Milt,

Would you say it's likely that a second try following your directions
has a good shot at getting more photos properly moved, or is that more
likely to move the same photos and get the same error message from
Groups.io?

I can't even hazard a guess.

From what I've read the errors seem to be random, rather than tied to specific content. So that would bode well. But whether you'd get more than just another 20% I don't know.

Too, I don't know for certain that Mark considers a retry like this to be a proper use of the transfer facility. But I think it would bother him less to have you try it than to have you ask about it.

Kudos to Mark and his team at GIO on the great job they've done!

Indeed. He's not a member here but I'm sure good karma goes with the kudos. Credit where it is due and all that.

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Marv,

Searching on segments of email address, I didn't find much-- her
messages from the beginning of time on Y!, but no activities.

The problem may be the segments: The activity log search suffers from the defect of being a whole-word match. This is unlike the Members list, where searching on partial words match. I think this amounts to a bug in the Activity search.

cc'd to support to see if Mark agrees.

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I get it also. I understand most of the member's thoughts now. Not what I had expected, though. As far as why it should be a topic here? I think it is very appropriate here and it has reached a certain limit to only those who's mind has been made up long ago. To some of us new to IO it is still a topic of concern.

No more from me, on this, though. I know now what I will do. I think it is pretty clear what the organizational structure is, unless Mark happens to jump in and clarify it. I thought some time back someone said Mark is in this discussion group. If not, those moderating this group can get hold of Mark on this issue. I could if someone would give me his email address. I got a message from him when I first joined GMF, but did not know who he was then. In the groups.io website under Updates, it only has a partial email address: @markf
Stan


On 3/3/2018 4:08 PM, J_Catlady wrote:

I think we get the idea. I’ve muted and muted thread after thread on this issue. Haven’t we exhausted the topic? You’re concerned. You’re afraid to move. We get it. So don’t move. I dont see why this is considered on topic here any more. It has reached a certain limit.


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I think we get the idea. I’ve muted and muted thread after thread on this issue. Haven’t we exhausted the topic? You’re concerned. You’re afraid to move. We get it. So don’t move. I dont see why this is considered on topic here any more. It has reached a certain limit.


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On Mar 3, 2018, at 2:52 PM, Stan Gorodenski <stanlep@...> wrote:

Doug, and All,
First, I changed the subject line since someone thought it was inappropriate to be talking about this subject since the title was about Norton. However, I need to point out what I posted was in response to what had been said in that post.

You are correct that IO is not state government and in that sense it is not comparable because IO is not providing a crucial service that is mandated by government. However, I used this as an example to try and make a point, the point being that IO could be in trouble sometime in the future with an organizational structure of only one person.

It seems as though everyone keeps comparing IO to Yahoo to support this organizational structure. Because Yahoo is so bad, allegedly (I must be lucky since I have not had any major problems), the reasoning goes that this organizational structure of IO should not be a focus of concern. Someone in this thread asked how many people are developing or running Yahoo. Who knows? Let's assume, though, that it is just one person, like in IO. If this is true, then we are jumping from a frying pan by leaving Yahoo to another frying pan by going to IO. This is because in this scenario the only reason (although there are probably others such as antiquated systems in Yahoo) IO is better than Yahoo is because the IO individual is much better than the Yahoo individual.

Someone suggested that maybe I need to stay in Yahoo if I have my concerns. I have seriously been thinking that. I had previously brought to the membership of the group that I was thinking of moving to IO and wanted their opinions about this. Unless I learn more from this group to sooth my concerns before I do it, probably in a week or so I will bring the subject up again in the group and lay out the situation and see what their opinion is now. Yahoo may crash, but if it does maybe I can develop my own server discussion group before then. It is a gamble.
Stan

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Stan,

Unless I learn more from this group to sooth my concerns before I do
it, probably in a week or so I will bring the subject up again in the
group and lay out the situation and see what their opinion is now.

