On Thu, Jun 15, 2023 at 11:30 PM, SafeTex wrote:

And how should modified headers be controlled? I mean where the header gets modified by the user or their software and then appears like a separate topic with a similar name

The site does its best to keep that from happening.? It checks to see if there's and In-Reply-To header to connect it to a message.? If there is none, it check subject lines from up to 3 days ago in an attempt to keep things properly threaded.

It also ignores many of the common reply indicators such as Re: when trying to figure out where an emailed message should go.? If you consistently see one that isn't ignored, you can report it on the beta group and Mark may add it in.? That sometimes happens with languages other than English.

Duane
--
Lots of detailed information can be found in the Owners Manual and Members Manual.

Tex,

Also don't overlook that fact that if even one keystroke in the subject line of a reply to an existing topic is changed, deleted or added (even a blank space) then the system recognizes it as a different topic and therefore it is not threaded.

OK — HTH

Paul M.
==

开云体育

/g/GroupManagersForum/message/44002
and
/g/GroupManagersForum/topic/99392063#44058

This is because those are two different views as Frances said.?

The first one is a direct link to a message in (single) Message view, so it displays just that message (the number is the message id) with the rest of the thread collapsed, but which you can expand, when you click the View All x Messages In Topic.? That changes the link to the second one, a link to the Topic view which comes already expanded, but with also a reference (#44058) to the particular message so the view autoscrolls down so the referenced message comes into the screen; if that reference hadn't been provided, i.e. the link was just /g/GroupManagersForum/topic/99392063, you would be viewing the first message in that thread instead.?

So the same (expanded) Topic+Message reference link for the first example you provided would be /g/GroupManagersForum/topic/99338271 or /g/GroupManagersForum/topic/99338271#44002 if you wanted to focus on that particular message, and the corollary for the second example, the direct link to the message would be, /g/GroupManagersForum/message/44058.

As to which one gets used, it depends on what button or link you clicked while online, or how the link was provided by the sender in their message.

Cheers,
Christos

Just something - on the group home page you can have your messages grouped by topic, by messages and by expanded messages.?

About similar topics that should be one topic - you can merge them. All in the help.?

Frances
--
Help available from Groups.io help and GMF wiki.

?

Hello everyone

I know this is partly to do with things getting added to headers like "Re" but if you take two recent threads in this very group,

/g/GroupManagersForum/message/44002
and
/g/GroupManagersForum/topic/99392063#44058

the first one only appears just once on my web browser with 9 messages if you open it will the second one appears multiple times with 45 messages if you open any one of them

I see to that when I copied the links to discuss this, one link includes the word "message" and the other one "topic".

That aside, this behaviour has always confused me and is another reason why I find the IO group forum hard to follow at times plus it eats up my screen estate (the second thread).

And how should modified headers be controlled? I mean where the header gets modified by the user or their software and then appears like a separate topic with a similar name

Thanks

On Thu, Jun 15, 2023 at 07:42 PM, Larry Finch wrote:

So should certainly support it.

Groups.io doesn't "support" any format.? The images are just stored on the site (actually at AWS) and fed to your browser.? The browser is what has to be able to open them.

Duane
--
Lots of detailed information can be found in the Owners Manual and Members Manual.

On Thu, Jun 15, 2023 at 02:14 PM, Mike Hanauer wrote:

I would love to see groups.io accept the .heic photo format.

Mike -- Changing the subject line so as not to hijack the previous thread.

The main problem is that HEIC is a proprietary format. As such, many browsers won't display them.

Regards,
Bruce

---

Check out the groups.io Help Center?and?groups.io Owners Manual

On Thu, Jun 15, 2023 at 01:14 PM, Mike Hanauer wrote:

I would love to see groups.io accept the .heic photo format. It is much smaller and/or higher resolution than .jpg.

?

Is this being considered?

There's nothing that I know of to keep you from uploading or attaching them, other than a lot of people won't be able to open them.

Duane
--
Lots of detailed information can be found in the Owners Manual and Members Manual.

