Re: 2023 14" M3 MacBook Pro with partially freezing UI
I just ran the site on my M1 Pro, 16GB RAM, 1TB SSD. Sequoia 15.1.1.
I have three windows open in Safari.
Opened a new tab @ kbzk.? Came up immediately at approximately 150MB in Activity Monitor. Went to the story about the $6.2 million banana taped to the wall. Activity Monitor said Memory Usage went up to about 225MB and stayed stable.
I’ve got 1 window open in Orion (Safari codebase, but like Brave, much more secure). Opened a new tab @ kbzk.? Came up immediately at approximately 105MB in Activity Monitor. Went to the story about the stupid ICC issuing arrest warrants for dead people. Activity Monitor said Memory Usage went up to about 150MB and stayed stable.
While writing this email, without changing either tab, Activity Monitor had memory on both tabs at about 150MB.
Currently, I have Brave with 4 windows, DuckDuckGo with 1 window, Firefox with 1 Window, Orion with 1 Windo & Safari with 3 windows. Also Mail & jDownloader open.
Actually, I’ve got way more than just that open by the looks of things, although some of those are in the background.
Not sure this’ll help, but here you go!
The top kzbk is Orion. The second kzbk is Safari.
All pretty low considering.
When was the last time you ran a disk check Jim?
When was the last time you cleaned out your system using Onyx?
What about just cleaning Safari??
Hope this helps
cjc
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On 23 Nov 2024, at 9:36?am, Brent via groups.io <whodo678@...> wrote:
I ran your test on my late 2012?Mac mini running 10.15.7, with 8 GB of Memory. I opened 3 tabs in Safar in this order, Apple, HP and kbzk. Of the three sites, Apple and HP decreased their memory usage, while kbzk slowly increased its usage ?within minutes, no matter if it was infront or not.
Brave is not available for Catalina, so I tried the same for Firefox. Firefox does not breakout web site memory usage, and does not appear to increase the memory usage for just a few open tabs.?
It appears that kbzk’s site is either poorly written or has been hacked, and Safari might have an unwanted feature.?
Brent ?
On my Mac mini running 10.15.7?
Perhaps someone might be willing to see what happens in Safari if they open??(actually <>) on their own Apple Silicon or Intel Macs.
I’ve done just that myself on my 2017 21.5” iMac running the version of Safari that’s designated for Ventura 13.6.7. I suspect a UI freeze will be less likely on that machine because it has 32 GB of RAM, but for at least the first several minutes of observation with the KBZK website open to its home page, RAM consumption it NOT increasing rapidly (sitting in the range of 300-350 MB).
And now, a bit more than an hour later, that one site is now using a bit more than 500 MB of RAM according to Activity Monitor, but the rate of increase has been MUCH slower. Also, perhaps because the machine has so much more RAM, there’s no sign of any decrement in simple performance, such as windows updating, etc., but I’m not doing anything known to really exercise the processor. --?
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I’m on a Mac Mini 2018, 14.6.1
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On Nov 22, 2024, at 9:16?PM, Christopher Collins via groups.io <maclist@...> wrote:
That’s not good.
You really need at least 10% free storage, preferably more, to allow macOS to operate correctly.
Chrome is also one of the worst memory hogs as far as browsers go, and allows Google to track everything you do & everywhere you go!
The favourite at the moment seems to be Brave (based on Chrome code, but much more secure).?
I prefer Orion (based on Safari, but again, much more secure).
Clear off some files to an external device until you have at least 13GB free and see if your problem goes away.
If you list what sort of Mac you have, you may be able to upgrade your included storage, unless you’re on an Apple Silicon (M-Series processors) Mac.
cjc On 23 Nov 2024, at 1:07?pm, Louise Stewart via groups.io <veggie236.art@...> wrote:
I have? 2.64 GB available of 121.02 GBOn Nov 22, 2024, at 5:27?PM, Brent via groups.io <whodo678@...> wrote:
Excuse me, find out how much available STORAGE you have on your drive.
Brent ?
On my Mac mini running 10.15.7? On Nov 22, 2024, at 2:23 PM, Brent via ??< whodo678@...> wrote:
It means Chrome has gotten out of control, force quit Chrome and start it up again. If it repeats, avoid that web site.
Your Storage on your Mac maybe too full, find out how much available memory you have on your drive.?
Brent ?
On my Mac mini running 10.15.7?
