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I am moderator of a dying Yahoo group. I would like to poll my Yahoo members and see if they want to continue the group and fund the transfer effort.

I know this will take additional time and so I wanted to ask:

Since I have successfully exported and downloaded my Yahoo group, can you import from my downloaded file or do you need to make a direct connection as outlined in the FAQ?

On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 04:09 PM, Spica Speakers Group wrote:

I am moderator of a dying Yahoo group. I would like to poll my Yahoo members and see if they want to continue the group and fund the transfer effort.

Can you invite other members? Can you promote others to Moderator? If you're only a Moderator yourself, you probably can't use the Easy Group Transfer method anyway.

I know this will take additional time and so I wanted to ask:

Since I have successfully exported and downloaded my Yahoo group, can you import from my downloaded file...

No.

...or do you need to make a direct connection as outlined in the FAQ?

You probably can't do that, either.?

If you don't have the "Add, remove, and change moderator privileges" permission in the Yahoo group, you need to find someone who does. Otherwise, you should plan to upload all of the content to the new group manually, using the info found in Item #10 of the FAQ.

Bruce

I just tried to make an existing member a moderator and can find no way to do that. So it appears that I am dead in the water.

I feel like my original intent may not have been well communicated. I am not trying to do this myself, or do it for free.

The question is can groups.io do it (for a fee) at some date in the future from the Export I received from Yahoo.

On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 04:58 PM, Spica Speakers Group wrote:

I just tried to make an existing member a moderator and can find no way to do that. So it appears that I am dead in the water.

That's unfortunate, but let's be totally honest...if you're neither the Owner nor have his cooperation, then this Yahoo group is simply not yours to transfer.?

There is nothing keeping you from creating a parallel group and inviting people over, or even uploading the content. You just won't be able to use the Easy Group Transfer process to do it.

Regards,
Bruce

On 11/5/2019 5:00 PM, Spica Speakers Group wrote:

I feel like my original intent may not have been well communicated. I am not trying to do this myself, or do it for free.
The question is can groups.io do it (for a fee) at some date in the future from the Export I received from Yahoo.

Groups.io may or may not offer this feature in the future.

However, Wilson Logan at PG Offline, which also has a Yahoo export program ($25 one-time license cost), has a priority on providing a way to get that archive into groups.io:



"All changes are queued behind:

"1) PGO to GIO transfer"

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Bill

On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 05:20 PM, Bill Burns wrote:

However, Wilson Logan at PG Offline, which also has a Yahoo export program ($25 one-time license cost), has a priority on providing a way to get that archive into groups.io:



"All changes are queued behind:

"1) PGO to GIO transfer"

Bill -- This isn't going to make me very popular, but I for one hope this doesn't come to pass.

The existing transfer process at least involves some semblance of consent from someone in a position of authority in the originating group. If anyone with an email address and this software can subscribe?for a day and immediately clone a group here in groups.io, this raises issues both ethical and legal. In fact, it bears a strong resemblance to DVD or software pirating.

As someone fully vested in the future of this platform, I do not want to see groups.io?get embroiled in some sort of court battle regarding group/content ownership. To the casual observer, that may seem unlikely -- but it only has to happen once. And if it does, we will ALL be affected.

My $0.02,
Bruce

On 11/5/2019 5:43 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:

On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 05:20 PM, Bill Burns wrote:
However, Wilson Logan at PG Offline, which also has a Yahoo export
program ($25 one-time license cost), has a priority on providing a
way to get that archive into groups.io:

"All changes are queued behind:
"1) PGO to GIO transfer"
Bill -- This isn't going to make me very popular, but I for one hope this doesn't come to pass.
The existing transfer process at least involves some semblance of consent from someone in a position of authority in the originating group. If anyone with an email address and this software can subscribe?for a day and immediately clone a group here in groups.io, this raises issues both ethical and legal. In fact, it bears a strong resemblance to DVD or software pirating.
As someone fully vested in the future of this platform, I do not want to see groups.io?get embroiled in some sort of court battle regarding group/content ownership. To the casual observer, that may seem unlikely -- but it only has to happen once. And if it does, we will ALL be affected.
My $0.02,
Bruce

Bruce: That's a very good point, and on reflection I have to agree with you.

