Re: SOLVED! missing Menu Bar in High Sierra
My apologies for misunderstand. I didn’t understand that you had an issue and were widening the inquiry. I didn’t see relation between the two. I apologize.
My issue had nothing to do with AirPlay, but a HDMI cable, two older devices and the fact that in the past Apple and the TV industry did not interpret the HDMI standards for the first version the same.
What are your devices doing wrong?The way you wrote it, it sounded as if you were asking me to check a setting to solve my issue.
Brent
On my iPhone Xr
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On Dec 13, 2023, at 03:58, Otto Nikolaus via groups.io <otto.nikolaus@...> wrote:
?Sorry, but I need to pursue this.
To be clear, it will never work correctly via HDMI on that particular TV?
AirPlay to our 2012 Sony Bravia via the Roku works very well. It appears in the Mac’s top menu in both the speaker and AirPlay menus. I *think* it was “on” by default in the Roku system settings.
My MBP is on 10.14.
Otto
On 13 Dec 2023, at 03:11, Brent via groups.io <whodo678@...> wrote:
BANG! BANG! BANG!
I’m trying to kill the thread. First, no response for 2 days, then replies after I posted that it was solved, yesterday, the replies started.
Thanks for the effort, but as I said earlier, it is a known incompatibility issue, uncommon, but known, from the early days of HDMI.
No, AirPlay is not turned on. I haven’t even figured out how to use it. It did not even present correctly in Finder. It presented as “domain AirPlay” which is a flag it is not setup correctly.
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Yes but the screenshot would include the widget which contains all my personal email info and emails.?
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On Dec 13, 2023, at 9:52?AM, Brent via groups.io <whodo678@...> wrote:
? Fine googe it.?
FYI, you can take a screenshot of just apart of your Desktop, by using the shortcut shift, control, 4, then defining the area you want with the crosshairs and clicking.
Brent
It's a widget. I'd rather not reveal my personal info. It's just a teeny weeny pic of what I normally see when I open gmail. But it's def a widget. It has an option to "edit widgets," but that doesn't go anywhere useful.?
I just need to know how to delete a widget. I can google that. It would be easier to identify, if you included a screen shot.? ?There's now a tiny little picture of my gmail at the top left of my desktop. I'm guessing this is an accidentally created, so-called "widget". When I click on it, it disappears into a shadowy line on the left side of my screen. It is not being helpful. :-(
I searched through all the "options" listed on it but can't find one to make it go away. Information appreciated!
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Re: "widget" accidentally created???
Fine googe it.?
FYI, you can take a screenshot of just apart of your Desktop, by using the shortcut shift, control, 4, then defining the area you want with the crosshairs and clicking.
Brent
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It's a widget. I'd rather not reveal my personal info. It's just a teeny weeny pic of what I normally see when I open gmail. But it's def a widget. It has an option to "edit widgets," but that doesn't go anywhere useful.?
I just need to know how to delete a widget. I can google that. It would be easier to identify, if you included a screen shot.? ?There's now a tiny little picture of my gmail at the top left of my desktop. I'm guessing this is an accidentally created, so-called "widget". When I click on it, it disappears into a shadowy line on the left side of my screen. It is not being helpful. :-(
I searched through all the "options" listed on it but can't find one to make it go away. Information appreciated!
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Janet
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It's a mess. It seems to be getting these from my iPhone. There's a barometer app shown under "edit widgets" (which I have only on my phone) etc. The gmail pic comes up every time I open safari, and won't go away. And it's not listed in the "edit widget" list so I can't click the minus sign to delete it.?
On Wed, Dec 13, 2023 at 9:46?AM J_Catlady via <JanetOliviaCatlady= [email protected]> wrote: It's a widget. I'd rather not reveal my personal info. It's just a teeny weeny pic of what I normally see when I open gmail. But it's def a widget. It has an option to "edit widgets," but that doesn't go anywhere useful.?
I just need to know how to delete a widget. I can google that.
