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Re: Is there any way to rediscover the origins of an email pdf attachement
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Jim, I think you have sleuthed as much info out of it as you can. I have never heard of a pathway to how it has traveled, just who created it and with what, as you have already done.
The only place I can think that might be able to divine more, might be WiebeTech. They provide forensic services to law enforcement, but I doubt it. One their service is probably not cheap, if possible, and if it is on a device you upgraded, you probably corrupted the trail.
Sent from my iPad,
Brent
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On Oct 22, 2019, at 2:08 PM, jimrobertson via Groups.Io <jimrobertson@...> wrote:
In my downloads folder I have an unsigned PDF letter, watermarked “DRAFT,” “written" by a named insurance adjuster, probably not intended for me, although it deals with a disaster which took my home.Using the tools available either in the macOS and Adobe Reader, the author is listed as someone else entirely, a person I don’t know, and it supposedly was created using MS Word via amazonwebservices.
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I hadn't noticed, since I almost never use the web site to read the list.
I also read the oldest unread post to the newest across 4 Apple groups and any other email that arrive at this eddy, and seldom by thread.?
So in the middle of my reading I may get a Baking Network email, or email from a cousin that still can't figure out how to use BCC when sharing a joke. ,?
Brent
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On Oct 22, 2019, at 11:29 AM, Dave Kelly via Groups.Io < drkelly@...> wrote: However, ?displays messages in oldest to newest order so you have to scroll to the bottom to get to the latest message. There’s problems with whatever way it’s done which is why we chose the allow top or bottom posting with quoted text.
Dave On Oct 22, 2019, at 10:58 AM, Brent via Groups.Io < whodo678@...> wrote:
Since we are not using a ledger book, quill and ink pot, Mr Fenwick, newest on top, sir.
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Re: Is there any way to rediscover the origins of an email pdf attachement
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I would look at the Created and Modified dates, then at your emails for around that date. If you deleted those emails, retrieve?them from a backup.
Otto
On Tue, 22 Oct 2019 at 22:08, jimrobertson via Groups.Io <jimrobertson= [email protected]> wrote: In my downloads folder I have an unsigned PDF letter, watermarked “DRAFT,” “written" by a named insurance adjuster, probably not intended for me, although it deals with a disaster which took my home.Using the tools available either in the macOS and Adobe Reader, the author is listed as someone else entirely, a person I don’t know, and it supposedly was created using MS Word via amazonwebservices.
I’ve received variations of this letter, much expanded upon, customized for the insurance company’s purposes in dealing with me as a claimant and signed by my adjusters.
There is vigorous discussion among and between many parties to this disaster regarding the sincerity of the insurance companies’ dealings with their policyholders in the wake of this disaster. The letter contains enough body text to be used as a template for a denial of request for payment; i.e., a blanket refusal in a situation in which the California Department of Insurance has directed the companies to consider every request for payment on its own merits.
I have no idea how this pdf came to live in my downloads folder. It’s conceivable I received it from a fellow-claimant in an email, but I don’t really know that it started life on my machine as an email attachment. Is there any way to discover that?
Please note that I’m not asking for legal or insurance advice, just whether I can access information in my email database or the file system to give me a clue how I got this.
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On Oct 22, 2019, at 3:08 PM, jimrobertson via Groups.Io < jimrobertson@...> wrote:
In my downloads folder I have an unsigned PDF letter
Jim, Have you tried doing a search in your emails to see if it is from an attachment to an email that might still be there? Otherwise, I wouldn’t have a clue where it might have come from.
Dave
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Is there any way to rediscover the origins of an email pdf attachement
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In my downloads folder I have an unsigned PDF letter, watermarked “DRAFT,” “written" by a named insurance adjuster, probably not intended for me, although it deals with a disaster which took my home.Using the tools available either in the macOS and Adobe Reader, the author is listed as someone else entirely, a person I don’t know, and it supposedly was created using MS Word via amazonwebservices.
I’ve received variations of this letter, much expanded upon, customized for the insurance company’s purposes in dealing with me as a claimant and signed by my adjusters.
There is vigorous discussion among and between many parties to this disaster regarding the sincerity of the insurance companies’ dealings with their policyholders in the wake of this disaster. The letter contains enough body text to be used as a template for a denial of request for payment; i.e., a blanket refusal in a situation in which the California Department of Insurance has directed the companies to consider every request for payment on its own merits.
I have no idea how this pdf came to live in my downloads folder. It’s conceivable I received it from a fellow-claimant in an email, but I don’t really know that it started life on my machine as an email attachment. Is there any way to discover that?
Please note that I’m not asking for legal or insurance advice, just whether I can access information in my email database or the file system to give me a clue how I got this.
Thanks so much, Jim Robertson
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However, ?displays messages in oldest to newest order so you have to scroll to the bottom to get to the latest message. There’s problems with whatever way it’s done which is why we chose the allow top or bottom posting with quoted text.
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On Oct 22, 2019, at 10:58 AM, Brent via Groups.Io < whodo678@...> wrote:
Since we are not using a ledger book, quill and ink pot, Mr Fenwick, newest on top, sir.
