Re: Tracking sleep in iOS/watchOS
On Mar 25, 2025, at 2:51?PM, Bev in TX via groups.io <countryone77@...> wrote:
I don't have an Apple Watch, so I don't have any experience with tracking sleep in the Health app. ?I did find the following articles that may, or may not, be applicable:
Thanks SO much for that, Bev. I’ve confirmed to my own satisfaction that sleep tracking requires nightly “activation” of the Sleep app ON MY WATCH, which is the one thing that surprises me, but I don’t know whether the watchOS has a user interface that permits the user to tell what apps ON the watch are currently running.
The support group thread is pretty bizarre, with people complaining about Apple requiring people to buy a watch in order to track sleep. I’m amazed that those users think their phones can track their sleep while sitting in their chargers with no sensors activated on their bodies!
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Jim Robertson
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Re: Hard Drive Stops/Starts
This is a major problem with newer macs and external HDDs, particularly if connected through a hub. That OS setting stops the OS from actively putting the drives to sleep, but it doesn’t keep them awake because modern external drives commonly? have their own spin down routines which this does not override.?The problem is worse when the drives are connected through a hub.?
You will see the “Adrenaline” app recommended for this. Don’t bother. Adrenaline does not solve this problem. It keeps the system awake but does not keep drives spinning.
I use the “Keep Drive Spinning” app.?
http://jon.stovell.info/software/keep-drive-spinning/
This app simply installs a resident script that periodically writes and rewrites a tiny hidden file to keep the drive activated. That is all it does. The app itself simply configures the scripts and installs them but does not need to run in the background. It is drive specific so you can configure only the drives you want. The app has been around for a very long time and has been continuously maintained by the developer.?
For a long time I kept one drive awake by continuously playing music from it, but that’s not a convenient solution. ;)
Cheers,
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On Mar 22, 2025, at 9:18?AM, Jim Willett via groups.io <jimwillett@...> wrote:
I have a new Mac Mini, 16/256 (currently 75 GB available) with the latest Sequoia update.? Attached to it is a hard drive enclosure that I’ve been using for a couple of years with a 2015 iMac, 16/1T running Monterey.? With the iMac the hard drives would spin up and stay running while the iMac was in use.? With the Mac Mini the drives spin up when I wake the Mini but are regularly spinning down and then almost immediately spinning up again. I have turned to OFF “Put hard disks to sleep when possible”. Any idea as to how to stop the drives from spinning up/down so frequently? ?I am hoping this may be due to the small internal storage, which I have ordered a 2TB replacement, and maybe this will solve the problem with the external drive.? ? Thanks in advance to responses.? Jim Willett ?
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Re: Tracking sleep in iOS/watchOS
I have an old Apple Watch that has the “SleepWatch” App loaded on it. It works seamlessly and I only have to put the watch on before I go to bed. It’s a subscription app but my Apple Watch is quite old without some of the more modern features. ?
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Re: Upgrade OS from High Sierra on 2017 iMac
On Mar 26, 2025, at 2:59 AM, Otto Nikolaus via groups.io <otto.nikolaus@...> wrote:
What I’m asking is, “where does it tell us that this is for OS X 10.14?” At the link that I gave to start this discussion thread. Scroll down to the bottom. __________________________________________________ Randy B. Singer Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions) Essential But Hard To Find Macintosh Software and Advice __________________________________________________
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Re: Upgrade OS from High Sierra on 2017 iMac
Randy wrote:
> There is no reason why you have to purchase a Mac that is brand-new. ?You can save a bundle of money simply by purchasing a used or refurbished Mac that’s, let’s say only three years old. ?Such a Mac will probably last another nine or ten years.
Otto wrote: >For many years now I’ve preferred to buy MacBooks (Pro or Air). They are more than powerful enough for anything that we do, and are so much more flexible that a desktop computer. You can, of course, use a laptop/notebook on a desk if you prefer, and if the screen is a little small, you can use an external monitor instead of the built-in one.
Jim wrote: > When it came time to replace the computer, I decided to move to a desktop machine, and chose a Mac Mini.
When the time comes for a new Mac, I only want to continue to use it on my desk. I want a large screen, a separate full-size extended keyboard, and a mouse. (I hate touchpads! And can barely use the touchscreen on my phone.)? So that's probably another iMac. Or maybe, as Jim chose, a Mac Mini and a good display. I'd be very happy with a refurbished Mac. Of course I'd consult you all beforehand.
