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Networking a selection of Hercules systems running VM/370rel6

Gregg Levine All Messages By This Member #5902 Hello! Let us presuppose I have gotten a Hercules setup running the currently available release of the community edition of VM/370rle6. Not of course the two disk setup I normally run. What would be involved in having it reach out and connect to other similar systems, and even exchange messages, in the same way we send email to each other, and also files. And to do so on a routine basis. This is an interesting concept, but it will be a difficult one to properly grok. Now why is an unhappy Yeti doing outside a McDonalds in a corner of a town that's a suburb of Pittsburgh. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8@... "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
ScottC All Messages By This Member #5903 What about Moshix's HNET ? On Wednesday, July 31, 2024 at 04:03:27 PM PDT, Gregg Levine <gregg.drwho8@...> wrote: Hello! Let us presuppose I have gotten a Hercules setup running the currently available release of the community edition of VM/370rle6. Not of course the two disk setup I normally run. What would be involved in having it reach out and connect to other similar systems, and even exchange messages, in the same way we send email to each other, and also files. And to do so on a routine basis. This is an interesting concept, but it will be a difficult one to properly grok. Now why is an unhappy Yeti doing outside a McDonalds in a corner of a town that's a suburb of Pittsburgh. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8@... "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
ScottC All Messages By This Member #5904 Oops, that's MVS 3.8.? Sorry. On Wednesday, July 31, 2024 at 04:29:22 PM PDT, ScottC via groups.io <sccosel@...> wrote: What about Moshix's HNET ? On Wednesday, July 31, 2024 at 04:03:27 PM PDT, Gregg Levine <gregg.drwho8@...> wrote: Hello! Let us presuppose I have gotten a Hercules setup running the currently available release of the community edition of VM/370rle6. Not of course the two disk setup I normally run. What would be involved in having it reach out and connect to other similar systems, and even exchange messages, in the same way we send email to each other, and also files. And to do so on a routine basis. This is an interesting concept, but it will be a difficult one to properly grok. Now why is an unhappy Yeti doing outside a McDonalds in a corner of a town that's a suburb of Pittsburgh. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8@... "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
Gregg Levine All Messages By This Member #5905 Hello! Now remember I mentioned VM/370rel6 here, because that is the list focus. As is I believe it was possible for a system running a full featured system running it to do so. But I am not sure where it is located in the document libraries preserved elsewere, ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8@... "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." On Wed, Jul 31, 2024 at 7:30?PM ScottC via groups.io <sccosel@...> wrote: Oops, that's MVS 3.8. Sorry. On Wednesday, July 31, 2024 at 04:29:22 PM PDT, ScottC via groups.io <sccosel@...> wrote: What about Moshix's HNET ? On Wednesday, July 31, 2024 at 04:03:27 PM PDT, Gregg Levine <gregg.drwho8@...> wrote: Hello! Let us presuppose I have gotten a Hercules setup running the currently available release of the community edition of VM/370rle6. Not of course the two disk setup I normally run. What would be involved in having it reach out and connect to other similar systems, and even exchange messages, in the same way we send email to each other, and also files. And to do so on a routine basis. This is an interesting concept, but it will be a difficult one to properly grok. Now why is an unhappy Yeti doing outside a McDonalds in a corner of a town that's a suburb of Pittsburgh. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8@... "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." A sign floating in space near the Yavin system says, "The Death star was there, when it exploded." and it includes the names of all who saw it do so.
Zane Healy All Messages By This Member #5906 I haven’t figured out how, but I have seen that there are VM/370 systems on HNET. Zane toggle quoted message Show quoted text On Jul 31, 2024, at 4:41?PM, Gregg Levine <gregg.drwho8@...> wrote: ?Hello! Now remember I mentioned VM/370rel6 here, because that is the list focus. As is I believe it was possible for a system running a full featured system running it to do so. But I am not sure where it is located in the document libraries preserved elsewere, ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8@... "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." On Wed, Jul 31, 2024 at 7:30?PM ScottC via groups.io <sccosel@...> wrote: Oops, that's MVS 3.8. Sorry. On Wednesday, July 31, 2024 at 04:29:22 PM PDT, ScottC via groups.io <sccosel@...> wrote: What about Moshix's HNET ? On Wednesday, July 31, 2024 at 04:03:27 PM PDT, Gregg Levine <gregg.drwho8@...> wrote: Hello! Let us presuppose I have gotten a Hercules setup running the currently available release of the community edition of VM/370rle6. Not of course the two disk setup I normally run. What would be involved in having it reach out and connect to other similar systems, and even exchange messages, in the same way we send email to each other, and also files. And to do so on a routine basis. This is an interesting concept, but it will be a difficult one to properly grok. Now why is an unhappy Yeti doing outside a McDonalds in a corner of a town that's a suburb of Pittsburgh. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8@... "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." A sign floating in space near the Yavin system says, "The Death star was there, when it exploded." and it includes the names of all who saw it do so.
