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Hi Georgette,

Thanks for clarifying your statement. It sounds as though we are in
agreement that having a whole grain pasta is something to do only
occasionally. Not everyone on the board is aware of the core plan of
the diet. We have about 200 new members every month in our group so I
like to try to make it clear for them as to what Dr. Budwig wrote in
her books as they begin this new way of eating. I appreciate your
message.

Sandra

"gypsy21074" wrote:

Sandra,
I replied to the original question if pasta made of buckwheat flour

is safe or "unsafe".

To avoid confusion, I should have said: "Dr. Budwig highly
recommends grains."
I did not promote pasta as a main core of the diet. I assumed

everyone on this board was aware of the principals of the Budwig
Diet. At the same time, I do not see any harm having a pasta (made of
grain flour, all natural) salad with vegetables occasionally to enjoy
eating. This diet is for life and it has to be enjoyable. In my mind,
it is not the same as having a piece of steak for the sake of
enjoyment. I hope I did not create any further confusion.

Georgette

"Sandra Olson" wrote:

Georgetta writes that Dr. Budwig "highly recommends grain

products." This is a little confusing to me. Dr. Budwig recommended
whole grains, but not grain 'products' such as pasta or bread in her
recipes for the unwell. Georgette, maybe I'm just misinterpretting
your use of the word 'products.'

Someone mentioned a cat scan and MRI if you have pain, I had agonizing pain for more than a year, the doctors couldnt find anything. Finally I sought out a highly recommended doctor (not an oncologist) who ordered a myelogram which showed mets on the nerves of my spine. They were barely visible and the MRI and CAT scan had showed nothing. Prior to that myelogram, the doctors treated me like a crazy woman and I began to wonder the same thing. Like I was making up the pain!

So I say consider strongly that it is healing but also make sure your doctor has done his or her job.

Best wishes,
Jennifer

Chinyen

I wonder is your mum drinking the juice on an empty stomach? I know, even
before the cancer, I could never drink certain juice undiluted, nor on an
empty stomach. I just found it too acidic.

Michele

Sandra,

Just shortly because it's Sunday night and I have to get ready for a
business trip tomorrow morning.

I replied to the original question if pasta made of buckwheat flour is
safe or "unsafe".

To avoid confusion, I should have said: "Dr. Budwig highly
recommends grains."

I did not promote pasta as a main core of the diet. I assumed everyone
on this board was aware of the principals of the Budwig Diet. At the
same time, I do not see any harm having a pasta (made of grain flour,
all natural) salad with vegetables occasionally to enjoy eating. This
diet is for life and it has to be enjoyable. In my mind, it is not the
same as having a piece of steak for the sake of enjoyment.

I hope I did not create any further confusion.

Georgette

--- In FlaxSeedOil2@..., "Sandra Olson" <sanols02@...>
wrote:

Hi Everyone,

Georgetta writes

that Dr. Budwig "highly recommends grain products." This is a little
confusing to me. Dr. Budwig recommended whole grains, but not
grain 'products' such as pasta or bread in her recipes for the
unwell. Georgette, maybe I'm just misinterpretting your use of the
word 'products.'

Georgeta, thanks for the correction. It really matters, Rhoda

Hi Everyone,

I want to add a few notes to this topic. While I believe that some
flour products made with whole grains can occasionally be used on the
Budwig plan, they are not recommended in any of Dr. Budwig's
printings of her diet plan. Neither pasta nor bread is named in the
recommendations for meals in the 1999 book, Cancer - the Problem and
the Solution or the patient's diet guide from the year 2000 that we
have in our files. In the Oil-Protein Diet Cookbook, pasta is not
recommended and bread is not part of the actual protocol but is
mentioned as something oleolux can be used with. Georgetta writes
that Dr. Budwig "highly recommends grain products." This is a little
confusing to me. Dr. Budwig recommended whole grains, but not
grain 'products' such as pasta or bread in her recipes for the
unwell. Georgette, maybe I'm just misinterpretting your use of the
word 'products.'