Perhaps it’s a bad habit but I mostly use my MB Pro on my lap, sitting on the couch. Having it this close also means that the 15” screen is easily large enough. ;-)
Otto
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Re: Upgrade OS from High Sierra on 2017 iMac
On 26 Mar 2025, at 00:11, Randy B. Singer via groups.io <randy@...> wrote:
On Mar 25, 2025, at 5:24 AM, Otto Nikolaus via groups.io <otto.nikolaus@...> wrote:
How does one tell which of those applies to which macOS version anyway? The source code is only for programmers. So it can be ignored
The other two files are compressed archives of exactly the same thing. Your choice of format. The one in Zip format is a bigger download (because they used a less effective compression method), but it’s should be a familiar format to every Mac user, as Zip is built into the Mac OS. Thanks, Randy, but I know all that. What I’m asking is, “where does it tell us that this is for OS X 10.14?” Back to my AppleScript, JavaScript and Shell Script… Otto
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Re: Upgrade OS from High Sierra on 2017 iMac
Randy wrote:
> There is no reason why you have to purchase a Mac that is brand-new. ?You can save a bundle of money simply by purchasing a used or refurbished Mac that’s, let’s say only three years old. ?Such a Mac will probably last another nine or ten years.
Otto wrote: >For many years now I’ve preferred to buy MacBooks (Pro or Air). They are more than powerful enough for anything that we do, and are so much more flexible that a desktop computer. You can, of course, use a laptop/notebook on a desk if you prefer, and if the screen is a little small, you can use an external monitor instead of the built-in one.
Jim wrote: > When it came time to replace the computer, I decided to move to a desktop machine, and chose a Mac Mini.
When the time comes for a new Mac, I only want to continue to use it on my desk. I want a large screen, a separate full-size extended keyboard, and a mouse. (I hate touchpads! And can barely use the touchscreen on my phone.)? So that's probably another iMac. Or maybe, as Jim chose, a Mac Mini and a good display. I'd be very happy with a refurbished Mac. Of course I'd consult you all beforehand. Patsy
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Re: Tracking sleep in iOS/watchOS
Jim Robertson?wrote: I have central sleep apnea, for which I sleep using an “ASV” (automated servo-ventilation) machine. Recently, for no reason other than “I can,” I started using the iOS and watchOS “Health” apps to track my sleep stages (light, deep, and REM), but it seems I must MANUALLY activate the “Sleep” app on my watch in order for that to work. Is that how it should be? Both watchOS and iOS are current. My phone is a 14Pro and my watch is a Series 7 (GPS + Cellular). If I don’t do that, my phone shows interrupted blocks of time all in turquoise color and DRAMATICALLY overstates my sleep time, including even times when I’m up and walking around.
Has anyone else tried using this? It seems bizarrely inaccurate (again, unless the last thing I do when getting into bed is to MANUALLY ?trigger the “Sleep” app on my watch.
For several years I have had morning discomfort in my back if I sleep, as I have most of my life, on my side, and if I lay flat on my back in bed, I *will* have obstructive sleep apnea.
My solution has been to sleep in my La-Z-Boy recliner, with my head elevated in the 30-45° range. I may snore occasionally, but this seems to work to prevent OSA for me.
I wear my Apple Watch nearly every night, and often check my sleep analysis in the Health App in the morning after I get up – or after the last sleep period after the last time I got up to void…
I not uncommonly take a nap in the late afternoon.
Here is a typical display for me:
The undifferentiated section on the left is my daytime nap (on the 24th), While the differentiated bulk of the display is my overnight sleep (starting around 2 AM).
I’m currently on a original Ultra watch (since October 2022), but I was doing this with its predecessor as well.
Under Settings / Focus I have Sleep Focus set with a time schedule (in my case, 1AM to 9AM). Maybe that is what you need to do. Or, on the watch, open that Sleep App, and scroll down until you get to “schedule”…
jimdoc@...