René Ferland All Messages By This Member #5907 On Wed, Jul 31, 2024 at 04:03 PM, Gregg Levine wrote: What would be involved in having it reach out and connect to other similar systems, and even exchange messages, in the same way we send email to each other, and also files. I would say, you need a version of RSCS that supports Network Job Entry (NJE). It is surely possible to update the current version of RSCS in VM/370 CE for that, but I am not the one who can do it. :-) ? Cheers, ? Rene FERLAND, Montreal ?
Bertram Moshier All Messages By This Member #5908 Hello, Is it possible for the SDI CTCI product to connect two CTCA devices defined in Hercules across the Internet? I? think that is the purpose of the SDI CTCI product. If that is the case, getting multiple operating systems running under Hercules to communicate is possible in full or half duplex. Sincerely yours,? Bertram Moshier? WB8ERT? toggle quoted message Show quoted text On Wed, Jul 31, 2024, 19:03 Zane Healy via <healyzh=[email protected]> wrote: I haven’t figured out how, but I have seen that there are VM/370 systems on HNET. Zane > On Jul 31, 2024, at 4:41?PM, Gregg Levine <gregg.drwho8@...> wrote: > > ?Hello! > Now remember I mentioned VM/370rel6 here, because that is the list > focus. As is I believe it was possible for a system running a full > featured system running it to do so. But I am not sure where it is > located in the document libraries preserved elsewere, > ----- > Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8@... > "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." > >> On Wed, Jul 31, 2024 at 7:30?PM ScottC via >> <sccosel=[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Oops, that's MVS 3.8.? Sorry. >> >> On Wednesday, July 31, 2024 at 04:29:22 PM PDT, ScottC via <sccosel=[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> What about Moshix's HNET ? >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, July 31, 2024 at 04:03:27 PM PDT, Gregg Levine <gregg.drwho8@...> wrote: >> >> >> Hello! >> Let us presuppose I have gotten a Hercules setup running the currently >> available release of the community edition of VM/370rle6. Not of >> course the two disk setup I normally run. What would be involved in >> having it reach out and connect to other similar systems, and even >> exchange messages, in the same way we send email to each other, and >> also files. And to do so on a routine basis. This is an interesting >> concept, but it will be a difficult one to properly grok. >> >> Now why is an unhappy Yeti doing outside a McDonalds in a corner of a >> town that's a suburb of Pittsburgh. >> ----- >> Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8@... >> "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." >> >> > > A sign floating in space near the Yavin system says, "The Death star > was there, when it exploded." and it includes the names of all who saw > it do so. > > > > >
Dave Wade All Messages By This Member #5909 开云体育 If understand if you want the RSCS NJE mods you have to request them individually and promise not to distribute them. There is an e-mail contact here :- ? ? Dave G4UGM ? ? ? toggle quoted message Show quoted text From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of René Ferland via groups.io Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2024 1:49 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [h390-vm] Networking a selection of Hercules systems running VM/370rel6 ? On Wed, Jul 31, 2024 at 04:03 PM, Gregg Levine wrote: What would be involved in having it reach out and connect to other similar systems, and even exchange messages, in the same way we send email to each other, and also files. I would say, you need a version of RSCS that supports Network Job Entry (NJE). It is surely possible to update the current version of RSCS in VM/370 CE for that, but I am not the one who can do it. :-) ? Cheers, ? Rene FERLAND, Montreal ?
Bertram Moshier All Messages By This Member #5910 Hello, I thought I read something about a program that allows you to connect to another VM system from your CMS account or by dialing into the program running in a virtual machine. What is it that I'm remembering? Thank you, Bertram Moshier toggle quoted message Show quoted text On Thu, Aug 1, 2024, 03:32 Dave Wade via <dave.g4ugm=[email protected]> wrote: If understand if you want the RSCS NJE mods you have to request them individually and promise not to distribute them. There is an e-mail contact here :- ? ? Dave G4UGM ? ? ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of René Ferland via Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2024 1:49 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [h390-vm] Networking a selection of Hercules systems running VM/370rel6 ? On Wed, Jul 31, 2024 at 04:03 PM, Gregg Levine wrote: What would be involved in having it reach out and connect to other similar systems, and even exchange messages, in the same way we send email to each other, and also files. I would say, you need a version of RSCS that supports Network Job Entry (NJE). It is surely possible to update the current version of RSCS in VM/370 CE for that, but I am not the one who can do it. :-) ? Cheers, ? Rene FERLAND, Montreal ?
