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Adding Via Groups IO to my sender name


 

Hello

A few weeks ago I asked about why "Via Groups IO" was being added to my sender name and shows under from as "Loopy via Groups IO" when I send mail to my group.? Someone said it must have been my email provider that was doing that.? So I closed that email account (ZOHO) and opened a new account under GMAIL.
It was all fine until about 4 or 5 days ago and once again this started being added to my sender name which leads me to believe it isn't my email account but something to do with groups io.? I've had another? gmail account that I have used for years without that problem.

I hope someone can help because I don't like that being added.? Other people in the group use gmail without this issue.? Thank you in advance.

Loopy


 

On Sun, Dec 9, 2018 at 08:30 AM, <a.loopy.letter@...> wrote:
I hope someone can help because I don't like that being added.? Other people in the group use gmail without this issue.?
Not anymore. See??and also?/static/help#dmarc?

Hope this helps,
Bruce?
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Loopy,

It was all fine until about 4 or 5 days ago and once again this
started being added to my sender name which leads me to believe it
isn't my email account but something to do with groups io.
As Bruce cited, a few weeks ago Gmail made a change, which caused a warning to be displayed if you receive your own message back from Groups.io. To avoid that warning Groups.io made a change to how the "From" field is written when sent back to you (but not to other members of the group). That's what you're seeing.

I don't like it either. I was happy with my messages showing up in Gmail as From "me", now they're From someone named "Shal Farley via Groups.io". Aside from being ugly, this new method confuses my email client (Thunderbird) because the From no longer matches any account I actually have. PITA

I hope someone can help because I don't like that being added.
Not in the foreseeable future. There is a technique Groups.io can try (ARC signing the messages), but it is a lot of work for Mark and not guaranteed to succeed.

Or Gmail could roll back that change, but that is even less likely, Mark has talked with an engineer there and he says the trend is towards tightening the rules, not relaxing them.

Gmail's intent is to ensure that you, as a recipient of a message, can tell when the message was sent directly from someone's email account versus when it was sent "via" some third-party service (a list) like Groups.io.

Other people in the group use gmail without this issue.
For now, you see other member's addresses without that change, and they see yours without it. And every Gmail user sees their own with it. But if Gmail tightens this up further Groups.io may be forced to re-write more user's From addresses.

Shal



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Ellen
 

Isn't the option to use your .. I call it my main addy ... instead of the gmail addy work for you? I ended up doing that. I write all my email under miz.elly@ but my "paid for" addy is ellen@ Once I added that and made it my main address, I had no more issues.
Hoping this isn't clear as mud.
Ellen

-----Original Message-----
From: Shal Farley
Sent: Sunday, December 9, 2018 2:57 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GMF] Adding Via Groups IO to my sender name

Loopy,

It was all fine until about 4 or 5 days ago and once again this
started being added to my sender name which leads me to believe it
isn't my email account but something to do with groups io.
As Bruce cited, a few weeks ago Gmail made a change, which caused a
warning to be displayed if you receive your own message back from
Groups.io. To avoid that warning Groups.io made a change to how the
"From" field is written when sent back to you (but not to other members
of the group). That's what you're seeing.

I don't like it either. I was happy with my messages showing up in Gmail
as From "me", now they're From someone named "Shal Farley via
Groups.io". Aside from being ugly, this new method confuses my email
client (Thunderbird) because the From no longer matches any account I
actually have. PITA

I hope someone can help because I don't like that being added.
Not in the foreseeable future. There is a technique Groups.io can try
(ARC signing the messages), but it is a lot of work for Mark and not
guaranteed to succeed.

Or Gmail could roll back that change, but that is even less likely, Mark
has talked with an engineer there and he says the trend is towards
tightening the rules, not relaxing them.

Gmail's intent is to ensure that you, as a recipient of a message, can
tell when the message was sent directly from someone's email account
versus when it was sent "via" some third-party service (a list) like
Groups.io.

Other people in the group use gmail without this issue.
For now, you see other member's addresses without that change, and they
see yours without it. And every Gmail user sees their own with it. But
if Gmail tightens this up further Groups.io may be forced to re-write
more user's From addresses.

Shal



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Ellen,

Isn't the option to use your .. I call it my main addy ... instead of
the gmail addy work for you? I ended up doing that. I write all my
email under miz.elly@ but my "paid for" addy is ellen@ Once I added
that and made it my main address, I had no more issues.
Posting from one address, while receiving at another is one work-around; one can do that with an Email Alias address in your account (or a second account and subscription).

With Gmail as your provider you might not even need a second email address, just use a "dotted" form for one of them (shals.2nd versus shals2nd, for example).

I'm not sure though that I'd consider that any less a PITA than putting up with the From rewriting. Though I suppose once you've got it set it up right it may not require further effort.

Shal


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Ellen
 

Nope .. doesn't require anything else. The mail all arrives and folks get mine. The gmail addy did have to be an addon though with my eastlink account as the main sign in.
I've explained to a few of the ladies in my group who were having problems and it worked for them too.
Ellen

-----Original Message-----
From: Shal Farley
Sent: Sunday, December 9, 2018 7:31 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GMF] Adding Via Groups IO to my sender name

Ellen,

Isn't the option to use your .. I call it my main addy ... instead of
the gmail addy work for you? I ended up doing that. I write all my
email under miz.elly@ but my "paid for" addy is ellen@ Once I added
that and made it my main address, I had no more issues.
Posting from one address, while receiving at another is one work-around;
one can do that with an Email Alias address in your account (or a second
account and subscription).

With Gmail as your provider you might not even need a second email
address, just use a "dotted" form for one of them (shals.2nd versus
shals2nd, for example).

I'm not sure though that I'd consider that any less a PITA than putting
up with the From rewriting. Though I suppose once you've got it set it
up right it may not require further effort.

Shal


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HI Shal

Thanks for that explanation.? I sort of kind of understand what you are saying.? So it appears this is going to happen with any email I use?
I have an outlook account I can use but no point changing it if that is going to be added to it.? It started with my ZOHO mail and so I changed to Gmail
and now it's there also.?? It's a real PITA for sure.

Thanks for your time and help.? Much appreciated.

Regards
Loopy


 

Loopy,

So it appears this is going to happen with any email I use?
Yes and no.

It depends not only on the service you use, but on the email interface of the person looking at your message.

... I changed to Gmail and now it's there also.
When you look at your own, yes, but not as others see it.

For example, when I look at your message in my Gmail Inbox I see a.loopy.letter and nothing else. But in the previow of the message, or the message when I open it, I see your email address in bold, with "via groups.io" in small print.

However, when I look at my own message (also sent from Gmail) or a message from someone with one of the DMARC-affected services, in the Inbox I see the person's name followed by "via Gro." (apparently the column width is too narrow to spell it out). But in the preview (and opened message) I see "Shal Farley via Groups.io" all in the same bold face.

Using my email application, Thunderbird, I do not see any "via Groups.io" at all for your address (but do for mine and for the DMARC-affected ones).

I have an outlook account I can use but no point changing it if that
is going to be added to it.
There's basically no point in trying to deal with this issue, it is largely out of users' hands. More and more I suspect users will need to get used to seeing markings like that on messages that went through email lists of any sort. They're trying to stomp out the kind of confusion that some users have about whether a given message came directly or via a list.

Shal


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