Notice that even in their paid versions, some features are only available on MS Windows. ?
Do you use VBA macros?
No, I don¡¯t use Macros..., just very basic spreadsheet. JB -- Sent from My iPad Pro
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Yes, I just checked and Libre Office 6.1.3.2 is running perfectly under Catalina 10.15.1. I had to change a few paths since the directory structure of macOS has changed from previous versions, but it works fine. On Nov 4, 2019, at 8:42 PM, Jim Saklad via Groups.Io <jimdoc@...> wrote:
On Nov 4, 2019, Bob Beckham wrote:
I don¡¯t know if it has been re-compiled as a 64-bit suite or not. Version 6.0.6.2 is 64-bit
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Jim, Thanks for the advice. ?I¡¯ve noticed too that my mail doesn¡¯t sort on my iPhone when my Mac isn¡¯t on, and I hated that!!! I quite honestly did not know I could set up rules at . ?I just set up my first rule there and it¡¯s quite simple. ?I¡¯ll be spending awhile getting the rest set up, but am really excited that they will sort on my phone too. ?When I¡¯m finished I will try to delete the rules on my Mac - but that¡¯s where the problem has been, I haven¡¯t been able to delete or alter them in any way. ?Maybe the change will fix that little problem. ?I¡¯ll hope for the best. Thanks again for the advice, I sure do appreciate it!
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On Nov 4, 2019, at 7:36 PM, Jim Saklad via Groups.Io < jimdoc@...> wrote:
On Nov 4, 2019, Janet Brunner wrote: I set up all my Rules within the Mail app, under preferences/rules. ?How do I tell if they¡¯re in the cloud?
I see you¡¯re an ?? @me.com? ?? So am I.
I¡¯ve had a detailed set of rules in Apple Mail on my Mac for many years. Using IMAP on my Mac, iPhone, and iPad, my mail and mailboxes neatly synchronize among all three ¨C IF the Mac is booted up.
When all the sorting was done on the Mac, mail didn¡¯t get sorted if I was reading it remotely on my iPad, but the Mac was turned off at home.
So I took a different approach ¨C I logged into iCloud, opened Mail on that website, and set up all the sorting filters there, since that was the first place my incoming mail went, before even going to my Mac, iPad, or iPhone.
Of course, I also DISabled those rules on my Mac.
This is all by way of saying that, in MY experience, rules do NOT synch. Having them on the mail server is the most efficient method.
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On Nov 4, 2019, Bob Beckham wrote: I don¡¯t know if it has been re-compiled as a 64-bit suite or not.
Version 6.0.6.2 is 64-bit
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On Nov 4, 2019, Janet Brunner wrote: I set up all my Rules within the Mail app, under preferences/rules. ?How do I tell if they¡¯re in the cloud?
I see you¡¯re an ?? @me.com? ?? So am I.
I¡¯ve had a detailed set of rules in Apple Mail on my Mac for many years. Using IMAP on my Mac, iPhone, and iPad, my mail and mailboxes neatly synchronize among all three ¨C IF the Mac is booted up.
When all the sorting was done on the Mac, mail didn¡¯t get sorted if I was reading it remotely on my iPad, but the Mac was turned off at home.
So I took a different approach ¨C I logged into iCloud, opened Mail on that website, and set up all the sorting filters there, since that was the first place my incoming mail went, before even going to my Mac, iPad, or iPhone.
Of course, I also DISabled those rules on my Mac.
This is all by way of saying that, in MY experience, rules do NOT synch. Having them on the mail server is the most efficient method.