Dave Wade All Messages By This Member #5911 开云体育 Bertram, Yes the is a product, VM Passthrough, which allows you to connect you screen to multiple systems using bi-sync or SDLC links but it’s a program product so not available to us. Dave ? ? toggle quoted message Show quoted text From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Bertram Moshier via groups.io Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2024 10:08 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [h390-vm] Networking a selection of Hercules systems running VM/370rel6 ? Hello, ? I thought I read something about a program that allows you to connect to another VM system from your CMS account or by dialing into the program running in a virtual machine. ? What is it that I'm remembering? ? ? Thank you, ? Bertram Moshier ? On Thu, Aug 1, 2024, 03:32 Dave Wade via <dave.g4ugm=[email protected]> wrote: If understand if you want the RSCS NJE mods you have to request them individually and promise not to distribute them. There is an e-mail contact here :- ? ? Dave G4UGM ? ? ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of René Ferland via Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2024 1:49 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [h390-vm] Networking a selection of Hercules systems running VM/370rel6 ? On Wed, Jul 31, 2024 at 04:03 PM, Gregg Levine wrote: What would be involved in having it reach out and connect to other similar systems, and even exchange messages, in the same way we send email to each other, and also files. I would say, you need a version of RSCS that supports Network Job Entry (NJE). It is surely possible to update the current version of RSCS in VM/370 CE for that, but I am not the one who can do it. :-) ? Cheers, ? Rene FERLAND, Montreal ?
Bob Polmanter All Messages By This Member #5912 There is a software package that is already part of VM/CE called XNET.? This software allows two or more VM/370 systems to connect via a CTC device (using Hercules CTCE, not CTCI), and you can then remotely logon to and use the VM system(s) on the other end of the CTCs, and vice versa.? Communication can even pass through multiple VM systems to your target system if they are all connected via CTC.? This software is something akin to PVM (Passthrough VM, an IBM product from the period). ? But to send files or messages between VM systems, you'll need the RSCS NJE modifications. ? Regards, Bob
Gregg Levine All Messages By This Member #5913 Hello! I agree with the second, not so sure about the first. And I looked at the website that Dave M, supplied earlier, (or was it one of his cats who typed it? Or perhaps it was one of his other staff, and their cats?) However at the moment setting things up along with that site is currently a little beyond me. But setting up that example you cited, that looks promising. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8@... "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." toggle quoted message Show quoted text On Thu, Aug 1, 2024 at 3:41?PM Bob Polmanter via groups.io <wably@...> wrote: -- > There is a software package that is already part of VM/CE called XNET. This software allows two or more VM/370 systems to connect via a CTC device (using Hercules CTCE, not CTCI), and you can then remotely logon to and use the VM system(s) on the other end of the CTCs, and vice versa. Communication can even pass through multiple VM systems to your target system if they are all connected via CTC. This software is something akin to PVM (Passthrough VM, an IBM product from the period). But to send files or messages between VM systems, you'll need the RSCS NJE modifications. Regards, Bob On the planet Hoth sits a long since abandoned base, and in front of it, a sign in all of languages spoken in the Newer Republic, "The fight to stop the First Empire took a fast upswing here.", and it is held up by a snow covered AT-AT. -- From travels with the Rebel Alliance a Timelord's unusual holiday.