What Dr. Budwig did recommend in the writings that I named above are
the following: first - her favorite, because it is high in nutrition
and easy to digest - whole grain buckwheat or buckwheat groats. She
repeats it in six recipes in the section on starches for dinner. Six
recipes to me means that it's important. She stated on page 77 of the
O-P Diet Cookbook, "Buckwheat, which is so important for the unwell,
can be simply boiled daily and used as a neutral sidedish to
vegetables."

Buckwheat is one of the few foods that has a good amount of magnesium
in it, which is an extremely important mineral. So, I would recommend
having whole grain buckwheat at least two or three times a week.

She names whole unpolished rice [page 76] and uses rice in several
recipes. She also names lentils, peas, beans and potatoes as starches
that can be used with cooked vegetables. In the 1999 book she adds
millet to the list. In one recipe in the O-P Cookbook, she uses
soya flour and whole wheat flour in a soup. So, Melissa, she didn't
totally rule out wheat.

She also wrote that we should eat as naturally as possible. To me,
all of this means that we should be eating what she recommends MOST
of the time in order to get the full benefit of the healthiest foods.
Then, on occasion, have a whole grain pasta or some Ezekiel bread or
a tortilla as a change of pace. But don't make pastas or breads a key
part of your diet. Make JB's recommendations a key part of your
daily diet, especailly buckwheat.

Sandra

"Melissa" wrote:

...I can have PASTA as long as it's spelt or somethng like that? you

have made my day almost as much as Rhoda did when she suggested the
Ezekiel tortilla pizza!...could someone tell me what the bad thing is
about whole wheat? I'm not eating it because everyone said not to,
but why not? Is the gluten bad or is it only bad for people
sensitive to it? Or is it just because there are numerous other
grains that are better than wheat for us?

"gypsy21074" wrote:

...Dr. Budwig highly recommends grain products.
The pasta in question does not contain gluten, which is the protein

in the wheat, MSG, GMO's and does not contain eggs, and therefore it
is in compliance with the Budwig diet.

There are many different flours are available, which are made of

grains (rye, buckwheat, brown rice, quinoa, etc.), and they are all
natural, gluten free, wheat free, GMO free, eggs free, etc. All of
these products are Budwig diet comparable. Georgette

Hi Bronwynn,
I greatly admire your grit and tenacity. So sorry that you feel shot down
and unsupported in the group. You have overcome enormous odds.
A couple of months ago, someone was shot down for saying that she
exercises, and love what she does. Frankly, I think it was no one's business
to jump on her.I've been a coward, and keep my somewhat maverick views to
myself. Maybe we all need to learn to listen more clearly to each other,

Leave your apartment. Go out in the world! Dance and Sing, or whatever ways
you choose to celebrate life.

A Jewish toast to all of us. L'Chaim - To Life. and Shalom, Peace.
Rhoda

Melissa,

There are other grain tortillas with similar properties of the Ezekiel
product.

French Meadow Bakery makes "Fat Flush" 100% flourless organic
sprouted tortillas. No yeast, no added oil, no baking powder.

Note: Both the Ezekiel and French Meadow products contain wheat. Use
your judgmentfor the frequency of use!

Georgette

--- In FlaxSeedOil2@..., "Melissa" <melissabuhmeyer@...>
wrote:

Georgette ... you're kidding me????? I can have PASTA as long as it's

spelt or somethng

like that????!!!!!! Oh my goodness, you have made my day almost as

much as Rhoda did

when she suggested the Ezekiel tortilla pizza!!!!!

xxoo
Melissa

Hi Raven, quick thoughts.
first, the wrapping on the unrefrigerated Ezekial bread is exactly the
same.
Second. What's wrong with gluten?
Third: If Ezekial bread is made from whole sprouted grains, and wheat
berries have gluten, the EZ has it too.

Confused while on the road, Rhoda

Hi, Anthea, fat free yogurt and cottage cheese are BEST. Best is with the
least additives, and organic if possible. If you are in the USA, Nancy's
organic cottage cheese is great. Sugar is a definite NO in any form, Rhoda

Ground flax seed.