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Re: Upgrade OS from High Sierra on 2017 iMac
On Mar 25, 2025, at 5:24 AM, Otto Nikolaus via groups.io <otto.nikolaus@...> wrote:
How does one tell which of those applies to which macOS version anyway? The source code is only for programmers. So it can be ignored The other two files are compressed archives of exactly the same thing. Your choice of format. The one in Zip format is a bigger download (because they used a less effective compression method), but it’s should be a familiar format to every Mac user, as Zip is built into the Mac OS. __________________________________________________ Randy B. Singer Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions) Essential But Hard To Find Macintosh Software and Advice __________________________________________________
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Re: Tracking sleep in iOS/watchOS
I don't have an Apple Watch, so I don't have any experience with tracking sleep in the Health app. I did find the following articles that may, or may not, be applicable:
Estimating Sleep Stages from Apple Watch
Track your sleep on Apple Watch and use Sleep on iPhone
Discussion in Apple Communities re iOS 18 affecting sleep tracking. Specifically, see Sonar's and Cosmos1179's comments...
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On Mar 25, 2025, at 12:57?PM, jimrobertson via groups.io <jimrobertson@...> wrote:
I have central sleep apnea, for which I sleep using an “ASV” (automated servo-ventilation) machine. Recently, for no reason other than “I can,” I started using the iOS and watchOS “Health” apps to track my sleep stages (light, deep, and REM), but it seems I must MANUALLY activate the “Sleep” app on my watch in order for that to work. Is that how it should be? Both watchOS and iOS are current. My phone is a 14Pro and my watch is a Series 7 (GPS + Cellular). If I don’t do that, my phone shows interrupted blocks of time all in turquoise color and DRAMATICALLY overstates my sleep time, including even times when I’m up and walking around.
Has anyone else tried using this? It seems bizarrely inaccurate (again, unless the last thing I do when getting into bed is to MANUALLY trigger the “Sleep” app on my watch.
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Bev in TX
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Tracking sleep in iOS/watchOS
I have central sleep apnea, for which I sleep using an “ASV” (automated servo-ventilation) machine. Recently, for no reason other than “I can,” I started using the iOS and watchOS “Health” apps to track my sleep stages (light, deep, and REM), but it seems I must MANUALLY activate the “Sleep” app on my watch in order for that to work. Is that how it should be? Both watchOS and iOS are current. My phone is a 14Pro and my watch is a Series 7 (GPS + Cellular). If I don’t do that, my phone shows interrupted blocks of time all in turquoise color and DRAMATICALLY overstates my sleep time, including even times when I’m up and walking around.
Has anyone else tried using this? It seems bizarrely inaccurate (again, unless the last thing I do when getting into bed is to MANUALLY ?trigger the “Sleep” app on my watch.
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Jim Robertson
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Re: Upgrade OS from High Sierra on 2017 iMac
On 25 Mar 2025, at 03:02, Randy B. Singer via groups.io <randy@...> wrote:
On Mar 23, 2025, at 10:48 PM, Patsy Price <beyondwords@...> wrote:
I followed those links but couldn't figure out how to download that Chromium. Go to:
The latest release, right at the top, is numbered: 1303823
Download the file called:
“1303823.锄颈辫"
It’s near the top. I’m not sure why this is so hard and scaring people. I think the issue might be that there is no link to a .dmg file (the usual Mac format for app installations) or even something clearly labelled “for macOS 10.xx.yy”. How does one tell which of those applies to which macOS version anyway? Otto
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Re: Upgrade OS from High Sierra on 2017 iMac
I wrote: > I followed those links but couldn't figure out how to download that Chromium.
Randy replied: >Go to:>https://github.com/blueboxd/chromium-legacy/releases>The latest release, right at the top, is numbered: 1303823>Download the file called:>“1303823.锄颈辫">It’s near the top. ? >I’m not sure why this is so hard and scaring people. Before I had no idea what to click on. This time you told me. Thank you.
Got it! Downloaded okay. But... “Chromium.app” can’t be opened because it is from an unidentified developer. " Your security preferences allow installation of only apps from the App Store and identified developers."So I found my security prefs and went through a couple of steps to tell it to open.
Next challenge: It wanted me to sign in to my Google account. I haven't used my Google account for ages! It's tied to an old business email I no longer use. But I found what was needed. Unfortunately the Captcha phoned me with a code and the ring woke up my partner. (I wished I had waited till daytime to try to get in.)
So, Chromium is now on my computer, I'm signed in, and I was able to go to a couple of websites.
I don't want to know now. But sometime soon I'll ask you about getting Chromium set up.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
Thank you for getting me this far. (And I definitely DON'T want to upgrade my OS myself!!!)
