I have no idea what you're trying to say below, but... if a group isn't run by a governmental entity there's no problem with rules that restrict the type of speech allowed. And even in a governmentally run group, there's no problem with insisting that posters be both civil and on topic.

Jim H



Received from Ken Schweizer at 12/4/2018 01:02 AM UTC:

Abuse is abuse, and should be stopped. Moderate every new member until you are sure who they are. I Own lots of fully-moderated Groups, because we are technical-advice forums and we deprecate the usual myths, misinformations, and utter rubbish that gets posted and reposted otherwise. We state this clearly in the Group descriptions and we do reject quite a lot of posts (not least because we ask that all previous content is trimmed)
So, the phrase to use is "This is not a Democracy" - and if your unmodded members are repeating posts verbatim, I suggest you put them on moderation too, until they learn not to do that..
Rudeness can be useful, but hate speech and the like are actually unlawful, unpleasant, and un-called-for..?
And, I'm in the UK, so no Amendments apply, but even in the US, you don't have the right to be obnoxious repeatedly, and I always have the right to tell you to get lost
HH
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Hi,

The group settings are "Hashtags Required" and Bounced if hashtag not in the list.
After sending a mail to the list without hashtag in the subject, it bounces back, with a link /editsubject/somenumber in the message.

So far so good.

But from there, after adding a mandatory hashtag (selected from the pull down list), and hitting Update And Send, I have no idea where the message goes. It doesn't shows up in the Pending list or nowhere.

I tried everything in the test group without success. What am I doing wrong ?

Thank you,
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I don't think you are "Congress", you aint making no "Law".?
As a group owner, you are protecting your "constituents" and the interests of the group.
Don't ,make yourself ill trying to please everyone. been there, doing that, done that....looking for my t-shirt.
Your group, your rules....it's that simple.?

73
Gary MacGregor
Owner of?
South Texas Hams
South Texas Hamfest
South Texas Hamfest Association
And many more.
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Thanks Marv and others!
This abusive person had one agenda that the rest of? us have rejected several years ago.
The discussion then was intense, but the opinion of thoughtful people was sought.
All of the rest (1000 or so) of us have moved on.
But this one person keeps bringing it up. He is polite but the fact that he has signed up with now 5 different usernames tell me a lot.
Trouble is that everyone who supported me (Owned and Moderator) in this situation includes his message, and does not delete it. He won't move on because he is in the same "hobby" as the rest of us.
The advice to just silence him is good and is working.
But now some people say that I am in violation of the First Amendment.
Instead of quoting the significant words.......Congress shall? make no law........I just let them go read it so that no discussion on that appears.
So silence is best!
Richard

On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 07:13 AM, Beth Weld wrote:

I don't see that subgroup using the main Subgroups menu because I'm not a member.? If I go under Admin and select Subgroups, I can see all of them, and I just checked the box related to that new subgroup to become a member.? Interesting note - I show as an Owner; not as a Parent Owner which is a nit but interesting difference than expected.? I don't think I should actively have to do that, but maybe I don't understand what an owner really has access to automatically.

After you click on the main Subgroups (SG) option, a page should open that can have 3 sections, Main Group, Subgroups You Belong To, and Subgroups You Can Join.? If you're not a member of the SG, it will be in the last section.? Since you are now a Member of the SG, it will show you as Owner.? The Parent Owner only shows up if you're not a member of that SG, but own the group.? I can't think of any way that you wouldn't be able to see the new SG on the SG page someplace.

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Thanks everyone,
Duane,
I don't see that subgroup using the main Subgroups menu because I'm not a member.? If I go under Admin and select Subgroups, I can see all of them, and I just checked the box related to that new subgroup to become a member.? Interesting note - I show as an Owner; not as a Parent Owner which is a nit but interesting difference than expected.? I don't think I should actively have to do that, but maybe I don't understand what an owner really has access to automatically.

I have a new moderator setting up subgroups so I'm trying make sure that I have given her the correct permissions to do her job and also be able to confirm that everything is working correctly.
Thanks again
Beth

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Febe,

I was far more concerned about a new subscriber having access to our
databases of information..

One technique I've heard of for dealing with this is to use the primary group as a introductory area for new members, and have one or more subgroups for "inner circle" members.

This allows you to keep sensitive information (messages, files, etc.) limited to "inner circle" members, while still having useful conversations and content that is less sensitive available to the the general membership of the primary group. Depending on the nature of your group the primary could even be unrestricted membership, while keeping membership in the "inner circle"(s) restricted.

Whether this would work for you depends a lot on the nature of the group, and whether there's a natural dividing line between general information and sensitive information, such that it would be easy and obvious for your inner circle members to know where a post or an upload belongs.

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Chris,

I initiated a transfer of messages from our Yahoo group on Nov 19th.

It may be extra delayed due to Mark's vacation on Thanksgiving week.

