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Re: Witnesses - a general query.
Hi Trish,
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I've heard of young witnesses on marriage certificates, so it wouldn't surprise me if they witnessed baptisms too.? I would imagine if they were working (which many were), they would be considered competent witnesses.? I would guess age 14 might have been the cut-off point below which they were considered 'children'. This is all supposition, so perhaps someone else can come up with some hard facts for you. Lesley On 19/09/2023 00:13, Trish Michael via groups.io wrote:
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Witnesses - a general query.
Good morning all. Hope you are all well?
I've often wondered if witness on various records back in the mid 1820's (ie Marriages) would be required to be 21 and over. I am struggling to find a baptism for one of my people and if I can narrow his date of birth down a bit it might help. So far census records haven't helped. ttfn Trish ex Hull lass on central coast of NSW. |
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Re: 1841 census
Thank you Nivard Karen On Mon, Sep 18, 2023 at 1:32?AM Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@...> wrote:
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WELLS
Emma WELLS was born 22 Feb 1867, Toxteth, Lancashire (daughter of Mark and Sarah Ann WELLS). ? She is with the family on 1871 census Hunslet, Yorkshire aged 4, born Liverpool and 1881 census Hunslet aged 14, born Liverpool. Then she disappeared. I had another look for her and found an Emma WELLS on 1891 census 11 Smith’s Yard, Gateshead aged 25, born Leeds, housekeeper for John CAMPBELL. With her is her two children John,2 and Margaret, 1m. ? With the Leeds connection I thought I would follow her and see where it led. John WELLS was born 1888 in Leeds son of Emma WELLS a tailoress and Margaret WELLS was born 1891, 11 Smith’s Yard, Gateshead, daughter of Emma WELLS. ? Emma is on 1901 census Newcastle-upon-Tyne, Northumberland. Head of the house is John Campbell WELLS, wife Emma C WELLS, 33 born Leeds, ?son John C WELLS, 12 born Leeds, daughter Margaret C WELLS, 10, born Newcastle and son Thomas C WELLS, 4, born Newcastle, I found a Lily Campbell WELLS born 1893 Gateshead daughter of Emma WELLS. Lily died 1894 and another Lily Campbell WELLS was born in 1895. This time her father is John Campbell WELLS and Emma WELLS formerly WILLIAMS. ? At this point I looked for an Emma WILLIAMS – WELLS marriage or John CAMPBELL and Emma WILLIAMS/WELLS marriage and haven’t found one. ? On to 1911 census Newcastle. John Campbell WELLS is head and Emma C WELLS his wife, 46, born Leeds. They have been married 25 years, 10 children born alive, 7 still living. John C Wells, son, u/m, 22, general labourer, worker, Leeds, Yorkshire Margaret C Wells, dau, 20, born Gateshead, Durham Thomas C Wells, son, 14, born Newcastle, Northumberland Walter C Wells, son, 9, born Newcastle, Northumberland Mark C Wells, son, 7, born Newcastle, Northumberland Archibald C Wells, 4, born Newcastle, Northumberland Phillip C Wells, son, 2, born Newcastle-upon-Tyne, Northumberland ? ·??????? No marriage record found ·??????? Emma is WELLS in 1888 and 1901 (children’s birth record) ·??????? Why is MMN WILLIAMS? ·??????? Why are they all now Campbell WELLS? ? 1921 census Gateshead: head John C WELLS, Emma C WELLS, now born Liverpool and children Walter C, Mark C, Archibald C, Philip C John Campbell WELLS died 1932. In 1939 Emma WELLS is living at 40 Kent Street. She is a widow and her date of birth is Feb 22, 1866 ? So is this ‘my’ Emma? ? Against: Mother’s maiden name for 7 of the children is WILLIAMS. ? For: 1.????? Date of birth; 1866 (correct month and day but a year out). 2.????? Names 3 children Walter, Mark and Lily. ‘My’ Emma’s father was Mark and 3 of her siblings were Mark, Walter and Lily 3.????? Place of birth in 1921 is now Liverpool What have I overlooked? ? LIn |
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Re: 1841 census
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From the details you gave its HO107 piece 1303 book 17 folio 26 page 14 Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 17/09/2023 07:58, Karen Hodges wrote:
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1841 census
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I am researching the WHITELEY Family from Rishworth Yorkshire.
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I want to find which of Eli & Betty WHITELEY's children were?alive in the 1841/51 census. I have found Mary HOLROYD (nee? WHITELEY) in the 1851 census but struggled fo find the 1841. However family search has a connected record to the 1851 census in Rishworth for 1841 at Halifax. I want to add the details to lost cousins website but the reference information on family search is missing the book no. I don't have a subscription to Findmypast to view the origin image and find the book no. Can someone help me with the book number reference please?
