Re: Is there any way to rediscover the origins of an email pdf attachement
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On Oct 23, 2019, at 2:15 PM, rlhamil < rlhamil@...> wrote:
Here's something else that may ?work, using Terminal, although it's more difficult.
I’ll certainly agree with that!!!!!!
Well beyond my abilities, for certain, but perhaps there are members here who understand the classic joke
“There are 10 kinds of people in the world; those who understand binary, and those who don’t”
for whom this might be an insightful tip.
Jim Robertson
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On Oct 23, 2019, at 2:51 PM, jimrobertson via Groups.Io < jimrobertson@...> wrote:
I still don’t understand why Apple is insisting that we no longer run 32-bit apps. Clearly the hardware can still run them. Does crafting the new OS to permit that somehow limit its capability, or prevent some security protections from working correctly?
I googled why 64 bit applications and got a few answers:
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Does Disk Utility show the drives? If not, try diskutil list
The application does (sort-of) show the 2 contributions to the Fusion drive, but it provides less information than does Micromat’s MachineProfile, which displays both the rotating platter internal SATA drive (5800 rpm) and the PCI module SSD (28 GB — amazing that we now think of that as being “small.”
People at OWC tells me I’d get the best performance from an OWC PCIe SSD, which isn’t TOO much more than a SATA module, leaving the current internal rotating platter drive in place. I could reinstall Mojave on it, but of course it wouldn’t be as snappy as it is now without a tiny PCI-e “turbocharger” SSD as part of the same logical volume. I don’t have a bunch or 32-bit apps hanging around, however, and I doubt that if I installed Catalina on the Aura-Pro 2X 1 GB PCI-e SSD I ‘d be booting to that laggardly internal rotating platter drive very often.
I have one other (sort of) related question, although we’ve wandered pretty far afield from why SEE Finance can take so long to load as an app.
I still don’t understand why Apple is insisting that we no longer run 32-bit apps. Clearly the hardware can still run them. Does crafting the new OS to permit that somehow limit its capability, or prevent some security protections from working correctly?
Thanks so much,
Jim Robertson
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Re: Is there any way to rediscover the origins of an email pdf attachement
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Here's something else that may ?work, using Terminal, although it's more difficult. ?The ?example attachment was a small photo in another group member's ?email. This was done on Mojave.
sh-3.2$ xattr -l 'Jim logo small.jpg' com.apple.metadata:com_apple_mail_dateReceived: 00000000 ?62 70 6C 69 73 74 30 30 33 41 C1 B0 54 FD 80 00 ?|bplist003A..T...| 00000010 ?00 08 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 ?|................| 00000020 ?00 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ?|................| 00000030 ?00 11 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?|..| 00000032 com.apple.metadata:com_apple_mail_dateSent: 00000000 ?62 70 6C 69 73 74 30 30 300000000 ?62 70 6C 69 73 74 30 30 300000000 ?62 70 6C 69 73 74 30 30 33 41 C1 B0 57 0F 00 00 ?|bplist003A..W...| 00000010 ?00 08 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 ?|................| 00000020 ?00 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ?|................| 00000030 ?00 11 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?|..| 00000032 com.apple.metadata:com_apple_mail_isRemoteAttachment: 00000000 ?62 70 6C 69 73 74 30 30 08 08 00 00 00 00 00 00 ?|bplist00........| 00000010 ?01 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 ?|................| 00000020 ?00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 09 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?|..........| 0000002a com.apple.metadata:kMDItemWhereFroms: 00000000 ?62 70 6C 69 73 74 30 30 A3 01 02 03 5F 10 34 22 ?|bplist00...._.4"| 00000010 ?4A 69 6D 20 53 61 6B 6C 61 64 20 76 69 61 20 47 ?|Jim Saklad via G| 00000020 ?72 6F 75 70 73 2E 49 6F 22 20 3C 6A 69 6D 64 6F ?|roups.Io" <jimdo| 00000030 ?63 3D 6D 65 2E 63 6F 6D 40 67 72 6F 75 70 73 2E ?|c=@groups.| 00000040 ?69 6F 3E 5F 10 37 52 65 3A 20 5B 6D 61 63 73 75 ?|io>_.7Re: [macsu| 00000050 ?70 70 6F 72 74 63 65 6E 74 72 61 6C 5D 20 51 75 ?