The status says that the transfer is in process and it appears that
the transfer agent accepted the invitation to the Y group since it now
shows as a member.

If the status text says that the transfer is in process then you must have already promoted the transfer agent to moderator, and clicked the "Give Go Ahead to Transfer" button.

If that's not true then something is confused. You should have previously seen the screen shown at the bottom of Step 2 in GMF's wiki page, that's where the go-ahead button is:
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Transfer-from-Yahoo-Groups#Step-2-E28094-Invite-the-Transfer-Agent

If both of those are true, and you're at the screen shown at the bottom of Step 4 then there's nothing more you need do but wait for the completion notice. Also, the status page will change to show completion as shown in the Afterward section.

If all looks well with the status page I'd suggest giving it a few more days to complete, especially if the Yahoo group has a large amount of content. Sometimes the agent runs into delays or other trouble accessing content from Yahoo. Watch your email for notices, and check the status page every day or so.

Shal


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Hello -?

I initiated a transfer of messages from our Yahoo group on Nov 19th. The status says that the transfer is in process and it appears that the transfer agent accepted the invitation to the Y group since it now shows as a member.

I do understand that there is manual intervention required by groups.io. I'm trying to be patient but I'm wondering at what point, if any, I should take additional action.

I agree. About fifteen years ago I was co-moderator of a group that was a mess. Flame wars, off-topic posts. It was a group devoted to one facet of industrial history in the Northeast, When a thread about the best route to Florida from Chicago (???) turned into a thread about where you used to be able to get the best hot dogs, the owner said ENOUGH!! He told me that we had to clean up the group or he was going to delete it.

Moderation works. And we didn't delete many messages. But when we did it was without any explanation. (That just sets off an argument.) We also discovered that some of the borderline abusive posts lost their edge if we just held them, maybe for 24 hours. Then release them and, no one reacted or cared. The discussion had moved on, the participants were no longer steamed up. The trolls gave up, one by one. We had a few left, one or two, but they were mostly ignored as a boring distraction.?

The group became so well-behaved and relevant, a historical society devoted to pretty much the same thing, asked would we be interested in affiliating with them. Become their OFFICIAL message board. Would we be interested? We would!

tommy0421

Hi all,

This week's change log, possibly covering Thanksgiving week as well:



Feel free to reply to this topic if you'd like to comment on the
changes. Or better yet, if you expect a lot of discussion start a new
topic (or rejoin an existing one) about a specific change.

If there's anyone here who uses the API please identify and comment on any API-related changes that would be significant to API users. I don't and wouldn't know what to comment on.

CHANGE: Text changes to the Update File/Update Folder dialogs in the
Files section.

Had been Edit File/Edit Folder. The more significant change is the addition of a sentence under the Browse control that says what it does.

NEW: Added advanced subscription option badges to the Delivery column
in the Members page.

Thanks Frances!

CHANGE: Because of a policy change at Gmail, we are now re-writing the
From line for messages sent back to senders that have gmail.com
email addresses.

As many here noticed, the recent policy change at Gmail was the addition of a warning banner on received messages that are From yourself.
/g/GroupManagersForum/topic/28241984

CHANGE: Show your email address in the footers for digests and summary
emails.
CHANGE: Tweaked the wording a bit on the Yahoo transfer page.

Ok, I've got wiki pages to update.


Comments about these others are also welcome:

BUGFIX: We would not display messages correctly if they were plain
text only and had a really long line.
BUGFIX: Changed the included ICS attachment in event notification
emails to work around a Gmail bug that would sometimes display one
part of a repeating event with the wrong day.
BUGFIX: Made checkboxes for moderator/owner notifications screen
reader accessible.
NEW: If there is an error adding an email alias, don't collapse the
email alias display (which hides the error).
NEW: Use the group default time and date format settings when
generating event notice/reminder emails.
INTERNAL: Unbounced Cox.net members who had been bounced over the past
30 days (because of Cox's email issues).
NEW: Now tracking bounce probe deliveries.
BUGFIX: In some instances we would send a daily summary to a pending
subscriber.

Please call out any you find significant.

Shal


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Alan,

I have a few groups that I am the owner of and I am subscribe to many
other groups. My question is when I change my email address will that
automatically update to the group ...

Yes.

In fact, changing your email address via your Account page is the only way to change your subscribed address.

The only thing else you can do is re-subscribe under the new address, but that loses the connection to your content and fails to carry forward your role (owner, moderator), permissions, or subscription options.

If your group is Premium a moderator of the group (possibly yourself) can edit your email address from your entry in the Members list of the group, but I'm not certain what ramifications that might have for your other group memberships. It is probably the same as editing it in your Account page, but I'm not 100% certain of that.

Shal


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If you change it on your Account page, it should be changed everyplace.? I haven't done this, so can't guarantee it, but according to the Wiki page here, it should be a snap.? Maybe someone that has can verify before you change it, in case there are any 'gotchas' to watch for.

Duane
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