Tracking sleep in iOS/watchOS
I have central sleep apnea, for which I sleep using an ¡°ASV¡± (automated servo-ventilation) machine. Recently, for no reason other than ¡°I can,¡± I started using the iOS and watchOS ¡°Health¡± apps to track my sleep stages (light, deep, and REM), but it seems I must MANUALLY activate the ¡°Sleep¡± app on my watch in order for that to work. Is that how it should be? Both watchOS and iOS are current. My phone is a 14Pro and my watch is a Series 7 (GPS + Cellular). If I don¡¯t do that, my phone shows interrupted blocks of time all in turquoise color and DRAMATICALLY overstates my sleep time, including even times when I¡¯m up and walking around.
Has anyone else tried using this? It seems bizarrely inaccurate (again, unless the last thing I do when getting into bed is to MANUALLY ?trigger the ¡°Sleep¡± app on my watch.
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Jim Robertson
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Re: Upgrade OS from High Sierra on 2017 iMac
On 25 Mar 2025, at 03:02, Randy B. Singer via groups.io <randy@...> wrote:
On Mar 23, 2025, at 10:48 PM, Patsy Price <beyondwords@...> wrote:
I followed those links but couldn't figure out how to download that Chromium. Go to:
The latest release, right at the top, is numbered: 1303823
Download the file called:
¡°1303823.³ú¾±±è"
It¡¯s near the top. I¡¯m not sure why this is so hard and scaring people. I think the issue might be that there is no link to a .dmg file (the usual Mac format for app installations) or even something clearly labelled ¡°for macOS 10.xx.yy¡±. How does one tell which of those applies to which macOS version anyway? Otto
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Re: Upgrade OS from High Sierra on 2017 iMac
I wrote: > I followed those links but couldn't figure out how to download that Chromium.
Randy replied: >Go to:>https://github.com/blueboxd/chromium-legacy/releases>The latest release, right at the top, is numbered: 1303823>Download the file called:>¡°1303823.³ú¾±±è">It¡¯s near the top. ? >I¡¯m not sure why this is so hard and scaring people. Before I had no idea what to click on. This time you told me. Thank you.
Got it! Downloaded okay. But... ¡°Chromium.app¡± can¡¯t be opened because it is from an unidentified developer. " Your security preferences allow installation of only apps from the App Store and identified developers."So I found my security prefs and went through a couple of steps to tell it to open.
Next challenge: It wanted me to sign in to my Google account. I haven't used my Google account for ages! It's tied to an old business email I no longer use. But I found what was needed. Unfortunately the Captcha phoned me with a code and the ring woke up my partner. (I wished I had waited till daytime to try to get in.)
So, Chromium is now on my computer, I'm signed in, and I was able to go to a couple of websites.
I don't want to know now. But sometime soon I'll ask you about getting Chromium set up.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
Thank you for getting me this far. (And I definitely DON'T want to upgrade my OS myself!!!)
Patsy
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Re: Upgrade OS from High Sierra on 2017 iMac
On Mar 23, 2025, at 10:48 PM, Patsy Price <beyondwords@...> wrote:
I followed those links but couldn't figure out how to download that Chromium. Go to: The latest release, right at the top, is numbered: 1303823 Download the file called: ¡°1303823.³ú¾±±è" It¡¯s near the top. I¡¯m not sure why this is so hard and scaring people. __________________________________________________ Randy B. Singer Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions) Essential But Hard To Find Macintosh Software and Advice __________________________________________________
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That is not a failure of the browser, but a problem with yahoo not following the users wishes, and not following industry standard. I too, use yahoo e-ddresses. I keep having a variation the number of unread emails between my Mac and iPhone. I thought that Mail.app syncing was not working properly. Then I noticed it wa only with my yahoo accounts, even though my my accounts ae IMAP.?
Brent ?
On my late 2012 Mac mini running 10.15.7?
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Patsy:
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I also went to the link Randy provided and figured any browser that makes it that hard to figure out how to download it, can't possibly be user friendly.
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I can't use Safari or Brave with Yahoo mail with HIgh Sierra. Safari simply won't function due to the High Sierra OS I am using and Brave - regardless of the various ad blocker/privacy settings I use - keeps resulting in Yahoo mail popping up and telling me I am violating the terms of use of the new version of Yahoo mail because I am using ad blockers!
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The more things are getting "fixed" by some of these updated "improved" outfits, the poorer they function.
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John
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If it's not broke, don't fix it.
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Patsy:
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I also went to the link Randy provided and figured any browser that makes it that hard to figure out how to download it, can't possibly be user friendly.
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I can't use Safari or Brave with Yahoo mail with HIgh Sierra. Safari simply won't function due to the High Sierra OS I am using and Brave - regardless of the various ad blocker/privacy settings I use - keeps resulting in Yahoo mail popping up and telling me I am violating the terms of use of the new version of Yahoo mail because I am using ad blockers!