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I don¡¯t know if it has been re-compiled as a 64-bit suite or not. Just go to libreoffice.org or openoffice.org and snoop around. I had forced myself to learn to use iWork apps and found that they filled my meager needs nicely. I haven¡¯t used the *Office suites in years. If they have been re-compiled, then give Libre a try. On Nov 4, 2019, at 7:29 PM, Bob Beckham via Groups.Io <rbeckhm@...> wrote:
The FREE application suite called ¡®Libre Office¡¯ works rather well. It has all the normal productivity apps (word processor, spreadsheet, database, presentation, etc). Bob ¡¯The Beckster¡¯ Beckham FCC RadioTelephone Licence P1-6S-2422 w/Radar endorsement. Apple iMac 27¡± Late 2012 - macOS 10.15.1 - RAM 16 Gig 2019 Harley-Davidson FLHTK Ultra Limited 1993 Allen MDS Theater 2
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The FREE application suite called ¡®Libre Office¡¯ works rather well. It has all the normal productivity apps (word processor, spreadsheet, database, presentation, etc). It IMports and EXports to the related MS apps. And of course, the MS apps IMport and EXport to Libre Office and its¡¯ look alikes and work alikes (Open Office and Neo Office). Libre Office is the preferred suite the last several years and has versions for Mac, Linux/UNIX, Solaris, and Winderz. I actually had Open Office on my old PC running IBM OS/2 v.r 4.0 years back. On Nov 4, 2019, at 2:11 PM, Beadnik <beadnik2@...> wrote:
I use excel and need to share the worksheets with others on a monthly basis. How do the free alternatives work with those using MS Excel? Right now I am using MS Office ¡®11 for Mac. Bob ¡¯The Beckster¡¯ Beckham FCC RadioTelephone Licence P1-6S-2422 w/Radar endorsement. Apple iMac 27¡± Late 2012 - macOS 10.15.1 - RAM 16 Gig 2019 Harley-Davidson FLHTK Ultra Limited 1993 Allen MDS Theater 2
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On Sun, Nov 3, 2019 at 11:53 PM, Doug Yelmen wrote:
Just the other day, my iMac told me I "didn¡¯t have the necessary
permission¡± to make changes with my HDD,
and several other inconveniences.
Since I don't know what changes and with what apps you wanted to make with your HD I give you the general suggestion to put relevant apps into System Preferences > Security & Privacy > Privacy > Full Disk Access by clicking on the + sign. Another thing I'd try is to Get Info on a higher level folder than you work with and grant permission for yourself for all the underlying, enclosed, folders. Regards, Damienn
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>Office 2011 isn't 64-bit, and never will be. So it can't run under Catalina.
I use excel and need to share the worksheets with others on a monthly basis. How do the free alternatives work with those using MS Excel? Right now I am using MS Office ¡®11 for Mac.? JB
It will greatly depend upon which features you use. ?Randy provided a link to SoftMaker¡¯s comparison page. ? Notice that even in their paid versions, some features are only available on MS Windows. ?
Do you use VBA macros? -- Bev in TX
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Brent, I set up all my Rules within the Mail app, under preferences/rules. ?How do I tell if they¡¯re in the cloud? ? I¡¯m using an iMac with the latest Catalina updates (see below), and an iPhone 7+ that¡¯s current with the latest updates.
As I mentioned to Paul, Apple is working on it and hopefully will find a cure soon, as this is driving me up the wall.
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On Nov 4, 2019, at 3:10 PM, Brent via Groups.Io < whodo678@...> wrote:
Janet, I was going to ask where you had your rules, cut Paul's response made the most sense. I assume you have your Rules in the Cloud and not on a Device. I also assume that all of your Devices are compatible, and not are unsupported.?
I have an unsupported Device because I am using an OLD OS.
Brent
On Nov 4, 2019, at 7:49 AM, Paul wrote: Hi Janet
Try (on all your devices) turning off the iCloud mail in the appropriate settings for iCloud.?
I suspect it¡¯s the iCloud attempting to synch the rules which is causing the issues.? . Some imagination required.? ?Good morning all, My mail rules are misbehaving terribly! ? I keep all my mail in folders, each one with a ¡°rule¡± to direct all email to that folder. For instance: ?macsupportcentral has it¡¯s own folder, and a rule set up so that if [macsupportcentral] is in the subject line, the mail would instantly go to that folder.
So this morning I got a pop up warning that the macsupportcentral folder didn¡¯t exist, and it couldn¡¯t move the mail to a non-existant folder. ?The pop-up persisted and would not let me do anything other than force quit mail.
I ended up going to mail on my iPhone and deleting the messages from macsupportcentral, and then opening mail on my Mac.
I went into ¡°rules¡± to see what was wrong, and the folder for macsupportcentral was unchecked. ?I checked it - the same thing happened the next time mail came in.
I have about 30 mail rules, and the rest of them work fine, it¡¯s just the mail coming from the 3??I belong to that are causing the problem, so I deleted those rules, quit mail, reopened mail and the same thing happened.
Again, deleted the mail on my phone so I could get into Mail on my Mac. Opened Rules and the rules that I delete were back, and were unchecked again. I deleted the rules, closed Mail and re-opened it - same thing - over and over again.
I got mad at this point and decided to delete ALL of my mail rules, thinking there was a glitch somewhere. ?One by one I removed them. Closed Mail, re-opened Mail and checked - all the rules were there again, but they were all unchecked.
I can¡¯t delete them!!!