It would be easier to identify, if you included a screen shot.? ?There's now a tiny little picture of my gmail at the top left of my desktop. I'm guessing this is an accidentally created, so-called "widget". When I click on it, it disappears into a shadowy line on the left side of my screen. It is not being helpful. :-(
I searched through all the "options" listed on it but can't find one to make it go away. Information appreciated!
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Janet
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Re: "widget" accidentally created???
It's a widget. I'd rather not reveal my personal info. It's just a teeny weeny pic of what I normally see when I open gmail. But it's def a widget. It has an option to "edit widgets," but that doesn't go anywhere useful.?
I just need to know how to delete a widget. I can google that.
It would be easier to identify, if you included a screen shot.? ?There's now a tiny little picture of my gmail at the top left of my desktop. I'm guessing this is an accidentally created, so-called "widget". When I click on it, it disappears into a shadowy line on the left side of my screen. It is not being helpful. :-(
I searched through all the "options" listed on it but can't find one to make it go away. Information appreciated!
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Janet
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Janet
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Re: "widget" accidentally created???
It would be easier to identify, if you included a screen shot.?
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On Dec 13, 2023, at 09:31, J_Catlady <JanetOliviaCatlady@...> wrote:
?There's now a tiny little picture of my gmail at the top left of my desktop. I'm guessing this is an accidentally created, so-called "widget". When I click on it, it disappears into a shadowy line on the left side of my screen. It is not being helpful. :-(
I searched through all the "options" listed on it but can't find one to make it go away. Information appreciated!
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Janet
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"widget" accidentally created???
There's now a tiny little picture of my gmail at the top left of my desktop. I'm guessing this is an accidentally created, so-called "widget". When I click on it, it disappears into a shadowy line on the left side of my screen. It is not being helpful. :-(
I searched through all the "options" listed on it but can't find one to make it go away. Information appreciated!
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Janet
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Re: SOLVED! missing Menu Bar in High Sierra
Sorry, but I need to pursue this.
To be clear, it will never work correctly via HDMI on that particular TV?
AirPlay to our 2012 Sony Bravia via the Roku works very well. It appears in the Mac’s top menu in both the speaker and AirPlay menus. I *think* it was “on” by default in the Roku system settings.
My MBP is on 10.14.
Otto
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On 13 Dec 2023, at 03:11, Brent via groups.io <whodo678@...> wrote:
BANG! BANG! BANG!
I’m trying to kill the thread. First, no response for 2 days, then replies after I posted that it was solved, yesterday, the replies started.
Thanks for the effort, but as I said earlier, it is a known incompatibility issue, uncommon, but known, from the early days of HDMI.
No, AirPlay is not turned on. I haven’t even figured out how to use it. It did not even present correctly in Finder. It presented as “domain AirPlay” which is a flag it is not setup correctly.
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Re: SOLVED! missing Menu Bar in High Sierra
BANG! BANG! BANG!
I’m trying to kill the thread. First, no response for 2 days, then replies after I posted that it was solved, yesterday, the replies started.
Thanks for the effort, but as I said earlier, it is a known incompatibility issue, uncommon, but known, from the early days of HDMI.
No, AirPlay is not turned on. I haven’t even figured out how to use it. It did not even present correctly in Finder. It presented as “domain AirPlay” which is a flag it is not setup correctly.
Brent
On my Mac mini, now running 10.15.7
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On Dec 12, 2023, at 3:28 PM, Otto Nikolaus via groups.io <otto.nikolaus@...> wrote: Just a thought, but is AirPlay using the Roku any use for this, or is there just too much lag? Otto On 12 Dec 2023, at 19:45, Brent via groups.io <whodo678@...> wrote:
With various early TVs, there may or not me a workaround. I am guessing the dividing line is if HDMI versions 1.2 or 1.4 are involved.
In my case, I am using a 2009 Vizio and a Late 2012 Mac Mini. Apple Support could not find anything on the issue, and I went thru all the setting with a tier 2 Vizio support version. None of the keywords from the one good article I found were anywhere.
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Re: missing Menu Bar in High Sierra
Just a thought, but is AirPlay using the Roku any use for this, or is there just too much lag?