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Re: 1939 records
开云体育Hello Everybody, ? That number was also used on the original National Health Service Record for the person. I still have my National Identity Card! ? Rod in Hampshire. ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Hilary Jackson via groups.io
Sent: 15 September 2023 12:53 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [yorksgen] 1939 records ? The number is repeated on every identity card for that district. ? Hilary ? On Thu, 14 Sep 2023 at 18:04, Brian Scott <granddadscott@...> wrote:
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Re: 1939 records
The number is repeated on every identity card for that district. Hilary On Thu, 14 Sep 2023 at 18:04, Brian Scott <granddadscott@...> wrote:
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Re: 1939 records
You need to have a read of the information on the National Archives
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Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 14/09/2023 17:59, Brian Scott wrote:
I agree it's a code but it's also the number on the ID card of my aunt. |
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Re: 1939 records
I agree it's a code but it's also the number on the ID card of my aunt. I'm curious to know it it is just a random group of letters or that there is a pattern to them and a reason for particular letters for particular areas. On Thu, 14 Sept 2023, 16:55 Hilary Jackson via , <hilary.jcksn=[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: 1939 records
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Its nothing very exciting I am afraid, its an area code See Lots of good information on the 1939 National Identity Register here Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 14/09/2023 10:03, Granddadscott wrote:
Recently checking the 1939 records I have discovered that the I.D. cards issued are somehow connected to the records. |
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Re: 1939 records
开云体育If it was for Female how can there be males on the same page. ? As I explained earlier – check out the videos on the FMP website they explain everything ? KOL F 118 4 KOL is the district as can be determined at ? Will show that KOL is Selby in Yorkshire As Selby is an Urban district it was broken down into smaller chunks hence the F there would have been A, B, C, D and E before it ? The 118 is the schedule number And the 4 would be the person position in the household ? Lecturer on the 1939 register amongst others ? Regards John Hanson FSG Researching the Halstead/Holstead/Alstead names Researcher, the Halsted Trust - Research website - ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Granddadscott
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2023 10:03 AM To: Yorksgen Group <[email protected]> Subject: [yorksgen] 1939 records ? Recently checking the 1939 records I have discovered that the I.D. cards issued are somehow connected to the records. My aunt still has hers and the I. D.? KOLf then a number corresponding to the number in the household ie No 8. What does the KOL and f stand for. My guess is the f is female but unsure. |
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Re: 1939 records
It’s the code number given to all districts in the 1039 register. F will not mean female or anything - if you look at other districts in the 1939 they all have a code.? On Thu, 14 Sep 2023 at 16:29, Granddadscott <granddadscott@...> wrote:
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1939 records
Recently checking the 1939 records I have discovered that the I.D. cards issued are somehow connected to the records. My aunt still has hers and the I. D.? KOLf then a number corresponding to the number in the household ie No 8. What does the KOL and f stand for. My guess is the f is female but unsure. |
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Re: Odd discovery
开云体育With the one that died in 2006 if you have the death certificate and know someone with a FMP account then you can get them to have it unlocked. ? Alternatively, you could do it via the TNA but that would cost you. ? As Ancestry only get a new set of images from TNA once a year it is not possible for them to be able to unlock the records ? Regards John Hanson FSG Researching the Halstead/Holstead/Alstead names Researcher, the Halsted Trust - Research website - And my own study of FOSKER ? ? ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Granddadscott
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2023 5:02 PM To: Yorksgen Group <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [yorksgen] Odd discovery ? Thank you? Most helpful. ?? Yes one of those blank are still alive the other does since 2006 ? On Wed, 13 Sept 2023, 16:38 John Hanson, <john.hanson@...> wrote:
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Re: Odd discovery
Thank you? Most helpful. ?? Yes one of those blank are still alive the other does since 2006 On Wed, 13 Sept 2023, 16:38 John Hanson, <john.hanson@...> wrote:
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Re: Odd discovery
开云体育I think you are referring to the 1939 Register? The Register (which was not a census) was taken on 29 Sept 1939 and was used to produce identity cards and subsequently to issue ration books. The Register was continually updated while National Registration was in force as it was a legal requirement to notify the registration authorities of any change of name or address. This ended in 1952. Since 1948 the Register was also used by the NHS (National Health Service), who continued updating the records until 1991. The Register entry showed Gladys changed her surname by marriage (or other reason) and that the record was changed on 16.8.46 (not the date of marriage or name change). This gives more information on the 1939 Register Lin On 13/09/2023 15:00, Granddadscott
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Re: Odd discovery
开云体育This is the 1939 Register (not a census) taken at the start of WW2 If you haven’t come across it before then this video on findmypast will help – They released it first ? The reason that Gladys’s surname is crossed out is that she married someone with the surname SCOTT – the date and the KOL show when and where the change was made. The two other entries in the family show other possible children who have not yet died – or the birth details on the death do not match. Also possible that they died recently and the details of deaths post 2006 are not available ? 1939 Register is a subject I regularly lecture on ? Regards John Hanson FSG Researching the Halstead/Holstead/Alstead names Researcher, the Halsted Trust - Research website - And my own study of FOSKER ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Granddadscott
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2023 3:00 PM To: Yorksgen Group <[email protected]> Subject: [yorksgen] Odd discovery ? Checking the 1936 census. Found my grandparents on my mother's side. Looking at the actual record book image you can see that my mother's name Sandham Gladys is crossed out and the name Scott inserted. Some other text dated. What was this all about and why? |
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Odd discovery
Checking the 1936 census.
Found my grandparents on my mother's side.
Looking at the actual record book image you can see that my mother's name Sandham Gladys is crossed out and the name Scott inserted.
Some other text dated.
What was this all about and why?
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/22941518:61596?tid=&pid=&queryId=b525d02f192ae8c3f5ffb9a292e7a5d1&_phsrc=hSo1872&_phstart=successSource |
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Re: Finding Twins
Thomas and Emma's 2 daughters:
HILL, FLORENCE? MARGARET?? ??? MMN YOUNG? ??? GRO Reference: 1909? Sept Q HOUGHTON-LE-SPRING? Volume 10A? Page 535 HILL, GLADYS? MAY LILIAN ??? MMN YOUNG? ??? GRO Reference: 1911? Jun Q in HOUGHTON-LE-SPRING? Volume 10A? Page 578 (this is odd as census has name as Georgina Mary) They are all on 1921 census - Rose is now married and with her husband William SANDHAM Lin |
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