Please, someone help me get his straightened out. ?Is there a place on my Mac that stores the mail rules outside of Mail, where perhaps I can permanently delete the rules and start over from scratch?
Any help would be greatly appreciated! Janet
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I did as you suggested Paul, and then restarted both my Mac and my?iPhone before turning them both on again.Didn¡¯t make any difference. Was I suppose to do something?else?while they were turned off?I called Apple this morning. ?They screen shared and recorded what was?going on. ?Basically my Mail Rules are not working. ?I can't?add?any rules without them being deleted when I close Mail and re-open it. I?can't make changes to any of the rules, they revert back?to?original when I close Mail and re-open it I can't delete?any of the rules because they come right back when I close Mail and?re-open it.Apple is passing this on to the higher ups?to figure?out and will get back to me on Wednesday.Janet
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On Nov 4, 2019, at 9:49 AM, Paul < paul@...> wrote:
Hi Janet
Try (on all your devices) turning off the iCloud mail in the appropriate settings for iCloud.?
I suspect it¡¯s the iCloud attempting to synch the rules which is causing the issues.? . Some imagination required.? ? Good morning all, My mail rules are misbehaving terribly! ? I keep all my mail in folders, each one with a ¡°rule¡± to direct all email to that folder. For instance: ?macsupportcentral has it¡¯s own folder, and a rule set up so that if [macsupportcentral] is in the subject line, the mail would instantly go to that folder.
So this morning I got a pop up warning that the macsupportcentral folder didn¡¯t exist, and it couldn¡¯t move the mail to a non-existant folder. ?The pop-up persisted and would not let me do anything other than force quit mail.
I ended up going to mail on my iPhone and deleting the messages from macsupportcentral, and then opening mail on my Mac.
I went into ¡°rules¡± to see what was wrong, and the folder for macsupportcentral was unchecked. ?I checked it - the same thing happened the next time mail came in.
I have about 30 mail rules, and the rest of them work fine, it¡¯s just the mail coming from the 3 ?I belong to that are causing the problem, so I deleted those rules, quit mail, reopened mail and the same thing happened.
Again, deleted the mail on my phone so I could get into Mail on my Mac. Opened Rules and the rules that I delete were back, and were unchecked again. I deleted the rules, closed Mail and re-opened it - same thing - over and over again.
I got mad at this point and decided to delete ALL of my mail rules, thinking there was a glitch somewhere. ?One by one I removed them. Closed Mail, re-opened Mail and checked - all the rules were there again, but they were all unchecked.
I can¡¯t delete them!!!
Please, someone help me get his straightened out. ?Is there a place on my Mac that stores the mail rules outside of Mail, where perhaps I can permanently delete the rules and start over from scratch?
Any help would be greatly appreciated! Janet
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And I thought my reply was tough.
On Nov 4, 2019, at 10:14 AM, Joe Masters wrote:
just a test to see if my image appears...i'm guessing not.
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Oh! Gawd! It is the Hulk, wearing a yellow Charlie Brown shirt! I'd share my image, but I have already done that once here and almost broke it.
It came thru on your post, but my reply changes it to an image file name.?
Brent
On Nov 4, 2019, at 10:02 AM, timmeidroth wrote: just a test to see if my image appears...i'm guessing not.
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Janet, I was going to ask where you had your rules, cut Paul's response made the most sense. I assume you have your Rules in the Cloud and not on a Device. I also assume that all of your Devices are compatible, and not are unsupported.?
I have an unsupported Device because I am using an OLD OS.
On Nov 4, 2019, at 7:49 AM, Paul wrote: Hi Janet
Try (on all your devices) turning off the iCloud mail in the appropriate settings for iCloud.?
I suspect it¡¯s the iCloud attempting to synch the rules which is causing the issues.? . Some imagination required.? ? Good morning all, My mail rules are misbehaving terribly! ? I keep all my mail in folders, each one with a ¡°rule¡± to direct all email to that folder. For instance: ?macsupportcentral has it¡¯s own folder, and a rule set up so that if [macsupportcentral] is in the subject line, the mail would instantly go to that folder.
So this morning I got a pop up warning that the macsupportcentral folder didn¡¯t exist, and it couldn¡¯t move the mail to a non-existant folder. ?The pop-up persisted and would not let me do anything other than force quit mail.
I ended up going to mail on my iPhone and deleting the messages from macsupportcentral, and then opening mail on my Mac.
I went into ¡°rules¡± to see what was wrong, and the folder for macsupportcentral was unchecked. ?I checked it - the same thing happened the next time mail came in.