It begins to lose electrons slowly. It does not become rancid, it does not
lose food value so quickly. When I'm out and about, I grind mine, put it in
an airtight baggie, and place it in an ice sandwich.
Some immerse it in honey to keep air out, calling it linomel. Does that
prevent it from losing electrons? I don't know. I do know that it's just one
more step and unwanted extra calories. We all make choices in order to live
our lives. Rhoda

Melissa,

I am serious. Dr. Budwig DID recommend grains. She did not recommend
unbleached wheat (flour), eggs, which are the components of the
traditional pasta.

In health food stores, you can buy all natural pastas, with no
GMO's, eggs and/or preservatives in all shapes and sizes, made of
different grains.

If buckwheat is recommended, why pasta made of buckwheat flour would be
forbidden?

I hope I made your day. Enjoy your PASTA!

Get well Girl! I still have a long way to go (due to my leg injury)
before I can go back to agility. We both will get back to the ring, I
promise, and we will compete against each other. ;-)) Love,

Georgette

--- In FlaxSeedOil2@..., "Melissa" <melissabuhmeyer@...>
wrote:

Georgette ... you're kidding me????? I can have PASTA as long as it's

spelt or somethng

like that????!!!!!! Oh my goodness, you have made my day almost as

much as Rhoda did

when she suggested the Ezekiel tortilla pizza!!!!!

And, on that note, could someone tell me what the bad thing is about

whole wheat? I'm

not eating it because everyone said not to, but why not? Is the gluten

bad or is it only bad

for people sensitive to it? Or is it just because there are numerous

other grains that are

better than wheat for us?

xxoo
Melissa

--- In FlaxSeedOil2@..., "gypsy21074" gpalinkas@ wrote:

The word "processed" is frequently used incorrectly on this
board. Dr Budwig cautioned against CHEMICAL PROCESSING.

Every cooked food is "processed" but not by chemical processes.

The flax oil is "processed" through a chemical-free mechanical
process but this "process" is not harmful. The oil is pressed in
a heat-controlled environment to keep temperatures below 120 degrees

F.

It is important to differentiate between processes by some type of
handling and chemical processes.

Regarding the pasta, Dr. Budwig did not recommended pasta because

the

traditional pasta contains bleached wheat flour and eggs.

Dr. Budwig highly recommends grain products.

The pasta in question does not contain gluten, which is the protein

in

the wheat, MSG, GMO's and does not contain eggs, and therefore it is
in compliance with the Budwig diet.

There are many different flours are available, which are made of

grains

(rye, buckwheat, brown rice, quinoa, etc.), and they are all

natural,

gluten free, wheat free, GMO free, eggs free, etc. All of these

products

are Budwig diet comparable.

Georgette

--- In FlaxSeedOil2@..., Melissa Buhmeyer
<melissabuhmeyer@> wrote:

Margie sez:

"Also I bought the Orgran buckwheat pasta, is
this safe? I don't want to use these things if not 100% safe."

Margie, I don't think pasta is allowed ... it's processed and

that's

not preferable ... someone please correct me if I'm wrong ...

xxooo
Melissa

Georgette ... you're kidding me????? I can have PASTA as long as it's spelt or somethng
like that????!!!!!! Oh my goodness, you have made my day almost as much as Rhoda did
when she suggested the Ezekiel tortilla pizza!!!!!

And, on that note, could someone tell me what the bad thing is about whole wheat? I'm
not eating it because everyone said not to, but why not? Is the gluten bad or is it only bad
for people sensitive to it? Or is it just because there are numerous other grains that are
better than wheat for us?

xxoo
Melissa

Chemo and the Budwig Diet have the opposite goals. Chemo tries to
prevent growth of the cancer cells and kill them (among healthy cells).
The Budwig Diet tries to transform the cancer cells into healthy cells
by oxygen delivery.

Having said that, yes, you can use chemo in parallel with the Budwig
Diet as many members of this group do. The Budwig Diet is a very
healthy, balanced diet, and if nothing else, it will support the immune
system during chemotherapy.

Dr. Budwig was very much against the growth-inhibiting effects of the
traditional chemo and/or radiation therapy. She did not accept patients
who were on traditional therapy. Her diet does not go against
chemotherapy but chemotherapy more than likely makes her diet
ineffective. She stated this in several of her books.