|pportcentral] Qu| 00000060 ?65 73 74 69 6F 6E 20 66 6F 72 20 53 45 45 20 46 ?|estion for SEE F| 00000070 ?69 6E 61 6E 63 65 20 75 73 65 72 73 3F 5F 10 39 ?|inance users?_.9| 00000080 ?6D 65 73 73 61 67 65 3A 25 33 43 43 39 46 32 46 ?|message:%3CC9F2F| 00000090 ?38 46 30 2D 37 35 42 30 2D 34 31 44 43 2D 39 30 ?|8F0-75B0-41DC-90| 000000A0 ?31 36 2D 34 30 45 39 45 43 31 31 30 32 42 42 40 ?|16-40E9EC1102BB@| 000000B0 ?6D 65 2E 63 6F 6D 25 33 45 08 0C 43 7D 00 00 00 ?|%3E..C}...| 000000C0 ?00 00 00 01 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 04 00 00 00 ?|................| 000000D0 ?00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 B9 ? ? ? ? ? |.............| 000000dd com.apple.quarantine: 0082;5db0afec;Mail;
Note the typical 'com.apple.quarantine' for something downloaded; also some other metadata for dates sent and received - ?one would have a bit of work converting them, because ?the dates are NOT text format. And finally, the interesting extended attribute, com.apple.metadata:kMDItemWhereFroms, which appears ?to have the subject and message-id in it, sufficient that one might be able to track down the ?specific e-mail it came from, ?although Spotlight may not be much help there.
Safari does something similar (other than ?the specifically mail-related extended ?attributes) ?for downloads, which would ?show ?the URL it came ?from.
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On Oct 23, 2019, at 11:58 AM, Brent via Groups.Io < whodo678@...> wrote:
I believe he is not trying to locate the file, but to find out how he got a copy of it.
That’s true, but once Bev showed me how to find the paths to email attachments, I found out where it came from (attached to a specific email). I knew I had one copy in my ~/Downloads folder, but the expanded utility of Spotlight Bev showed me enabled me to see there was another copy in my email database, and from there, using infoClick and the path to that file I was able to see when it appeared in my computer and discover which email message it came with (if you open a PDF email attachment rather than just doing a quicklook, that copy is saved to your downloads folder without telling you how it got there).
Jim Robertson
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Re: Is there any way to rediscover the origins of an email pdf attachement
#Mail
On Oct 23, 2019, at 2:42 PM, jimrobertson via Groups.Io < jimrobertson@...> wrote:
On Oct 23, 2019, at 11:58 AM, Brent via Groups.Io < whodo678@...> wrote:
I believe he is not trying to locate the file, but to find out how he got a copy of it.
That’s true, but once Bev showed me how to find the paths to email attachments, I found out where it came from (attached to a specific email). I knew I had one copy in my ~/Downloads folder, but the expanded utility of Spotlight Bev showed me enabled me to see there was another copy in my email database, and from there, using infoClick and the path to that file I was able to see when it appeared in my computer and discover which email message it came with (if you open a PDF email attachment rather than just doing a quicklook, that copy is saved to your downloads folder without telling you how it got there).
Jim Robertson
It turns out that Spotlight “sometimes” shows the email message and at others it does not. ?In my small test it did show the email message, as shown in the attached picture, displays that Spotlight added a “MAIL & MESSAGES” section in which it placed the email messages.
In another test Spotlight showed the email message under “TOP HIT”, but in another test Spotlight showed no email messages at all. ?I haven’t figured out why. ?I do have “Mail & Messages” selected in System Preferences, Spotlight, so that’s not the problem.
Another thought was the email search that Dave suggested. ?I tried that and was able to select its “Attachments" suggestion, which it easily found. ?You can add more items to the search as shown in Mail’s Help, Find email, Search for messages. ?You can enter dates. ?However, your solution of using InfoClick took the cake — it's much more intuitive than Mail’s searches.
-- Bev in TX
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Re: Is there any way to rediscover the origins of an email pdf attachement
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On Oct 23, 2019, at 11:58 AM, Brent via Groups.Io < whodo678@...> wrote:
I believe he is not trying to locate the file, but to find out how he got a copy of it.