Dave Wade All Messages By This Member #5914 开云体育 Bob, Is it included or do you have to load it. I couldn’t find an XNET ID on my system.. Dave ? toggle quoted message Show quoted text From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Bob Polmanter via groups.io Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2024 8:42 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [h390-vm] Networking a selection of Hercules systems running VM/370rel6 ? There is a software package that is already part of VM/CE called XNET.? This software allows two or more VM/370 systems to connect via a CTC device (using Hercules CTCE, not CTCI), and you can then remotely logon to and use the VM system(s) on the other end of the CTCs, and vice versa.? Communication can even pass through multiple VM systems to your target system if they are all connected via CTC.? This software is something akin to PVM (Passthrough VM, an IBM product from the period). ? But to send files or messages between VM systems, you'll need the RSCS NJE modifications. ? Regards, Bob
Gregg Levine All Messages By This Member #5915 Hello! At this point in time it is not relevant. Now what's that statue doing in your garden now? Don't blink! Yes I know I hinted that the original was written by Dave M, it was not. It was posted to cause a similar response. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8@... "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." On Fri, Aug 2, 2024 at 4:42?AM Dave Wade via groups.io <dave.g4ugm@...> wrote: Bob, Is it included or do you have to load it. I couldn’t find an XNET ID on my system.. Dave From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Bob Polmanter via groups.io Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2024 8:42 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [h390-vm] Networking a selection of Hercules systems running VM/370rel6 There is a software package that is already part of VM/CE called XNET. This software allows two or more VM/370 systems to connect via a CTC device (using Hercules CTCE, not CTCI), and you can then remotely logon to and use the VM system(s) on the other end of the CTCs, and vice versa. Communication can even pass through multiple VM systems to your target system if they are all connected via CTC. This software is something akin to PVM (Passthrough VM, an IBM product from the period). But to send files or messages between VM systems, you'll need the RSCS NJE modifications. Regards, Bob Signs in Mos Eisley Spaceport, "Obi-Wan was here!"
Bob Polmanter All Messages By This Member #5916 Hi Dave, ? In my copy of VM/CE V1.R1.2, dated July 19, 2022, there is an XNET userid in the directory.? The XNET materials are on the 191 and 193 disks. The documentation for XNET is in the distribution VM370CE.V1R1.2.zip file, in the root directory structure. ? The code on the XNET userid is at level 1.4.0, an includes a modification that Bob Bolch made to it to support model 5 terminals.? But the documentation in the zip file is at level 1.2.0.? I do have the 1.4.0 documentation though, if you want it.? The only difference between 1.2.0 and 1.4.0 is the model 5 change plus some stability improvements for the CTC connection; both are internal changes.? The documentation therefore is essentially the same. ? Regards, Bob
ScottC All Messages By This Member #5917 Hi Bob, For historical purposes, would it be possible to upload the latest documentation to the files area? Scott
Gregg Levine All Messages By This Member #5918 Hello! I'm not Dave, he had a problem with a statue. So can you please post your documentation to the files-area? And can you please include a note regarding what was stated here? ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8@... "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." On Fri, Aug 2, 2024 at 4:06?PM Bob Polmanter via groups.io <wably@...> wrote: Hi Dave, In my copy of VM/CE V1.R1.2, dated July 19, 2022, there is an XNET userid in the directory. The XNET materials are on the 191 and 193 disks. The documentation for XNET is in the distribution VM370CE.V1R1.2.zip file, in the root directory structure. The code on the XNET userid is at level 1.4.0, an includes a modification that Bob Bolch made to it to support model 5 terminals. But the documentation in the zip file is at level 1.2.0. I do have the 1.4.0 documentation though, if you want it. The only difference between 1.2.0 and 1.4.0 is the model 5 change plus some stability improvements for the CTC connection; both are internal changes. The documentation therefore is essentially the same. Regards, Bob Sign on door of the Cantina in Mos Eisley, "No 'droids need ask for drinks! We do not serve them!"
Bob Polmanter All Messages By This Member #5919 Dave, ? When you get a chance, could you delete the old XNETV120.ZIP file in files section (it is under your name from when you copied everything over from Yahoo Groups), and I will upload the? XNET 1.4.0 package and documentation to the files section. ? Regards, Bob
Dave Wade All Messages By This Member #5920 开云体育 Done ? toggle quoted message Show quoted text From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Bob Polmanter via groups.io Sent: Friday, August 2, 2024 11:28 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [h390-vm] Networking a selection of Hercules systems running VM/370rel6 ? Dave, ? When you get a chance, could you delete the old XNETV120.ZIP file in files section (it is under your name from when you copied everything over from Yahoo Groups), and I will upload the? XNET 1.4.0 package and documentation to the files section. ? Regards, Bob
Mark A. Stevens All Messages By This Member #5935 On Fri, Aug 2, 2024 at 03:06 PM, Bob Polmanter wrote: The code on the XNET userid is at level 1.4.0, an includes a modification that Bob Bolch made to it to support model 5 terminals.? But the documentation in the zip file is at level 1.2.0.? I do have the 1.4.0 documentation though, if you want it.? The only difference between 1.2.0 and 1.4.0 is the model 5 change plus some stability improvements for the CTC connection; both are internal changes.? The documentation therefore is essentially the same. I know we don't have a place for CE 1.1.3, yet, but when the files are posted here, I will add them to my fork, so we can get them into the next CE release. ? ?... Mark S.

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