Otto
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On 12 Dec 2023, at 19:45, Brent via groups.io <whodo678@...> wrote:
With various early TVs, there may or not me a workaround. I am guessing the dividing line is if HDMI versions 1.2 or 1.4 are involved.
In my case, I am using a 2009 Vizio and a Late 2012 Mac Mini. Apple Support could not find anything on the issue, and I went thru all the setting with a tier 2 Vizio support version. None of the keywords from the one good article I found were anywhere.
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Re: missing Menu Bar in High Sierra
With various early TVs, there may or not me a workaround. I am guessing the dividing line is if HDMI versions 1.2 or 1.4 are involved.?
In my case, I am using a 2009 Vizio and a Late 2012 Mac Mini. Apple Support could not find anything on the issue, and I went thru all the setting with a tier 2 Vizio support version. None of the keywords from the one good article I found were anywhere.
Brent ? On my Mac mini running 10.15.7?
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I guess it’s not a workaround, but I find 1920 x 1080 is always available as an option and works on the old Sony TV, and that works fine. ?The problem is more that the TV will often “tell” the Mac to use another resolution that doesn’t work, so I have to keep changing it. ?Looks like at least one of the disagreements between Sony and Apple is whether the source or the destination determines the initial setting.
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On Dec 12, 2023, at 11:21?AM, DaveC via groups.io <davec2468@...> wrote:
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Thanks, Pat.
All is well. I called Apple Support and was walked through the (very simple) procedure to change the system password.
Thanks,
Dave
On 12 Dec 2023, at 8:45, Pat Taylor via groups.io wrote:
Perhaps this Apple support article will offer some help:
Pat
2012 mini, macOS 10.15 Catalina
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I moved this past summer and hadn’t settled in my new home until recently, four and a half months later. In the interval I did all my email and internet access using my iPhone.
I currently am failing to remember the system login password for the mini. Is there any hope of a method to access my computer and all its data?
Thanks,
Dave
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Thanks, Pat.
All is well. I called Apple Support and was walked through the (very simple) procedure to change the system password.
Thanks,
Dave
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On 12 Dec 2023, at 8:45, Pat Taylor via groups.io wrote:
Perhaps this Apple support article will offer some help:
Pat
2012 mini, macOS 10.15 Catalina
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I moved this past summer and hadn’t settled in my new home until recently, four and a half months later. In the interval I did all my email and internet access using my iPhone.
I currently am failing to remember the system login password for the mini. Is there any hope of a method to access my computer and all its data?
Thanks,
Dave
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Perhaps this Apple support article will offer some help:
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2012 mini, macOS 10.15 Catalina
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I moved this past summer and hadn’t settled in my new home until recently, four and a half months later. In the interval I did all my email and internet access using my iPhone.
I currently am failing to remember the system login password for the mini. Is there any hope of a method to access my computer and all its data?
Thanks,
Dave
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2012 mini, macOS 10.15 Catalina
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I moved this past summer and hadn’t settled in my new home until recently, four and a half months later. In the interval I did all my email and internet access using my iPhone.
I currently am failing to remember the system login password for the mini. Is there any hope of a method to access my computer and all its data?
Thanks,
Dave
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Re: missing Menu Bar in High Sierra
I guess it’s not a workaround, but I find 1920 x 1080 is always available as an option and works on the old Sony TV, and that works fine. ?The problem is more that the TV will often “tell” the Mac to use another resolution that doesn’t work, so I have to keep changing it. ?Looks like at least one of the disagreements between Sony and Apple is whether the source or the destination determines the initial setting.
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Re: missing Menu Bar in High Sierra
Correction and follow-up.
Correction, the below should read that this does not effect other means of connecting. Screen sharing and Remote Connection by AppleCare show the full desktop.
After checking the web, the TV manufacturer and Apple, it appears that there is no work around for these two older models. It appears that Apple and the TV industry did not agree on the early HDMI standards. This may have been resolved on both ends, since version 2 of HDMI is now available.
Brent
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On Dec 11, 2023, at 11:14 AM, Brent via < whodo678@...> wrote: Thank you for confirming that it is a compatibility between the Mac and the TV using HDMI. Does it affect other means of connecting the two. My other option would be Lighting to VGA, which is doubtful I would find an adapter.?