Patsy
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Re: Upgrade OS from High Sierra on 2017 iMac
On Mar 23, 2025, at 10:48 PM, Patsy Price <beyondwords@...> wrote:
I followed those links but couldn't figure out how to download that Chromium. Go to: The latest release, right at the top, is numbered: 1303823 Download the file called: “1303823.锄颈辫" It’s near the top. I’m not sure why this is so hard and scaring people. __________________________________________________ Randy B. Singer Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions) Essential But Hard To Find Macintosh Software and Advice __________________________________________________
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Re: Upgrade OS from High Sierra on 2017 iMac
That is not a failure of the browser, but a problem with yahoo not following the users wishes, and not following industry standard. I too, use yahoo e-ddresses. I keep having a variation the number of unread emails between my Mac and iPhone. I thought that Mail.app syncing was not working properly. Then I noticed it wa only with my yahoo accounts, even though my my accounts ae IMAP.?
Brent ?
On my late 2012 Mac mini running 10.15.7?
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Patsy:
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I also went to the link Randy provided and figured any browser that makes it that hard to figure out how to download it, can't possibly be user friendly.
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I can't use Safari or Brave with Yahoo mail with HIgh Sierra. Safari simply won't function due to the High Sierra OS I am using and Brave - regardless of the various ad blocker/privacy settings I use - keeps resulting in Yahoo mail popping up and telling me I am violating the terms of use of the new version of Yahoo mail because I am using ad blockers!
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The more things are getting "fixed" by some of these updated "improved" outfits, the poorer they function.
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John
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If it's not broke, don't fix it.
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Re: Upgrade OS from High Sierra on 2017 iMac
Patsy:
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I also went to the link Randy provided and figured any browser that makes it that hard to figure out how to download it, can't possibly be user friendly.
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I can't use Safari or Brave with Yahoo mail with HIgh Sierra. Safari simply won't function due to the High Sierra OS I am using and Brave - regardless of the various ad blocker/privacy settings I use - keeps resulting in Yahoo mail popping up and telling me I am violating the terms of use of the new version of Yahoo mail because I am using ad blockers!
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The more things are getting "fixed" by some of these updated "improved" outfits, the poorer they function.
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John
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If it's not broke, don't fix it.
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Re: Upgrade OS from High Sierra on 2017 iMac
0Otto Nikolaus wrote: For many years now I’ve preferred to buy MacBooks (Pro or Air). They are more than powerful enough for anything that we do, and are so much more flexible that a desktop computer. You can, of course, use a laptop/notebook on a desk if you prefer, and if the screen is a little small, you can use an external monitor instead of the built-in one.
From 1998 to 2022 I got used to a portable computer with a 13-15” screen. As I aged, I realized I no longer much needed portability, but the laptop ergonomics were getting bothersome.
My first step was to get a good monitor (I got a 24” LG 4K model; at my desk I don’t sit far enough from the monitor to need a 27” one). And a separate keyboard and trackpad.
And I used my last Macbook Pro (2013 model) in clamshell mode.
When it came time to replace the computer, I decided to move to a desktop machine, and chose a Mac Mini.
I have no problem continuing to use the monitor, keyboard, and trackpad long after I’ve decided to upgrade the computer; my next move will be to replace the desktop computer with, likely, a Macbook Air.
Did you realize that an M4 Macbook Air is MORE powerful in most benchmarks than an M1 Max Mac Studio?
jimdoc@...
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Re: Upgrade OS from High Sierra on 2017 iMac
On the matter of browsers with High Sierra, there is the rare occasion where a site doesn’t like Safari, and in those cases I’ve used Chrome or Firefox. ?I don’t recall how I found Chrome, but it would have been a web search for Chrome on High Sierra.
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On backups, I’ve had the odd hiccup with Time Machine, and so, now and then, do a straight copy of documents onto an external drive. ? That has worked going back to the Atari 520.
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Re: Upgrade OS from High Sierra on 2017 iMac
Yea, I had to ask for help, and would need help to to it again, and I’m only 71.
Brent
On my iPhone Xr
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On Mar 23, 2025, at 22:48, Patsy Price via groups.io <beyondwords@...> wrote:
I followed those links but couldn't figure out how to download that Chromium. Brent may have eventually navigated those pages, but they're a complete mystery to me. Help!
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Re: Finder Not Responding
Has anyone noticed the red marker on this Google search page?
Can anyone here actually vouch for 'John Daniel'?
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