That’s true, but once Bev showed me how to find the paths to email attachments, I found out where it came from (attached to a specific email). I knew I had one copy in my ~/Downloads folder, but the expanded utility of Spotlight Bev showed me enabled me to see there was another copy in my email database, and from there, using infoClick and the path to that file I was able to see when it appeared in my computer and discover which email message it came with (if you open a PDF email attachment rather than just doing a quicklook, that copy is saved to your downloads folder without telling you how it got there).
Jim Robertson
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On Wed, 23 Oct 2019 at 19:12, Jim Saklad via Groups.Io <jimdoc= [email protected]> wrote: I *think* Apple implementation is that there are a physically separate?“blade” SSD and a SATA rotating disk HD which are *electronically*?merged to act like a single fused drive. iFixit’s site shows your model with a blade SSD and also with a HDD. If you replaced the HDD with a SATA SSD (e.g.,?an?OWC Mercury Extreme?Pro 6G) in 1- or 2-TB size,?I don’t know how you would tell?the OS to NOT try to make it a fusion drive.
Or maybe, while you’re in there, you also replace the small blade SSD with a not-quite-so-small super-fast SSD, and let the 2 be a fusion pair.
Does Disk Utility show the drives? If not, try diskutil list in Terminal. According to <> the flash storage is in the range 24 - 128 GB.
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So, before I do iMac surgery, I need to figure out whether I need a?“stick” SSD or a “drive” size SSD to replace my Fusion drive. I think?there’s a way to reformat the SSD portion of the Fusion drive and leave?it in the case, but I suspect if I want the fastest performance I want the?SSD “stick” to insert on the motherboard in the same place, in which the?SSD part of the Fusion drive becomes useless silicon, and perhaps the?rotating platter becomes a second internal drive.
Jim Robertson
I *think* Apple implementation is that there are a physically separate?“blade” SSD and a SATA rotating disk HD which are *electronically*?merged to act like a single fused drive. iFixit’s site shows your model with a blade SSD and also with a HDD. If you replaced the HDD with a SATA SSD (e.g.,?an?OWC Mercury Extreme?Pro 6G) in 1- or 2-TB size,?I don’t know how you would tell?the OS to NOT try to make it a fusion drive.
Or maybe, while you’re in there, you also replace the small blade SSD with a not-quite-so-small super-fast SSD, and let the 2 be a fusion pair.
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Re: Is there any way to rediscover the origins of an email pdf attachement
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I believe he is not trying to locate the file, but to find out how he got a copy of it.
Sent from my iPad,
Brent
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On Oct 23, 2019, at 7:10 AM, Bev in TX <countryone77@...> wrote:
On Oct 22, 2019, at 4:08 PM, jimrobertson via Groups.Io <jimrobertson@...> wrote:
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I have no idea how this pdf came to live in my downloads folder. It’s conceivable I received it from a fellow-claimant in an email, but I don’t really know that it started life on my machine as an email attachment. Is there any way to discover that? On my Mac (El Capitan 11.6), doing a Spotlight search for a file finds all a file’s locations, including the folder in which it is contained in Mail. You may need to wait a little for everything to appear (at least I did). I don’t know whether that works for all Mail apps, or just Apple’s.
Bev
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Bev in TX
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On Oct 23, 2019, at 9:49 AM, Jim Saklad via Groups.Io < jimdoc@...> wrote:
Some of this is almost undoubtedly stuff being read from the HD side of the Fusion drive onto the SSD for faster use, but being cleared off in favor of other uses after a period of not being accessed.
So, before I do iMac surgery, I need to figure out whether I need a “stick” SSD or a “drive” size SSD to replace my Fusion drive. I think there’s a way to reformat the SSD portion of the Fusion drive and leave it in the case, but I suspect if I want the fastest performance I want the SSD “stick” to insert on the motherboard in the same place, in which the SSD part of the Fusion drive becomes useless silicon, and perhaps the rotating platter becomes a second internal drive.
Jim Robertson
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[macsupport] Mac Pro 2019 - Number of TB Ports
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Hi Dan,
How are you planning on using the Thunderbolt connections?