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The more things are getting "fixed" by some of these updated "improved" outfits, the poorer they function.
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John
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If it's not broke, don't fix it.
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Re: Upgrade OS from High Sierra on 2017 iMac
0Otto Nikolaus wrote: For many years now I¡¯ve preferred to buy MacBooks (Pro or Air). They are more than powerful enough for anything that we do, and are so much more flexible that a desktop computer. You can, of course, use a laptop/notebook on a desk if you prefer, and if the screen is a little small, you can use an external monitor instead of the built-in one.
From 1998 to 2022 I got used to a portable computer with a 13-15¡± screen. As I aged, I realized I no longer much needed portability, but the laptop ergonomics were getting bothersome.
My first step was to get a good monitor (I got a 24¡± LG 4K model; at my desk I don¡¯t sit far enough from the monitor to need a 27¡± one). And a separate keyboard and trackpad.
And I used my last Macbook Pro (2013 model) in clamshell mode.
When it came time to replace the computer, I decided to move to a desktop machine, and chose a Mac Mini.
I have no problem continuing to use the monitor, keyboard, and trackpad long after I¡¯ve decided to upgrade the computer; my next move will be to replace the desktop computer with, likely, a Macbook Air.
Did you realize that an M4 Macbook Air is MORE powerful in most benchmarks than an M1 Max Mac Studio?
jimdoc@...
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Re: Upgrade OS from High Sierra on 2017 iMac
On the matter of browsers with High Sierra, there is the rare occasion where a site doesn¡¯t like Safari, and in those cases I¡¯ve used Chrome or Firefox. ?I don¡¯t recall how I found Chrome, but it would have been a web search for Chrome on High Sierra.
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On backups, I¡¯ve had the odd hiccup with Time Machine, and so, now and then, do a straight copy of documents onto an external drive. ? That has worked going back to the Atari 520.
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Yea, I had to ask for help, and would need help to to it again, and I¡¯m only 71.
Brent
On my iPhone Xr
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On Mar 23, 2025, at 22:48, Patsy Price via groups.io <beyondwords@...> wrote:
I followed those links but couldn't figure out how to download that Chromium. Brent may have eventually navigated those pages, but they're a complete mystery to me. Help!
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Has anyone noticed the red marker on this Google search page?
Can anyone here actually vouch for 'John Daniel'?
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Re: Upgrade OS from High Sierra on 2017 iMac
On 24 Mar 2025, at 09:53, Randy B. Singer via groups.io <randy@...> wrote:
There is no reason why you have to purchase a Mac that is brand-new. You can save a bundle of money simply by purchasing a used or refurbished Mac that¡¯s, let¡¯s say only three years old. Such a Mac will probably last another nine or ten years. For many years now I¡¯ve preferred to buy MacBooks (Pro or Air). They are more than powerful enough for anything that we do, and are so much more flexible that a desktop computer. You can, of course, use a laptop/notebook on a desk if you prefer, and if the screen is a little small, you can use an external monitor instead of the built-in one. Ours are 2012 models and we are likely to buy newer (not new but nearly so) ones in the next year or so... Otto
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On Mar 23, 2025, at 11:00 PM, Patsy Price via groups.io <beyondwords@...> wrote:
Migration Assistant would be wonderful. How will I know when I need a new Mac? I'll come back to you then, You¡¯ll know that you need a new Mac because it will become impossible to find a browser that is reliably compatible with all the Web sites you visit. You may also find that your Mac is no longer compatible with modern software that you want to run and/or some of your existing software won¡¯t be compatible with the Internet or common file formats. The common term for all this is ¡°technology drift.¡± It means that your computer is too old to remain compatible with what you want to do.
I see that the 27" has been discontinued.
Apple is rumored to be working on a new large-screen iMac. No way to know when it might be released though. And new iMacs are very expensive. I don't have that kind of money. My partner bought this iMac for me before he retired and his income dropped. He has no patience with Macs. I'm afraid my next computer will have Windows, and I'll have to learn that. There is no reason why you have to purchase a Mac that is brand-new. You can save a bundle of money simply by purchasing a used or refurbished Mac that¡¯s, let¡¯s say only three years old. Such a Mac will probably last another nine or ten years. __________________________________________________ Randy B. Singer Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions) Essential But Hard To Find Macintosh Software and Advice __________________________________________________
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Randy wrote: >When the day comes that she has ?purchased a new Mac, she can use Migration Assistant to move all of her data to a new Mac.??