On Thu, Jun 15, 2023 at 08:25 AM, Jeremy Harrison wrote:

But for member with Max Attachment size '500kB', the attached e-mail arrives with attachments replaced by links - not as expected. (As attachments are only 433kB)

That's correct.? Remember that emailed attachments are up to 50% larger than the actual file because of overhead.

Duane
--
Lots of detailed information can be found in the Owners Manual and Members Manual.

Attachments are JPGs. Post is e-mail sent from Thunderbird (e-mail program), which shows sent e-mail as having 2 attachments, 433kB; and sent e-mail size as 597kB.
On receipt (from Groups.io) Thunderbird shows it as having 2 attachments, 467 kB, with e-mail size of 652kB - for member with Max Attachment size 'unlimited'

But for member with Max Attachment size '500kB', the attached e-mail arrives with attachments replaced by links - not as expected. (As attachments are only 433kB)

Jeremy?

On Wed, Jun 14, 2023 at 10:08 PM, Jeremy Harrison wrote:

I ask having had unexpected results from a post with two attachments totalling about 450 kB.

You might tweak your preferences about size.

Or perhaps there is a problem with your attachments? What kind of attachments? Are you using the paperclip icon or the Add Pictures icon?

Frances
?
--
Help available from Groups.io help and GMF wiki.

?

On Wed, Jun 14, 2023 at 10:08 PM, Jeremy Harrison wrote:

Is the test for 'Max Attachment Size' done on the (total) attachments (only) size, (as one would expect), or on the total message size (including attachments, text, headings, ....)?

?See?/helpcenter/ownersmanual/1/viewing-and-managing-your-group-s-storage?single=true

Frances
--
Help available from Groups.io help and GMF wiki.

?

A follow up query, if anybody is able to elucidate:
Is the test for 'Max Attachment Size' done on the (total) attachments (only) size, (as one would expect), or on the total mesage size (including attachments, text, headings, ....)?

I ask having had unexpected results from a post with two attachments totalling about 450 kB.

Jeremy?

开云体育

I have no plan to add a discussion group to this group. In view of that, do you still think it's a mistake to leave it open for viewing and for membership?

Personally, if it was my group, I'd have it Announcement-Only as you have, with access to the Directory and Member List disabled, and public I guess would be OK, as long as I have it setup so new applicants have to be approved, and also set a Pending Membership questionnaire notice so they can reply to let you know why they want to join.? That should help safeguard against most of the undesirables, as most of the times they don't bother replying to the questionnaire.? Another advantage of screening applicants is that IIRC, just like the Welcome notice that Pending Membership notice doesn't contain any boilerplate text.

For example, if I meet someone at a gig and they want to get announcements of my?gigs, could I not just invite them to join?

Yes, and that would be the preferable way since those folks don't get that questionnaire notice (since you invited them it is assumed they are legit), so as long as they accept the invitation they become members right away.? It's like DirectAdd in a sense but the difference is the member has to "push" the final button to become member instead of being added by you, so the onus is on them to actively do something to become a member, which also more-or-less verifies they are interested in joining.? Leave DirectAdd when you're dealing with someone maybe not computer-savvy, or having email problems, etc.? Invired members will get just the Welcome notice (from your group after accepting the invitation, they may also get a system generated notice beforehand if they had to create a new groups.io account)

Cheers,
Christos

On Wed, Jun 14, 2023 at 03:26 PM, Peter S. Shenkin wrote:

What would be the downside of that, and what alternative might be better??

Since it is an announcement only group, probably no downside.

You could add a footer that is added automatically to each message -?
In Admin, Settings, Message Formatting.

Perhaps you could put "Find me online at (put your groups.io account) or through Google."

Frances

--
Help available from Groups.io help and GMF wiki.

?

开云体育

The issue for me isn't privacy but a more user-friendly atmosphere. So I don't mind people I don't know joining and looking in.

You should be very careful having your group wide-open like that and also public, especially if you create a discussion subgroup, as spammers/scammers will eventually sneak in if the front door is open.

Cheers,
Christos