I'm not trying to minimize your concerns, but the best any of us here can do is describe why we were/are willing to take this "leap of faith"

Unless someone can cite any other public information that's relevant, I don't see how we members of GMF could possibly sooth your concerns; in one thread or another I think you've already been told or pointed to everything we know as facts about Groups.io and its prospects.

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Then there is always the pound sign used at least in the U.S. to indicate weight like 10# (lb.), and we can't forget about the # key on a phone, which is always referred to as the pound key.

Don

Doug, and All,
First, I changed the subject line since someone thought it was inappropriate to be talking about this subject since the title was about Norton. However, I need to point out what I posted was in response to what had been said in that post.

You are correct that IO is not state government and in that sense it is not comparable because IO is not providing a crucial service that is mandated by government. However, I used this as an example to try and make a point, the point being that IO could be in trouble sometime in the future with an organizational structure of only one person.

It seems as though everyone keeps comparing IO to Yahoo to support this organizational structure. Because Yahoo is so bad, allegedly (I must be lucky since I have not had any major problems), the reasoning goes that this organizational structure of IO should not be a focus of concern. Someone in this thread asked how many people are developing or running Yahoo. Who knows? Let's assume, though, that it is just one person, like in IO. If this is true, then we are jumping from a frying pan by leaving Yahoo to another frying pan by going to IO. This is because in this scenario the only reason (although there are probably others such as antiquated systems in Yahoo) IO is better than Yahoo is because the IO individual is much better than the Yahoo individual.

Someone suggested that maybe I need to stay in Yahoo if I have my concerns. I have seriously been thinking that. I had previously brought to the membership of the group that I was thinking of moving to IO and wanted their opinions about this. Unless I learn more from this group to sooth my concerns before I do it, probably in a week or so I will bring the subject up again in the group and lay out the situation and see what their opinion is now. Yahoo may crash, but if it does maybe I can develop my own server discussion group before then. It is a gamble.
Stan


On 3/3/2018 2:57 PM, Douglas Swearingen wrote:

Stan this is in no way comparable to a state government.

If you feel so insecure about Groups.io, then you either need to stay at Yahoo or go elsewhere.

I can pretty much guarantee at some point Yahoo is going to crash and burn. If you want an example, Yahoo photos and message posting was out 3 days last week. Groups.io was down for only 2 hours. Mark does a far superior job to support and meeting owners expectations than does all the many people Yahoo has on staff.

As for me and my group, we are delighted at the support that Mark provides as well as listening to and reacting to owners requests.

Doug

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Jim,

Maybe in North America, but until the internet became widespread I
knew it only as a sharp sign in music notation.

Actually, the sharp sign is a different character, ? versus #.

The octothorp has a long and storied history:


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Maybe in North America, but until the internet became widespread I knew it only
as a sharp sign in music notation. The standard abbreviation for number this
side of the pond was, and still is "no."

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All,

Bruce wrote:

Mark IS groups.io. Perhaps he will weigh into this discussion and let
us know what his continuity plans are, but I doubt it.

Particularly unlikely in that Mark is not a member of this group.

The essential questions Stan is asking can't be answered by any of us "on the outside" with anything other than speculation and hopes.

That said, Mark did touch upon these issues (long ago) publicly in beta and in more detail privately to some who had asked. But that was some years ago and some things have changed quite a bit (like the number of groups and users at Groups.io). So maybe it is time for someone to ask Mark directly.

But because he's not a member you can't do that here.

But we've strayed pretty far from the subject line, haven't we?

Yes, yes we have.

So lets get on with our mission of helping each other be better moderators.

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" How many tries do you make before giving up?"

One try.

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" This is an important one to me, but I am very hesitant to bring it over and delete the Yahoo group because there never has been any answer to this one member's question of whether there are any contingency plans to keep IO going."

Have you ever got an answer to that same question from Yahoo?

Don