However, she cured many very sick patients with her protocol, including
the diet, who were not helped by the traditional medicine.

Georgette

Bronwynn,

Your list looks complete. On the ground flaxseed you were advised to mix with honey. If that does not work it may be best to either consume the seeds before you leave or when you come home or skip for that occasional day. Rancid oil from seed or nuts I think would be more harmful than good.

When we were in Cal. we use to go to the beach. So IN is a little too far for a day visit to the beach.

Best to you,
Nelson


*Pre-grind flaxseeds to add to the juice (I know I run the risk of them going rancid but I simply refuse to take a coffee grinder to the beach !! :) - There are no outlets there. :))

can one do BP while on chemo?

Apologies to you Loretta. You asked to be written personally and I started to do that and then realized that I really wanted to write the group. And what I want to say is that the thing I have found so great about this chat is that there is no teaching, no preaching. Advice and support when we need it. Love. Compassion.
As for not wanting to live sometimes - gosh, that seems so appropriate. Cancer put me in a wheelchair. Lesson or not, the loss of my ability to walk has been devastating. And sure sometimes I wake up in the morning and think "Well what for?" and then I say a prayer, get of bed, and do the best I can.
And I'm guessing some of us here do the same thing. A day at a time.
Peace to all of us,
Jennifer

Thanks for letting all of us know your complete background. You have shed a
lot of light about your situation. I congratulate you for being so
knowledgeable and taking charge of your health....you have definitely been
through a lot in your young life. It does sounds like you have done many
good things for yourself in such a short amount of time. Good for you!

Your request that we respond only to what you specifically ask for is duly
noted. Truly we are all here to help and support. It is a labor of love
and everyone here gives of their time and knowledge, freely. There is much
wisdom on this forum that has come from experience, research and knowledge.

Questions are always encouraged to clear up confusion. Sandra has tried to make it very easy to find out all the information one needs to implement and be successful with the Budwig Protocol and she has done a great job.

My concern for you was based only on what I knew about you...from your post.
I had no way of knowing your past. You have asked that I not be concerned
about you and I will honor that request.

I wish you total health, wellness and peace of mind...

Blessings,
Loretta

Hi all,

My mom is using elements of the Budwig protocol as a complimentary
treatment of her of ovarian cancer. Good news is that it is working
pretty well. She is also doing chemo and just finished her last
treatment but is feeling more fatigued than usual.

I was wondering about the sugars in her diet. As sweetener for baking
she uses evaporated cane juice, fructose, or agave nectar. Also she
still uses maple syrup once in a while. She uses way less of these
sweeteners than in the past and almost no white sugar or flour.

Are the sweeteners above safe or are they going to slow her progress in
fighting cancer?

Thanks to all
Best
Devon

Racheli Wrote:
"What type of milk should i use with the FO/CC? (low fat or fat free)
Does Dr Budwig allowed to eat eggs?
What are the source for B12, if eating meets is prohibited?"

Hi Racheli,
You should be using either lowfat cottage cheese or lowfat strained
yogurt cheese depending on which taste you prefer. I use both, often
yogurt cheese in the morning and cottage cheese in the afternoon.

It's quite easy to make the yogurt into cheese:
Please do be sure to drain it throughly, overnight is best. You can
use cheese cloth with an elastic around an empty yogurt, or similar
32 oz container; have it hang about half way into the container, as
it's best to drain 1/2 quart so that the drained whey doesn't come
back onto the draining yogurt. This size works out very well because
it makes just about the right amount of yogurt cheese for one day/two
servings. If you prefer, you can make a larger amount of cheese and
keep it refrigerated for 5 or so days, however, please be sure to
make each serving of "cream/focc" fresh before each meal.

Eggs are not on the protocol.

Nutritional yeast flakes are a great source of B12. They really
enchance rice, soup, and grain dishes. You can find them at your
health food store.

Hope this answers your questions, if you need more detail feel free
to ask. You might like to read through some of the file recipes when
you get a chance. There are a lot of great ideas to vary the mixture.

Kindest Regards,
Janice