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That’s not good.
You really need at least 10% free storage, preferably more, to allow macOS to operate correctly.
Chrome is also one of the worst memory hogs as far as browsers go, and allows Google to track everything you do & everywhere you go!
The favourite at the moment seems to be Brave (based on Chrome code, but much more secure).?
I prefer Orion (based on Safari, but again, much more secure).
Clear off some files to an external device until you have at least 13GB free and see if your problem goes away.
If you list what sort of Mac you have, you may be able to upgrade your included storage, unless you’re on an Apple Silicon (M-Series processors) Mac.
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On 23 Nov 2024, at 1:07?pm, Louise Stewart via groups.io <veggie236.art@...> wrote:
I have? 2.64 GB available of 121.02 GBOn Nov 22, 2024, at 5:27?PM, Brent via groups.io <whodo678@...> wrote:
Excuse me, find out how much available STORAGE you have on your drive.
Brent ?
On my Mac mini running 10.15.7?
On Nov 22, 2024, at 2:23 PM, Brent via < whodo678@...> wrote:
It means Chrome has gotten out of control, force quit Chrome and start it up again. If it repeats, avoid that web site.
Your Storage on your Mac maybe too full, find out how much available memory you have on your drive.?
Brent ?
On my Mac mini running 10.15.7?
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Just to be pedantic, “the internet” isn’t spotty, your providers cell signal is spotty.
Might help a bit to give us some idea of:
Where do you live?
What is your phone model?
The Ryoko Pro is unlikely to get better cell signal without antennas, so “the internet” is still likely to be spotty!
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On 23 Nov 2024, at 12:32?am, Sew Walker via groups.io <sewnyes@...> wrote:
Does anyone have any thoughts on the Ryoko Pro that is a portable wifi I have Verizon as my cell program and am pleased with it. But have to pay for the monthly hotspots for areas where the internet is spotty Thanks Sue
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I have? 2.64 GB available of 121.02 GB
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On Nov 22, 2024, at 5:27?PM, Brent via groups.io <whodo678@...> wrote:
Excuse me, find out how much available STORAGE you have on your drive.
Brent ?
On my Mac mini running 10.15.7?
On Nov 22, 2024, at 2:23 PM, Brent via < whodo678@...> wrote:
It means Chrome has gotten out of control, force quit Chrome and start it up again. If it repeats, avoid that web site.
Your Storage on your Mac maybe too full, find out how much available memory you have on your drive.?
Brent ?
On my Mac mini running 10.15.7?
And how do I fix it?
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Sew Walker wrote: Does anyone have any thoughts on the Ryoko Pro that is a portable wifi
I have Verizon as my cell program and am pleased with it. But have to pay for the monthly hotspots for areas where the internet is spotty
The Ryoko device comes with a SIM card, like your cellphone, connects to the internet, and produces a Wifi hotspot your devices can use.
1. It’s a 4G cell device; its maximum Wifi speed is 150 Mbps. Any good 5G cellphone should get you faster internet.
2. The device costs $90. 3. It comes with a?Viaota SIM card. The minimum ongoing cost for that is $20 per month. Ryoko Pro is compatible with any SIM card. You can easily use it to share an internet connection using another SIM card of your choice though the pre-installed Viaota SIM card comes with added benefits which include the ability to monitor your data usage directly on the device’s screen and automatic ad-blocking. These features are exclusive to the Viaota SIM card and will not be available if you choose to use a third-party SIM.
4. Battery life is 8 hours. Most modern cell phones are longer.
My brief search found no believable objective reviews. I, personally, wouldn’t trust it to be worth the expense.
--? Jim Saklad jimdoc@...
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Re: 2023 14" M3 MacBook Pro with partially freezing UI
I ran your test on my late 2012?Mac mini running 10.15.7, with 8 GB of Memory. I opened 3 tabs in Safar in this order, Apple, HP and kbzk. Of the three sites, Apple and HP decreased their memory usage, while kbzk slowly increased its usage ?within minutes, no matter if it was infront or not.
Brave is not available for Catalina, so I tried the same for Firefox. Firefox does not breakout web site memory usage, and does not appear to increase the memory usage for just a few open tabs.?
It appears that kbzk’s site is either poorly written or has been hacked, and Safari might have an unwanted feature.?
Brent ?
On my Mac mini running 10.15.7?
