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Yahoo Group Suddenly Comes To Life

 

I guess with the ongoing stay-at-home restrictions, many groups have become much busier. I referred to this previously as one of the few bright spots in an otherwise especially bleak time.

A couple times over the past six weeks messages posted in an old Yahoo Group --that was moved to io last November -- suddenly began appearing in my inbox. Apparently a few members had not gotten the word that the group moved six months ago. One of the respondents is someone I know, someone who DID move to the new group and has been fairly active there. I emailed him to ask, 'Why would they be posting the messages in the Yahoo group, do you think they don't know the group moved?" The down side is, there were images attached to some of the messages and those images were not stored by Yahoo. Also, the Yahoo Group is extremely slow while the io group is running about fifteen messages a day. Any members who have not gotten the word on the move are missing all that.

To my surprise, at first the gentleman I contacted was baffled as to what I was talking about. It turned out, when he read and replied to the messages he never noticed they were from Yahoo. On the group's old Yahoo homepage it says the group has been "abandoned in place." I'm just a member of this group, and not a very active one (though I enjoy reading the messages), so I'm reluctant to do anything other than to have contacted the man I know.

Has anyone else seen anything like this happen?

tommy0421
 

On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 10:05 AM, Tommy Meehan wrote:
On the group's old Yahoo homepage it says the group has been "abandoned in place."
That may be because there's no one left that can "shut down" the Y! group.? If there's still an owner, or mod with enough permissions, they may be able to change settings to prevent messages being accepted, as well as reminding folks that the group has moved.? Things have changed a lot, so I'm not sure how much control still remains.

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Regarding the Yahoogroups and messages, since they gutted everything out of the site, all the ability to stop messages, or even shut down those automatic messages set by the old calendar (that no longer exists) still will appear in new emails.? The ability to Delete the group is still there.

Under Groups Settings over there, there's a Messages Reply To: and choices of All Members, Sender, Group Owner, Leave Group and All Members and Sender.? Not sure it that means you can choose Group Owner and anyone who tries to post to the group - it only goes to the Group Owner so you can tell them to not post there.

That's all I see about what's left of the sites in Yahoogroups.

Sincerely,

Rli@...

In a message dated 5/10/2020 8:15:38 AM Pacific Standard Time, txpigeon@... writes:

On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 10:05 AM, Tommy Meehan wrote:
On the group's old Yahoo homepage it says the group has been "abandoned in place."
That may be because there's no one left that can "shut down" the Y! group.? If there's still an owner, or mod with enough permissions, they may be able to change settings to prevent messages being accepted, as well as reminding folks that the group has moved.? Things have changed a lot, so I'm not sure how much control still remains.

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I think the old owners of the suddenly active Yahoo group still have ownership rights. What I did with a couple of my old Yahoo groups (that had been moved to io in 2018) was remove all the members except for myself and one moderator. Or the Groups.io transfer agent. Why not just delete the group? Sentimentality? I came close to deleting a couple of them but...I just couldn't do it. LOL

Actually, I believe in never say never. Who knows what may be in store down the road.

tommy0421
 

On 5/10/20 3:15 PM, Duane wrote:
On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 10:05 AM, Tommy Meehan wrote:


On the group's old Yahoo homepage it says the group has been "abandoned in
place."
That may be because there's no one left that can "shut down" the Y! group.? If there's still an owner, or mod with enough permissions, they may be able to change settings to prevent messages being accepted, as well as reminding folks that the group has moved.? Things have changed a lot, so I'm not sure how much control still remains.
Roughly a decade ago, I migrated most of the lists I moderate on
YahooGroups, to a webforum. I shuttered as many as I could, and those
that I couldn't shutter, I configured to require moderator approval,
where possible.

On one of the lists I moderate, the owner went missing almost twenty
years ago. Nobody knows anything about the owner.
The anti-spam measures I set up, used to work. However, with the
changes Oath made last year, new subscribers can spam to their heart's
content.
All I can do, is send a message every fortnight, advising the remaining
subscribers that the list migrated a decade ago, and that Oath has made
it impossible for me to moderate the list.

jonathon
 

Rli,

Under Groups Settings over there, there's a Messages Reply To: and
choices of All Members, Sender, Group Owner, Leave Group and All
Members and Sender. Not sure it that means you can choose Group Owner
and anyone who tries to post to the group - it only goes to the Group
Owner so you can tell them to not post there.
No.

It means the same thing there as here: it adds a Reply-To field to the header of outgoing messages so that replies by email (the only kind now) are directed as specified.

It won't affect a new message sent to the group's posting address.

Shal



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jonathon,

The anti-spam measures I set up, used to work. However, with the
changes Oath made last year, new subscribers can spam to their heart's
content.
We had a similar situation in one of my Yahoo Groups. What we did was change the group to "Anyone can apply to join this group, moderator approval is required" (it had been set for moderator approval NOT required).

This doesn't prevent a spammer who becomes a member from posting, but it at least stopped the "drive-by" spammers who would join and spam.

Except in the couple of cases where they fooled me and I approved their membership... Sigh.

Shal



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Two other old Yahoo groups I belong to have also had occasional messages posted after the group had moved here. In both a moderator replies fairly quickly, "Sorry! This group has closed. We moved the group -- including archives -- to Groups.io with the same group name. Here is the url- xxx.com. Please send future messages to that group."

