web UI they would find that any post that requires moderation will result in a banner at the top advising them of the fact. IMO it is far, far too easy for people to sign up to a group without ever looking at the "rules and regulations" or having a good look around the web UI to find out what's what and then complain that they don't understand why "something happened" or "didn't happen" as the case may be. Speaking purely personally I will offer individual members some help, but I draw the line at nurse - maiding them; if they aren't prepared to try to find out for themselves why should I (or anyone else) have to put time and effort into doing everything for them? Perhaps I'm getting old and grumpy... :) In your position I would take up Duane's suggestion and put it in the Welcome Message; it will only take a few seconds to do and with luck it will reduce the number of times the question arises, hopefully to zero. Chris
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On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 03:14 PM, Marcio wrote:
would like to know if there was any other way of letting the person know about their message needing aproval
They could, of course have a look at your group's home page where there is a list of Group Settings that include the use of moderation. At the same time if members used the web UI they would find that any post that requires moderation will result in a banner at the top advising them of the fact. IMO it is far, far too easy for people to sign up to a group without ever looking at the "rules and regulations" or having a good look around the web UI to find out what's what and then complain that they don't understand why "something happened" or "didn't happen" as the case may be. Speaking purely personally I will offer individual members some help, but I draw the line at nurse - maiding them; if they aren't prepared to try to find out for themselves why should I (or anyone else) have to put time and effort into doing everything for them? Perhaps I'm getting old and grumpy... :) In your position I would take up Duane's suggestion and put it in the Welcome Message; it will only take a few seconds to do and with luck it will reduce the number of times the question arises, hopefully to zero. Chris
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Have it written on your homepage so members can see it before they join.
That is what I am going to do, plus add it to my Welcome Letter.
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It won't help for those people that don't read the messages, but I include this in our Welcome notice for new members
I thought of doing it, but would like to know if there was any other way of letting the person know about their message needing aproval. Thanks for your answer :) Cheers,
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Or is it possible the group has an email integration active that? they don't know about?
If the group owner has set up one of those and a spammer got a hold of that email address they could spam the list. If that's the case one could remove the integration or change the address.
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Re: QUESTION About joining Groups io
Let me jump in here (at least this is how?AOL groups?used to work)
AOL groups aren't like Groups IO, Google or Yahoo Groups
You don't send messages to a group site?and then the group site?sends?the messages out to it's members.?
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In an AOL group?when you share mail, they put everyone's email address in the To Field and then run into the
CC field if they need more room. Sometimes they would have initial senders who send mail to let's say
10 people and then those 10 people would send mail to whoever is on their list and so on and so on
showing everyone's email address who is being sent mail in the TO or CC field.
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So if the wrong person gets to see those AOL messages they have everyone's email address of the group.
That is why?AOL groups really aren't safe groups because someone like whoever
Lavon is talking about can see those email addresses and send mail or invites or whatever to all those members of
that group. So this person was able to send mail to everyone on Lavon's AOL group's list because she had access to
their emails. That is how she was able to send mail to the group without being a member of the group.
That is also why etiquette of email sending using the BCC field when sending to multiple groups or people aren't being followed in AOL groups which can lead to spam or in this case sending out messages and invites to these AOL members.
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I am not completely sure what Lavon is talking about but I think that person took the name of
Lavon's group and created a groups IO group using the same name. From that point I am lost too.
Maybe that person sent out invites to the members of the AOL group and some joined and thus had the same name
as a Groups IO group. If that is the case the only wrong doing was the member who sent out unsolicited invites.
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Groups IO isn't in the wrong. How does Groups IO know that someone else is using the name for a group that another person is using from a group set up somewhere else?
I also think what Lavon is trying to say is she wants that Groups IO group that this Lady set up using the name of her group closed.
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So, if she's not a member of your AOL group, how do her messages in a
groups.io group get transmitted to your AOL group members? Does your AOL
group allow non-members to post to the group? Can't your AOL group block
her messages?
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I don't know anything about AOL, but I would expect that AOL's group
software allows your group's owners / moderators to remove, ban, or
otherwise block her (or anyone) from posting to the group.
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"Were"? Presumably you still _are_ an active AOL group.
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I'm still failing to understand how she and her Groups.io group(s) are
causing a problem for your AOL group.
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Can you describe for me a sequence of events?
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1) She posts to a Groups.io group that she created.
2) That message goes out to the members of her Groups.io group.
3) If your AOL group's posting address is in her Groups.io group's
membership then a copy of her message arrives at your AOL group.
4) It is at this point that I'd expect your AOL group software to reject
her message (because she's not a member of your AOL group).
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That should be the end of it, her message doesn't reach you or your AOL
Group's other members.
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Where has my understanding failed?
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Re: Notice For a Message Needing Approval (i.e.: New Users Moderated)
Duane,
It won't help for those people that don't
read the messages, but I include this in our Welcome notice for
new members
I thought of doing it, but would like to know if there was any
other way of letting the person know about their message needing
aproval.
Thanks for your answer :)
Cheers,
AKA Starboy
Sent from a galaxy far, far away.
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On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 10:36 AM, Duane wrote:
but I include this in our Welcome notice for new members:
I came back to make the same point but Duane beat me to it! Regrettably he had a point when he said It won't help for those people that don't read the messages but it is a perfectly viable solution to the problem you wish to resolve, and avoids landing Mark with additional work which IMHO should not be necessary anyway. Chris Chris
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but simply adding you to a group wouldn't ordinarily be a violation Interesting. In my country adding someone to the group (mail list) without his consent or his request is against the law.
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On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 02:57 AM, Marcio wrote:
Of course this was because she needed to be approved before posting (this was her first post on the group).
It won't help for those people that don't read the messages, but I include this in our Welcome notice for new members: "All new members will have their messages moderated (checked) before they will be posted.? There may be delays, sometimes extended, depending on when a moderator can get to it.? After you've made a few posts and we know that you're following the Guidelines, the delay will be removed.? It may be returned at a later time though if your posts don't meet the Guidelines." Duane -- Help: /static/helpGMF's Wiki: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiSearch button at the top of Messages list A few site FAQs: /static/pricing#frequently-asked-questions
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