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Since we are not using a ledger book, quill and ink pot, Mr Fenwick, newest on top, sir.
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On Oct 22, 2019, at 8:28 AM, Otto Nikolaus via Groups.Io < otto.nikolaus@...> wrote:
On Tue, 22 Oct 2019 at 16:21, jimrobertson via Groups.Io <jimrobertson= [email protected]> wrote: On Oct 22, 2019, at 9:01 AM, Pat Taylor via Groups.Io < pat412@...> wrote:
Thanks, Otto!? I agree with your comments.? I can easily bottom-post from my iMac, but not so much from my iPad.
Actually, I don’t have much trouble bottom-posting even from my iPhone, and I’m one of those long-over-30 guys for whom all that’s needed to use the iPhone is an intact non-dominant hand to hold it and a forefinger to stab its screen.
I also agree that not enforcing one or the other mode on users is probably better (of course with hopes that the logic of bottom posting will win the day ?
Logic? (Here we go.)?
When you file papers, receipts, etc., in a box-file, what order are they in?
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I agree with Otto, quote some of what you are replying to and attribute it, so if we have a question, we can look it up to place it in context, Jim S.
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On Oct 22, 2019, at 7:52 AM, Otto Nikolaus via Groups.Io < otto.nikolaus@...> wrote: On Tue, 22 Oct 2019 at 15:37, jimrobertson via Groups.Io <jimrobertson= [email protected]> wrote:
There is a third party app which will download all content from a Yahoo Group. It's Windows-only, and I don't know if you can upload?that same content to?.
Otto, are we now changing to Top Posting? The last several posts are in the Top Posted format, and that’s a VERY old debate, but if I were allowed a vote it would obviously be for bottom-posting, because it preseves the essence of an email conversation. It’s trivially more difficult to use, but eminently more readable.
We have never had rules about that here. My preference is for top-posting, so I can see the latest?reply immediately without scrolling through stuff I've already read, but if others bottom-post first?I follow that to avoid jumbling the sequence (as here).?
What is *much* more important is that replies quote at least part of the message they are responding to!
Otto?
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We have never had rules about that here. My preference is for top-posting, so I?can see the latest reply immediately without scrolling through stuff I've already?read, but if others bottom-post first I follow that to avoid jumbling the sequence?(as here).?
What is *much* more important is that replies quote at least part of the message they are?responding to!
Otto?
If you’re using the??web site it is easier to bottom post. Using?mail.app it is easier to top post.
We had decided long ago (and every time this discussion comes up) that?as long as the replies quote at least part of the message (as Otto?mentioned) that either top or bottom is ok.?
Dave
Not only do I find it trivially easy to bottom post using Mail, I find it?trivially easy to correct others’ top postings as well.
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I also agree that not enforcing one or the other mode on users is?probably better (of course with hopes that the?logic?of bottom posting?will win the day
Logic? (Here we go.)?
When you file papers, receipts, etc., in a box-file, what order are they in?
Otto
################ Oh! Now it makes sense to me. Okay! No more top-posting for me!
It's annoying because it reverses the normal order of conversation. In?fact, many people ignore top-posted messages.
What's so wrong with that?
That's posting your response before the message you're quoting.
People?keep?bugging me about top-posting. What does that mean?
################ And ################ ? ? ? ? ?"I'll see you at Linda's wedding." ? ? ? ? ?"Well, see ya soon." ? ? ? ? ?"Congratulations!" ? ? ? ? ?"Ten thousand a year." ? ? ? ? ?"How much?" ? ? ? ? ?"Got a really big raise this time." ? ? ? ? ?"Sorry to hear it. How's the job?" ? ? ? ? ?"She's not feeling well. Flu, I think." ? ? ? ? ?"Same as ever. How's yours?" ? ? ? ? ?"How's your wife?" ? ? ? ? ?"They painted her purple. They should call her the Prune Fart?now." ? ? ? ? ?"Good. Did you hear what Martin and Sheila did to the Sea?Breeze?" ? ? ? ? ?"Good, and you?" ? ? ? ? ?"Bill! How the heck are you?"
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On Tue, 22 Oct 2019 at 16:30, jimrobertson via Groups.Io <jimrobertson= [email protected]> wrote: That’s true as well, but the only way to prevent that would be to prevent any evolution at all.
And, of course, although Apple seems to have its ethical “heart” in the right place (at least for my place on the political spectrum), we all need to realize that the prime reason the company has done as well as it has is that it has found several ways to make lots of money for its shareholders.
My life as a 72 year old would be much more comfortable now had I, back in 1984, realized the true potential of that little box Steve Jobs pulled out of a bag that morning a few weeks after the Super Bowl. I’ve invested heavily in the company over the last 35 years, but only in the last few years as a stockholder—always before as a CUSTOMER (in other words, very aware of the personal costs of the product cycle).
Oh, to have bought ?/$1k worth of shares in 1997-8!