What I did, when I moved any of my groups to Groups.io, was leave the Yahoo group set to everyone is moderated. That way, when someone sent a message to the old YG! group, I would delete the message and then email them and make the same explanation as above. Almost without exception, the person would email me back and say it had been a mistake. That they sent the message from their email and the auto-address had filled in the wrong url. They'd also usually then delete the Yahoo address from their email address book.

tommy0421
 

re: "Why not just delete the group? Sentimentality? I came close to deleting a couple of them but...I just couldn't do it. LOL"

Personally, I think there is a good reason to keep the old group, even if it's been gutted.? Many people learn about a group from something someone posted on a website or in another forum many years ago.? Leaving the old group gives them guidance to find the new group.

If you delete the old group, they can't find the new group at its new location -- unless they embark on a process of discovery with no roadsigns to help them.? I like leaving behind roadsigns.

Andy
 

At 06:48 PM 5/10/2020, you wrote:

re: "Why not just delete the group? Sentimentality? I came close to deleting a couple of them but...I just couldn't do it. LOL"

Personally, I think there is a good reason to keep the old group, even if it's been gutted.? Many people learn about a group from something someone posted on a website or in another forum many years ago.? Leaving the old group gives them guidance to find the new group.

If you delete the old group, they can't find the new group at its new location -- unless they embark on a process of discovery with no roadsigns to help them.? I like leaving behind roadsigns.

Andy

 

New people coming to the old group - that is one I never heard or thought about Actually I think the old group needed someone to approve new members I do not think new people can now still reach the old group?
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So far I have sent out a message to the old group every three months or so that we have moved So far it has only brought almost inactive members of the old group to the next one But the owner of the old group literally being deceased we can also not close the old group?
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But unless new messages at the old group occur it is gone? anyway
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Best regards
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Jan
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Op ma 11 mei 2020 00:55 schreef Andy <AI.egrps+io@...>:

re: "Why not just delete the group? Sentimentality? I came close to deleting a couple of them but...I just couldn't do it. LOL"

Personally, I think there is a good reason to keep the old group, even if it's been gutted.? Many people learn about a group from something someone posted on a website or in another forum many years ago.? Leaving the old group gives them guidance to find the new group.

If you delete the old group, they can't find the new group at its new location -- unless they embark on a process of discovery with no roadsigns to help them.? I like leaving behind roadsigns.

Andy

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Jan,

New people coming to the old group - that is one I never heard or
thought about
Even if there are no members and no messages, the Yahoo Group's Info/About page can stand as a "we've moved" billboard to direct visitors on to the new home of the group.

Shal


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I had that happen to one of my groups awhile back.? Sent each one a note pointing them to the new group..? hadn¡¯t thought about using the about page to? point people to the new group.? Thanks.

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Yahoo groups still works on a regular basis for email only.....no storage, no pictures

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On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 5:56 PM Ed_Willers <Whippet@...> wrote:

I had that happen to one of my groups awhile back.? Sent each one a note pointing them to the new group..? hadn¡¯t thought about using the about page to? point people to the new group.? Thanks.

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Gregg Gammie???????????? ??? ????Yo Quiero Libertad!!

Whippet@...?????????? Viva el Insurgente!

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¡°The soldier above all people, prays for peace, for they must suffer and bear the deepest wounds and scars of war.¡± ¨C Gen. Douglas MacArthur

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"There are only two means by which men can deal with one another: guns or logic. Force or persuasion. Those who know that they cannot win by means of logic, have always resorted to guns." ¡ªAyn Rand (1905-1982)

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Jan,

Our old Yahoo Groups' owner is AWOL since 2010.? These are setup to allow anyone to just join and post.? No moderators either.? We moved 4 groups into 1 here at GIO.

In the past month, I've gotten 5 new messages off those Yahoo listserv groups.? I've successfully rerouted 3 of those folks via a posting on those Yahoo listserve groups to join us on GIO.? Not sure where the other 2 people went.

We have no ability to update the ABOUT page on Yahoo as this is an OWNER function.? I do like the fortnight notification going out to those Yahoo listserve groups now.? It seems to be our only method of recourse.

-BMaverick
 

Not all Yahoo groups still work for email only. Mine (the one I transferred here) does NOT. That's a major reason we moved it.

On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 11:12 AM Moshe Freedenberg <unclmoishy@...> wrote:

Yahoo groups still works on a regular basis for email only.....no storage, no pictures
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All the best,
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02-572-5254
058-4824613
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Hi peeps,

With 2 yahoo groups that I own, that we had moved to groups.io, I had to make about 10 attempts, over a period of several months, in order to change the settings -- I was starting to think it wouldn't be possible to do at all --

-- changed to "new member needs approval", so if someone tries to join the yahoo group, we say no, join the groups.io group
-- put at the head of the group description, "hey we've moved to groups.io, here's the link"

We still get occasional attempts to join --
in the past several weeks we've gotten a handful of spam attempts --
and very odd:? we'll get an email from yahoo, "there is a pending member", but you go look and there is no pending person wanting to join.

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Thank you Ours was not a group you could directly join but you needed permission I asked around and we do have a moderator who is stil receiving the emails sent to the old group and redirects them to the new one

Best regards

Jan

Op ma 11 mei 2020 18:34 schreef BMaverick <bmaverick@...>:

Jan,

Our old Yahoo Groups' owner is AWOL since 2010.? These are setup to allow anyone to just join and post.? No moderators either.? We moved 4 groups into 1 here at GIO.

In the past month, I've gotten 5 new messages off those Yahoo listserv groups.? I've successfully rerouted 3 of those folks via a posting on those Yahoo listserve groups to join us on GIO.? Not sure where the other 2 people went.

We have no ability to update the ABOUT page on Yahoo as this is an OWNER function.? I do like the fortnight notification going out to those Yahoo listserve groups now.? It seems to be our only method of recourse.

-BMaverick

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