I have no idea how Wilson is planning to do his proposed transfer, as he obviously has no more access to GIO's internals than any of us do, unless he works out some kind of arrangement with Mark.

The only way I could see it working otherwise is for Wilson to add a routine to automatically re-mail all messages one by one from the PGO archive to a groups.io list, but that of course would not preserve the ownership of each email.

I guess Mark will have to deal with this issue when it arises.

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Bill

I see exactly where you are coming from Bruce...? I won't be popular for my opinion, either.

I have received the YG download zip and have tried PGO for a group I am only a member of. BOTH ways give me access to the whole archive and include both messages and the entire email address for each. The member list and email addresses are hidden from me at the YG group.?Somewhere at some time, group owners (myself included) must have accepted that this might happen... subscribers must have agreed that their email addresses may not be private to group members, also. OR, perhaps YG is just stupid and will end up sued... who knows... I'm not gonna read the ToS to find out.

I have set my groups setting here to make sure that email addresses can not be harvested, but it looks like YG's settings are not so great.

The bigger threat, IMO, is PGO injecting messages (probably by emailing them en mass) into GIO without Mark's approval. I hope that he is monitoring this issue (or that those with his ear are) and making settings that will stop this from happening without his intervention to make sure he receives the proper compensation and that the database remains stable.

okay to be "honest" the owner made me a moderator 6+ years ago and has since disappeared. All attempts to reach him have thus far failed.?

I am and have been the only person over the group and am trying my best to keep it a float.

On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 05:22 PM, Juulz wrote:

(probably by emailing them en mass) into GIO without Mark's approval.

I read, but can't find at the moment, that there's already a limit sending messages to GIO.? I believe it's 40 within a certain time and don't know what the timeout is before you can send more.? Can you imagine trying to inject 100,000 messages at 40 per hour (or whatever the limit is)?? Having said that, this doesn't sound like a good idea, even if it can be done.

Edit:? Okay, found it.? It's 40 messages per 30 minutes, https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/8326

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I am an owner of several YG and am also blocked from promoting new or existing members to moderators????

That's unfortunate, but let's be totally honest...if you're neither the Owner nor have his cooperation, then this Yahoo group is simply not yours to transfer.?

There is nothing keeping you from creating a parallel group and inviting people over, or even uploading the content. You just won't be able to use the Easy Group Transfer process to do it.

Regards,
Bruce

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On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 08:29 PM, Steve Gawron wrote:

I am an owner of several YG and am also blocked from promoting new or existing members to moderators????

Steve -- I have to acknowledge the possibility that Yahoo Groups is simply broken in this regard. Nothing else seems to work with any reliability.

That said, did you ever take accept the OATH pledge (terms of service) after the last Yahoo data breach? That may have some bearing on it. Also, do you have a blue crown or a green crown? If your crown is green, then you are a Moderator, no matter what the tooltip says when you hover over it.

Bruce

Spica Speakers Group,

Since I have successfully exported and downloaded my Yahoo group, can
you import from my downloaded file or do you need to make a direct
connection as outlined in the FAQ?

The formal mechanism required a direct copy from the Yahoo Group.

However Mark has indicated they can import message content in mbox file format, likely requiring the same $220 upgrade to Premium Yearly. I believe the Yahoo getmydata download is in the correct mbox format.


The alternatives are Lena's program (free) to re-post mbox downloads, and Wilson's planned PGO-2-GIO program ($50 and up) to re-post PGO downloads. Both suffer the defect that the reposted messages appear under the From address of the person doing the reposting, and at the current date, rather than the original From address and message Date.

okay to be "honest" the owner made me a moderator 6+ years ago and has
since disappeared. All attempts to reach him have thus far failed.

I'd say your position as moderator qualifies you to make this decision on behalf of your group's members, no less than the mods who happen to have the privilege to promote the transfer agent.

I'm not as concerned about potential legal challenges to moving a group to Groups.io. I think that line was crossed when Groups.io decided to create the transfer process in the first place. Accomplishing it by other means does not seem (to me) to change why or how a plaintiff would lodge the complaint nor how Groups.io would handle it.

Shal


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