Otto
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Ok, we’re done with this the topic of top or bottom posting (which hijacked the original topic). Please no more post about top or bottom posting.
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We had decided long ago (and every time this discussion comes up) that as long as the replies quote at least part of the message (as Otto mentioned) that either top or bottom is ok.?
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On Oct 22, 2019, at 9:20 AM, Dave Kelly via Groups.Io < drkelly@...> wrote:
That’s true but there is the fact that sometimes Apple adds new software features to support new hardware features (or software that relies on specific hardware to work). Apple DOES make money on those hardware purchases.
That’s true as well, but the only way to prevent that would be to prevent any evolution at all.
And, of course, although Apple seems to have its ethical “heart” in the right place (at least for my place on the political spectrum), we all need to realize that the prime reason the company has done as well as it has is that it has found several ways to make lots of money for its shareholders.
My life as a 72 year old would be much more comfortable now had I, back in 1984, realized the true potential of that little box Steve Jobs pulled out of a bag that morning a few weeks after the Super Bowl. I’ve invested heavily in the company over the last 35 years, but only in the last few years as a stockholder—always before as a CUSTOMER (in other words, very aware of the personal costs of the product cycle).
Jim Robertson
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If you’re using the ?web site it is easier to bottom post. Using mail.app it is easier to top post.
We had decided long ago (and every time this discussion comes up) that as long as the replies quote at least part of the message (as Otto mentioned) that either top or bottom is ok.?
Quoting takes just a bit more thought when replying on the ?web site since replies just follow the preceding messages. You have to remember to reference the quoted message specifically since email reply won’t necessarily be looking at the previous messages.
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On Tue, 22 Oct 2019 at 15:37, jimrobertson via Groups.Io <jimrobertson= [email protected]> wrote:
There is a third party app which will download all content from a Yahoo Group. It's Windows-only, and I don't know if you can upload?that same content to?.
Otto, are we now changing to Top Posting? The last several posts are in the Top Posted format, and that’s a VERY old debate, but if I were allowed a vote it would obviously be for bottom-posting, because it preseves the essence of an email conversation. It’s trivially more difficult to use, but eminently more readable.
We have never had rules about that here. My preference is for top-posting, so I can see the latest?reply immediately without scrolling through stuff I've already read, but if others bottom-post first?I follow that to avoid jumbling the sequence (as here).?
What is *much* more important is that replies quote at least part of the message they are responding to!
Otto?
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On Tue, 22 Oct 2019 at 16:21, jimrobertson via Groups.Io <jimrobertson= [email protected]> wrote: On Oct 22, 2019, at 9:01 AM, Pat Taylor via Groups.Io < pat412@...> wrote:
Thanks, Otto!? I agree with your comments.? I can easily bottom-post from my iMac, but not so much from my iPad.
Actually, I don’t have much trouble bottom-posting even from my iPhone, and I’m one of those long-over-30 guys for whom all that’s needed to use the iPhone is an intact non-dominant hand to hold it and a forefinger to stab its screen.
I also agree that not enforcing one or the other mode on users is probably better (of course with hopes that the logic of bottom posting will win the day ?
Logic? (Here we go.)?
When you file papers, receipts, etc., in a box-file, what order are they in?
Otto
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Yebbut, we've just jumbled the sequence!
Otto
On Tue, 22 Oct 2019 at 16:02, Pat Taylor via Groups.Io <pat412= [email protected]> wrote: Thanks, Otto!? I agree with your comments.? I can easily bottom-post from my iMac, but not so much from my iPad.
Pat Pro On Oct 22, 2019, at 8:52 AM, Otto Nikolaus via Groups.Io <otto.nikolaus=[email protected]> wrote:
? On Tue, 22 Oct 2019 at 15:37, jimrobertson via Groups.Io <jimrobertson= [email protected]> wrote:
There is a third party app which will download all content from a Yahoo Group. It's Windows-only, and I don't know if you can upload?that same content to?.
Otto, are we now changing to Top Posting? The last several posts are in the Top Posted format, and that’s a VERY old debate, but if I were allowed a vote it would obviously be for bottom-posting, because it preseves the essence of an email conversation. It’s trivially more difficult to use, but eminently more readable.
We have never had rules about that here. My preference is for top-posting, so I can see the latest?reply immediately without scrolling through stuff I've already read, but if others bottom-post first?I follow that to avoid jumbling the sequence (as here).?
What is *much* more important is that replies quote at least part of the message they are responding to!
Otto?
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On Oct 22, 2019, at 9:01 AM, Pat Taylor via Groups.Io < pat412@...> wrote:
Thanks, Otto! ?I agree with your comments. ?I can easily bottom-post from my iMac, but not so much from my iPad.
Actually, I don’t have much trouble bottom-posting even from my iPhone, and I’m one of those long-over-30 guys for whom all that’s needed to use the iPhone is an intact non-dominant hand to hold it and a forefinger to stab its screen.
I also agree that not enforcing one or the other mode on users is probably better (of course with hopes that the logic of bottom posting will win the day ?
Jim Robertson
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