Migration Assistant would be wonderful. How will I know when I need a new Mac? I'll come back to you then,
I see that the 27" has been discontinued. And new iMacs are very expensive. I don't have that kind of money. My partner bought this iMac for me before he retired and his income dropped. He has no patience with Macs. I'm afraid my next computer will have Windows, and I'll have to learn that.
I started with an Apple IIe. Then an original Mac II with a large display. And Macs ever since. I want to stay with Macs and large screens!
Patsy
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About browsers: I still use Brave and Safari for sites where they still work. For other sites I use Chrome: Version 116.0.5845.187 (Official Build) (x86_64).? So far I've only run into a couple of sites that had reduced function in my Chrome. But every time I use it it gives me this message: "To get future Google Chrome updates, you'll need macOS 10.15 or later."
Randy wrote: >For now all that she needs is to download a Web browser that works reliably under High Sierra. >>This one is made to order:
> >Chromium-legacy (free) >"(Chrome stable channel)" for Mac OS X 10.7 to macOS 10.14 >https://github.com/blueboxd/chromium-legacy >Download page: >https://github.com/blueboxd/chromium-legacy/releases I followed those links but couldn't figure out how to download that Chromium.? Brent may have eventually navigated those pages, but they're a complete mystery to me. Help!
Patsy
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Re: Upgrade OS from High Sierra on 2017 iMac
Bayswater wrote:
>> If the problem is browsers that are not supported, perhaps all you need to to is update the browser.
Randy B Singer wrote: >I very much agree. ?I think that Patsy will be overwhelmed by backing up, upgrading her OS, ?and then sorting out all of her software that needs to be replaced.
>I used to recommend that folks routinely upgrade their OS, but now I recommend that you stand pat unless there is something really important that a new OS will bring you. ?I especially recommend standing pat for seniors.
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>For now all that she needs is to download a Web browser that works reliably under High Sierra.
Thank you Baywater and Randy!!!
I'm an 83-year-old senior with a brain that doesn't work as well as it used to. I'm now a slow learner. I'm even more stressed out by change than I used to be, and I'm easily overwhelmed. I've been overwhelmed by even the thought of upgrading my OS and doing everything else necessary. I'm quite relieved that I don't need to upgrade my OS now. I can stay with High Sierra!
To confirm, my computer is iMac (Retina 5K, 27-inch, 2017). I should have checked that before starting this thread.
About backup: I have Time Machine. Only once, long ago, have I retrieved a file from Time Machine. For safety do I also need a clone even if I'm not upgrading my OS??
Next message about browsers.
Patsy
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On Mar 23, 2025, at 7:10 AM, Jim Willett via groups.io <jimwillett@...> wrote:
I purchased it from an outfit called Expand Mac Mini. I do hope that you are aware that to successfully pull off the upgrade with this kit, that you will need access to another Apple Silicon Mac other than your new Mac mini? __________________________________________________ Randy B. Singer Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions) Essential But Hard To Find Macintosh Software and Advice __________________________________________________
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Thank you, Bev for the corrections and your search methods. I am always trying to improve my methods, so comparing to others is usually a help. And yes, we all focus of different things.?
Another respondent suggested?Chromium-legacy, a browser upgrade. While navigating that site might be easy for him, it was not for me, and I am moderately tech-literate. Luckily I only needed it while I moved from Lion to Catalina.?
Brent ?
On my late 2012 Mac mini running 10.15.7?
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SEVEN WEEKS seems unconscionably long to ship a RAM module.
Jim Willett wrote: I purchased it from an outfit called Expand Mac Mini. I made the order on February 1 and still waiting. ?Their site said it was to be shipped this past week. Maybe tomorrow. ?
jimdoc@...
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I purchased it from an outfit called Expand Mac Mini. I made the order on February 1 and still waiting. ?Their site said it was to be shipped this past week. Maybe tomorrow. ?
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Re: Upgrade OS from High Sierra on 2018 iMac
On Mar 22, 2025, at 7:23 AM, Bayswater via groups.io <Bayswater@...> wrote:
If the problem is browsers that are not supported, perhaps all you need to to is update the browser. I very much agree. I think that Patsy will be overwhelmed by backing up, upgrading her OS, and then sorting out all of her software that needs to be replaced. I used to recommend that folks routinely upgrade their OS, but now I recommend that you stand pat unless there is something really important that a new OS will bring you. I especially recommend standing pat for seniors. Patsy has an 8 year old Macintosh. She will likely need a new Mac in two to three years. When the day comes that she has purchased a new Mac, she can use Migration Assistant to move all of her data to a new Mac. For now all that she needs is to download a Web browser that works reliably under High Sierra. This one is made to order: Chromium-legacy (free) "(Chrome stable channel)" for Mac OS X 10.7 to macOS 10.14 Download page: __________________________________________________ Randy B. Singer Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions) Essential But Hard To Find Macintosh Software and Advice __________________________________________________
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