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Perhaps someone might be willing to see what happens in Safari if they open??(actually <>) on their own Apple Silicon or Intel Macs.
I’ve done just that myself on my 2017 21.5” iMac running the version of Safari that’s designated for Ventura 13.6.7. I suspect a UI freeze will be less likely on that machine because it has 32 GB of RAM, but for at least the first several minutes of observation with the KBZK website open to its home page, RAM consumption it NOT increasing rapidly (sitting in the range of 300-350 MB).
And now, a bit more than an hour later, that one site is now using a bit more than 500 MB of RAM according to Activity Monitor, but the rate of increase has been MUCH slower. Also, perhaps because the machine has so much more RAM, there’s no sign of any decrement in simple performance, such as windows updating, etc., but I’m not doing anything known to really exercise the processor.
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Jim Robertson
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Excuse me, find out how much available STORAGE you have on your drive.
Brent ?
On my Mac mini running 10.15.7?
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On Nov 22, 2024, at 2:23 PM, Brent via < whodo678@...> wrote:
It means Chrome has gotten out of control, force quit Chrome and start it up again. If it repeats, avoid that web site.
Your Storage on your Mac maybe too full, find out how much available memory you have on your drive.?
Brent ?
On my Mac mini running 10.15.7?
And how do I fix it?
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It means Chrome has gotten out of control, force quit Chrome and start it up again. If it repeats, avoid that web site.
Your Storage on your Mac maybe too full, find out how much available memory you have on your drive.?
Brent ?
On my Mac mini running 10.15.7?
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And how do I fix it?
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Any cellular hotspot device is an expensive way to connect to the internet, but if that is your only option...
Brent ?
On my Mac mini running 10.15.7?
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On Nov 22, 2024, at 5:32 AM, Sew Walker via < sewnyes@...> wrote:
Does anyone have any thoughts on the Ryoko Pro that is a portable wifi I have Verizon as my cell program and am pleased with it. But have to pay for the monthly hotspots for areas where the internet is spotty Thanks Sue
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Re: problems with yesterday's update
thanks, Randy
Jeannie
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On 11/21/24 7:14 PM, Randy B. Singer via groups.io wrote:
On Nov 21, 2024, at 2:44 PM, Jeannie Girard via groups.io <photojeannie8@...> wrote:
I lost my upper tool bars. Try hitting: Command-Option-T
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Re: 2023 14" M3 MacBook Pro with partially freezing UI
On Nov 21, 2024, at 7:30?PM, jimrobertson via groups.io <jimrobertson@...> wrote:
Perhaps someone might be willing to see what happens in Safari if they open??(actually <>) on their own Apple Silicon or Intel Macs.
I’ve done just that myself on my 2017 21.5” iMac running the version of Safari that’s designated for Ventura 13.6.7. I suspect a UI freeze will be less likely on that machine because it has 32 GB of RAM, but for at least the first several minutes of observation with the KBZK website open to its home page, RAM consumption it NOT increasing rapidly (sitting in the range of 300-350 MB).
And now, a bit more than an hour later, that one site is now using a bit more than 500 MB of RAM according to Activity Monitor, but the rate of increase has been MUCH slower. Also, perhaps because the machine has so much more RAM, there’s no sign of any decrement in simple performance, such as windows updating, etc., but I’m not doing anything known to really exercise the processor.
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Jim Robertson
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On Nov 22, 2024, at 9:38?AM, Louise Stewart via groups.io <veggie236.art@...> wrote:
And how do I fix it?
Hi, Louise. Not sure whether I’ll have an answer, but some more information might help. For example, what kind of Mac (detailed information can be obtained either from knowing its basics and placing information about it from the third party “MacTracker” app, or from “Machine Profile” from your installed apps into another message to the group, along with information about what version of macOS is installed on your machine. However, the amounts of memory in use according to your screenshot are NOT really high unless it’s a relatively old machine.
I’m occasionally having a possibly similar problem on an almost new Mac laptop, In my case, it looks as though an individual website is consuming an enormous amount of memory when Safari is the active browser. You can get more information about that by using a utility installed by the operating system, Activity Monitor. However, my attempts to solve my own problem have led me to realize that Activity Monitor does not track memory dedicated to a particular website.
I’d also suggest you consider using a different Chromium-based browser. Google Chrome is widely regarded by people who know much more than I as weaponized by Google to acquire as much information about you as possible for its own monetary purposes. Depending on how old you computer is, you might look at other Chromium-based browsers that don’t have that scurrilous reputation.