My read on the Thunderbolt ports is 12 max.
My understanding of HDMI thunderbolt adapters is that they allow video (not data) signal. It is used for connection of HDMI monitors to systems. I would be amazed if worked as a data cable to a thunderbolt drive.
Display port never worked (for me and my clients, your mileage may vary) previously with thunderbolt for data connections.
Regarding the USB-C, allow me to send you to an article from last year:
Paul
MacTech Services -- ?Supporting the Greater Los Angeles? Macintosh?Community since 1988. ? ? ? ? ? ?626-449-5529
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Howdy.?
I think I need some help to figure out the number of Thunderbolt 3?
ports on the new Mac Pro 2019 tower (not yet released).?
Here's the link to the Mac Pro and specs on Apple's web site (the USA?
site).??
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How many TB3 ports???
Is it 4 on the basic model with 2 on top and 2 in back??
Is it a possible 12 if optional video/GPU cards are added??
What about any of the other ports like DisplayPort, HDMI, and USB-3???
Can any of these be used with an adapter for Thunderbolt???
Denver Dan?
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Too bad it never did. On Oct 22, 2019, at 8:30 PM, Sew Walker < sewnyes@...> wrote:
I want to see if this gets to the group
Sue
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Re: Is there any way to rediscover the origins of an email pdf attachement
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On my Mac (El Capitan 11.6), doing a Spotlight search for a file finds all a file’s locations, including the folder in which it is contained in Mail. ?You may need to wait a little for everything to appear (at least I did). ?I don’t know whether that works for all Mail apps, or just Apple’s.
Of course, the big question is “how long is ‘a little?’” I think I answered that for myself by searching for a PDF attachment to another email I received recently. A spotlight search shows two iterations, but I didn't know how to make spotlight show the path to those two separate instances. (I’m on Mojave). However, I learned via a web search that holding down the “Command” key while hovering over the document preview will show the path to the file at the bottom of the Spotlight window. If the file is an email attachment, that path may be 10 layers deep and won’t display in total, but if (while the preview is visible in the right pane of the spotlight window and the file path still visible at the bottom, one clicks the enter/return key, the selected file will open.
Once the file is open, clicking the filename at the top of its window will reveal the entire path.
It would be nice if I could widen the spotlight window onscreen to eliminate the need to actually open the file in order to see its path.
Now I just need to figure out if knowing the path to a file that’s an email attachment allows me to know what message it was originally attached to.
Actually, I 诲颈诲苍’迟 need to do that. I was able to use InfoClick to create a very specific search for emails coming from people who might have sent me that on the day in question (date it arrived on my computer) and found it!
Thanks SO much for the Spotlight trick!!!
Jim
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The Scimonoce Software folks answered my inquiry about the slow launch times of SEE Finance and acknowledged that it does load its entire database into RAM at launch. However, I’ve discovered a few other oddities that puzzle me.
- If I have a bunch of apps open on the 1 TB Fusion-Drive, 8 GB RAM iMac, so that the RAM in use shown by Activity Monitor is about 7 GB and the swap file is > 1 GB, then launch SEE Finance for the first time in awhile, it can take 50 seconds to open its first account window (there’s a “Loading” flash screen displayed until then).
- Here’s what’s weird: if immediately, I quit from SEE Finance, then launch it again, it only takes about 10 seconds to load and display the same account window.
- Here’s what’s even MORE weird. If I reboot the iMac and make sure that the only app with a user controlled interface that autolaunches is Activity Monitor, launching SEE Finance (with less than 4 GB of RAM in use) again takes 50 seconds for first launch, 10 seconds for relaunch.
I’m guessing (wildly guessing) that there are two bumps in the road to launch. One is probably the 8 GB of total RAM; the second may be the Fusion Drive, and how/where the OS puts stuff (rotating platter vs the very small SSD that’s part of the Fusion drive) when I launch the app.
I was about to suggest that, if you have an SSD to work with, that you try booting from, and starting SEE from the SSD. Then I remembered that what you said you had is a 1TB Fusion drive.
Some of this is almost undoubtedly stuff being read from the HD side of the Fusion drive onto the SSD for faster use, but being cleared off in favor of other uses after a period of not being accessed.