I have about 30 mail rules, and the rest of them work fine, it¡¯s just the mail coming from the 3 ?I belong to that are causing the problem, so I deleted those rules, quit mail, reopened mail and the same thing happened.
Again, deleted the mail on my phone so I could get into Mail on my Mac. Opened Rules and the rules that I delete were back, and were unchecked again. I deleted the rules, closed Mail and re-opened it - same thing - over and over again.
I got mad at this point and decided to delete ALL of my mail rules, thinking there was a glitch somewhere. ?One by one I removed them. Closed Mail, re-opened Mail and checked - all the rules were there again, but they were all unchecked.
I can¡¯t delete them!!!
Please, someone help me get his straightened out. ?Is there a place on my Mac that stores the mail rules outside of Mail, where perhaps I can permanently delete the rules and start over from scratch?
Any help would be greatly appreciated! Janet
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On Nov 4, 2019, at 08:58, Otto Nikolaus via Groups.Io <otto.nikolaus@...> wrote:
You don't have a working Mac? I thought you had a Mac notebook. I have TWO working Macs, but both need some TLC. The iMac needs more RAM, and since installing that requires taking off the screen first, I¡¯m going to convert from my Fusion drive to a 1 TB very fast SSD PCI bus boot drive while inside So we can do it in three payments of six at three payments of 800 or four payments of 600 she said she preferred three payments away yeah we are going to that well if you take the total time she¡¯s there just for me it amounts to $600 a week Wikipedia part entire $2400 upfront we could pay $600 at the beginning of each week but she said she would prefer to have 800 at beginning of the first week 800 at the beginning of the third week at 800 when she¡¯s done so that¡¯s the way. The MacBook Pro has been my ¡±main man,¡± but misbehaved recently, rebooting every minute or two, although that stopped after I ran Disk Utility from the recovery partition. It¡¯s keyboard also annoys me, but that¡¯s not yet been a critical problem.
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Why not download free office 2018 and compare it?
The price is right...
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>Office 2011 isn't 64-bit, and never will be. So it can't run under Catalina.
I use excel and need to share the worksheets with others on a monthly basis. How do the free alternatives work with those using MS Excel? Right now I am using MS Office ¡®11 for Mac.? JB -- Sent from My iPad Pro
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No one, yet, has said there was any added feature to being able to see the digest.?
From the image Tim posted, there is a email button, which I assume allows you to send an email to the other person, and not the group. Other than that, no one has said that it would do anything else, other than see what ever image the person had added.?
So is the whole thread a tempest in a tea cup? To go along with seeing a persons image in the signature, or not? Oh how Apple and most of their users like iCandy. Me, as a long time user and list member, prefer the ease of use, over iCandy.
Brent
On Nov 3, 2019, at 4:42 PM, Otto Nikolaus via Groups.Io wrote: Yes, it's a mutual "You can see mine if I can see yours" kind of thing.?Moderators can *not* override that.?Made sense?once I realised how it works.
Otto
So apparently the ability to see others in the directory, is a two way street. Funny, but I'm ok with it. Especially the only thing I see it does is allow you to send an email to an individual, and not the group. I can do that by getting their email from a posting.
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Hi Mac Folks! I¡¯ve been away from the house today and that allowed the iMac to go to sleep on its¡¯ own. Just now, as I¡¯ve returned, I simply hit the spacebar and then logged in as usual. iWork apps are working correctly. Must have just been a fluke. Computer is happy, I¡¯m happy. 8-D On Nov 4, 2019, at 9:45 AM, Bob Beckham via Groups.Io <rbeckhm@...> wrote:
Yes, that is a great suggestion. However, in the past, I have just let the iMac go to sleep and then it woke up at the first touch of the keyboard without any issues. This is the first time doing this in Catalina. Like you said, it could be a bug in the new Catalina OS, or possibly a fluke. Letting it sleep, then awaking and see if the iWork apps can find their data or not.
Thanks for the idea. I¡¯ll let everyone know the results. Bob ¡¯The Beckster¡¯ Beckham FCC RadioTelephone Licence P1-6S-2422 w/Radar endorsement. Apple iMac 27¡± Late 2012 - macOS 10.15.1 - RAM 16 Gig 2016 Harley-Davidson FLHTKL 1993 Allen MDS Theater 2
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>Office 2011 isn't 64-bit, and never will be. So it can't run under Catalina.
I use excel and need to share the worksheets with others on a monthly basis. How do the free alternatives work with those using MS Excel? Right now I am using MS Office ¡®11 for Mac.? JB -- Sent from My iPad Pro
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