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Jim Robertson
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Sequoia Time Machine issues.
Hi,
Several of my clients have had problems with Time Machine after the update. It goes approximately 85-95 % then fails with error messages?
I found this resolution, and it appears to resolve it:
Yes - the problem is very much related to Time Machine losing permissions to certain files when the machine sleeps. I've worked around this (until it's fixed) by making the following changes to power management:
sudo pmset -b hibernatemode 0 sudo pmset -b standby 0 sudo pmset -b disksleep 1
What this does is prevent the machine from fully hibernating. This will affect battery life a little if it's a laptop you regularly take about the place, but in general terms this is how MacOS -used- to operate.
If you aren’t experiencing the issue of Time Machine failing, feel free to ignore, but if you are, these Terminal commands have resolved it for three of my clients.
Hope it helps.
Paul
++++++++++++++++++++++++ Helping Los Angeles area computer users since 1988?
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Does anyone have any thoughts on the Ryoko Pro that is a portable wifi
I have Verizon as my cell program and am pleased with it. But have to pay for the monthly hotspots for areas where the internet is spotty
Thanks
Sue
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Re: 2023 14" M3 MacBook Pro with partially freezing UI
On Nov 21, 2024, at 5:06?PM, Jim Saklad via groups.io <jimdoc@...> wrote:
Download (if necessary) and run a different browser. I choose Brave.
Open the TV site in the other browser.
Let us know what happens.
Interestingly, Brave doesn’t display the Memory footprint of individual URLs. I tried several. The same is true of Chrome. Each of those browsers results in several iterations of [browsername].helper being displayed when “All Processes” is chosen from the “View” menu in Activity Monitor, but I’ve not been able to replicate what I see with Safari running.
Again, I have NO idea what that means.
Perhaps someone might be willing to see what happens in Safari if they open ?(actually <>) on their own Apple Silicon or Intel Macs.
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Jim Robertson
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On Nov 21, 2024, at 2:44 PM, Jeannie Girard via groups.io <photojeannie8@...> wrote:
I lost my upper tool bars. Try hitting: Command-Option-T __________________________________________________ Randy B. Singer Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions) Essential But Hard To Find Macintosh Software and Advice __________________________________________________
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Re: 2023 14" M3 MacBook Pro with partially freezing UI
Yep! Looks like you figured out which web site. Now switch Activity Monitor from RAM to CPU Activity and look for which processes are using those CPU cycles.
Easiest fix, don’t visit that web site, but I understand why you might not want to do that.
Maybe someone can tell you how to diagnose what that web site is doing. Dennis, your thoughts?
Just a WAG, wild a?? guess. I have never heard of this kind of problem, so is something criminal going on by someone that might have hacked the site?
Brent
On my iPhone Xr
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On Nov 21, 2024, at 15:53, jimrobertson via groups.io <jimrobertson@...> wrote:
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On Nov 21, 2024, at 15:12, Brent via groups.io <whodo678@...> wrote:
Maybe you should use less of their features or close their tab once in a while (Referring to a tab in Safari using well over 10 GB of RAM).
To test this, I closed ALL apps with a visible UI on my Mac except Finder, and leaving only two websites open in Safari before quitting from it before rebooting the computer.
After rebooting, I just left the computer running for 15-20 minutes without launching any apps other than Activity Monitor. RAM in use remained stable.
Then I launched Safari, and the two previous websites, each in its own window, reopened, and while the RAM usage by those two single-tab Safari windows creeps up a bit, the increments are small. Then, i open a third window to the home page of the TV station. It starts out using a bit over 500 MB of RAM, and within 5-6 minutes it’s consuming over 5 GIGABytes, while RAM usage by the two other windows (and the parent Safari process) has remained stable.
WHY this is happening, I have not a clue, but i cannot imagine it’s by design.
Jim Robertson
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Re: 2023 14" M3 MacBook Pro with partially freezing UI
On Nov 21, 2024, at 17:06, Jim Saklad via groups.io <jimdoc@...> wrote:
Try doing everything the same as this, but NOT opening the TV station site.
I HAVE done that, but not opening the offending site using a different browser, which i will try when i get home. I also have an older macOS on a 7 yo iMac, and that might be interesting as well.
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Jim Saklad
Brent
Paul