My plan was to call Vizio today, because I can’t find a solution on their site.? ?I had the same Mac on HIgh Sierra and had the same problem using a Sony tv as a monitor. From what I could find out, it’s the TV that’s the problem. ?There’s some disagreement between Sony and Apply on just what HDMI is, and maybe the same applies to vizio. ?There’s some function in TVs to fill the screen, even when that means either the top and bottom or the sides are cut off. ?Maybe the vizio has a setting that defeats that — the sony doesn’t ?I found there are some resolutions the two can agree on, and using those solved the problem. ?I have updated this Mac to 10.14 so it can use a particular app, but that didn’t affect this problem. ?
On updating the OS for the sake of updating the OS, I’d suggest you don’t bother unless there is some app you want to use that needs it. ?I had this Mac on Catalina for a bit, and more problems arose than were solved, generally in networking. ?. ?
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Re: missing Menu Bar in High Sierra
Thank you for confirming that it is a compatibility between the Mac and the TV using HDMI. Does it affect other means of connecting the two. My other option would be Lighting to VGA, which is doubtful I would find an adapter.?
My plan was to call Vizio today, because I can’t find a solution on their site.?
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On Dec 11, 2023, at 07:35, Bayswater <Bayswater@...> wrote:
?I had the same Mac on HIgh Sierra and had the same problem using a Sony tv as a monitor. From what I could find out, it’s the TV that’s the problem. ?There’s some disagreement between Sony and Apply on just what HDMI is, and maybe the same applies to vizio. ?There’s some function in TVs to fill the screen, even when that means either the top and bottom or the sides are cut off. ?Maybe the vizio has a setting that defeats that — the sony doesn’t ?I found there are some resolutions the two can agree on, and using those solved the problem. ?I have updated this Mac to 10.14 so it can use a particular app, but that didn’t affect this problem. ?
On updating the OS for the sake of updating the OS, I’d suggest you don’t bother unless there is some app you want to use that needs it. ?I had this Mac on Catalina for a bit, and more problems arose than were solved, generally in networking. ?. ?
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Re: missing Menu Bar in High Sierra
I had the same Mac on HIgh Sierra and had the same problem using a Sony tv as a monitor. From what I could find out, it’s the TV that’s the problem. ?There’s some disagreement between Sony and Apply on just what HDMI is, and maybe the same applies to vizio. ?There’s some function in TVs to fill the screen, even when that means either the top and bottom or the sides are cut off. ?Maybe the vizio has a setting that defeats that — the sony doesn’t ?I found there are some resolutions the two can agree on, and using those solved the problem. ?I have updated this Mac to 10.14 so it can use a particular app, but that didn’t affect this problem. ?
On updating the OS for the sake of updating the OS, I’d suggest you don’t bother unless there is some app you want to use that needs it. ?I had this Mac on Catalina for a bit, and more problems arose than were solved, generally in networking. ?. ?
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missing Menu Bar in High Sierra
I am trying to set up a late 2012 Mac mini, in High Sierra, on my way to upgrading it to Catalina to max out the mac OS.
One of the issues that I have run into is that the Desktop is drawn larger than the viewable area of the monitor. The Menu Bar is not visible, half the Dock is not visible and the right and left edges are off screen. Below is what I have tried:
- adjusting Sys Prefs / Display, it is treating my Vizio as 1080p TV only, connected wit a HDMI cable,
- I can not find overscan as one article suggested,
- it is not in full screen, turning o full screen loses more of the image,
- one unexplored option is to change from HDMI cable to Lightning port on the mini to a VGA port on the Vizio
My question and options are to fix this in High Sierra, 10.13, and if so how. Or just upgrading to 10.14 or 10.15 to see if someone can tell me it that will fix it with certainty. I have no affinity for 10.13 and intend to get to 10.15, asap. A lot of things were excluded when I migrated from 10.7.5, and it is almost like learning a new OS.
Brent
Setting up a "new to me” Late 2012 Mac mini
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