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On Oct 21, 2019, at 7:31 PM, jimrobertson via Groups.Io < jimrobertson@...> wrote:
Just now I looked at the same task (launching SEE Finance) on my late 2016 15” Quad Core i7 MacBook Pro 2.7 GHz , 16 GBytes RAM, 512 GB internal SSD. The program loaded completely in 10 seconds, and occupied about 850 MB of RAM when it was finished loading. That’s a comparable space to what’s committed on the iMac, where my swap file is twice the size and the total available RAM is half as much.
So, I suspect more RAM might help. I’ll contact the developer for verification or other ideas.
The Scimonoce Software folks answered my inquiry about the slow launch times of SEE Finance and acknowledged that it does load its entire database into RAM at launch. However, I’ve discovered a few other oddities that puzzle me.
- If I have a bunch of apps open on the 1 TB Fusion-Drive, 8 GB RAM iMac, so that the RAM in use shown by Activity Monitor is about 7 GB and the swap file is > 1 GB, then launch SEE Finance for the first time in awhile, it can take 50 seconds to open its first account window (there’s a “Loading” flash screen displayed until then).
- Here’s what’s weird: if immediately, I quit from SEE Finance, then launch it again, it only takes about 10 seconds to load and display the same account window.
- Here’s what’s even MORE weird. If I reboot the iMac and make sure that the only app with a user controlled interface that autolaunches is Activity Monitor, launching SEE Finance (with less than 4 GB of RAM in use) again takes 50 seconds for first launch, 10 seconds for relaunch.
I’m guessing (wildly guessing) that there are two bumps in the road to launch. One is probably the 8 GB of total RAM; the second may be the Fusion Drive, and how/where the OS puts stuff (rotating platter vs the very small SSD that’s part of the Fusion drive) when I launch the app.
Despite the videos I’ve watched regarding upgrading the innards of a 21.5 inch iMac (which should be accompanied by the March to the Gallows Scherzo from Berlioz’s Symphonie Fantastique as a soundtrack), I think I might take that leap, but I certainly won’t tell my wife first! While I’m in there, if it’s possible I’ll swap out the Fusion Drive and replace it with a fast SSD.
If no one hears from me for a few days, you’ll know what I’m doing (but it won’t be now; I’ll give fellow list members plenty of time to try to talk me out of it).
The curious cat in me will also want to experiment a bit to see which wrinkle in the architecture of my iMac is the greater impediment to full-throttle performance (RAM limitation or Fusion Drive). To sort that out, I think I’d have to do the upgrades separately from each other, but I certainly don’t want to peel that 4K display off the front of the so-thin chassis twice. I have an external monitor; does anyone know if the iMac can be operated without the screen in place hiding its internal organs?
Jim Robertson
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Re: Is there any way to rediscover the origins of an email pdf attachement
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On Oct 22, 2019, at 4:08 PM, jimrobertson via Groups.Io <jimrobertson@...> wrote:
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I have no idea how this pdf came to live in my downloads folder. It’s conceivable I received it from a fellow-claimant in an email, but I don’t really know that it started life on my machine as an email attachment. Is there any way to discover that? On my Mac (El Capitan 11.6), doing a Spotlight search for a file finds all a file’s locations, including the folder in which it is contained in Mail. You may need to wait a little for everything to appear (at least I did). I don’t know whether that works for all Mail apps, or just Apple’s. Bev -- Bev in TX
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You really don't need to reply as the email is posted to the group. If it doesn't show, then they need to contact the owner. ,?
Brent
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On Oct 22, 2019, at 7:47 PM, Tony M via Groups.Io < nyrngrz@...> wrote: Received
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On Oct 22, 2019, at 5:30 PM, Sew Walker < sewnyes@...> wrote:
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?I think I now joined. I hope so. ?how do I reply to a posts?
Sue
Tap your choice of the links just below your quoted message here to select to who and how you want to reply.
I think <Command><r> defaults to “Reply to group"
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On Oct 22, 2019, at 8:32 PM, Sew Walker <sewnyes@...> wrote:
?I think I now joined. I hope so. ?how do I reply to a posts?
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