On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 01:39 PM, Chuck Palmer wrote:

but that last message does not have the "split" option in its hamburger menu.? Interestingly, the second email in the thread does have that option in its dropdown.? But I want to leave that one and the initial one in the thread.

Chuck -- Click the "Date" link at upper right to invert the sort order. You should then be able to split off the message you want.

Am I missing something silly???

Not really...this behavior isn't very intuitive, and has confused a lot of people.

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Bruce

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I have a topic with 3 messages in it.? I'm trying to split out the latest message into a new topic using the instructions here:
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but that last message does not have the "split" option in its hamburger menu.? Interestingly, the second email in the thread does have that option in its dropdown.? But I want to leave that one and the initial one in the thread.

Am I missing something silly???
-chuck

Thanks Paul.? Our group is both restricted and listed in directory with private messages so that is why I thought they couldn't see them.? I'm hoping they can't.? Sporadically we get quite a few of these bogus requests to join.? They sit there for a couple of weeks and time-out.?

John P

On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 11:44 AM, Chris Klemmer wrote:

...my group is considering?requiring new members to provide a real name and an introduction or user profile.

There is no way of making applicants provide a real name; even if it was asked for thre would be nothing to prevent them using Deputy Dawg (or similar) unless Mark automatically barred obvious cartoon characters. On a less facetious level it would be perfectly possible to use John Smith or some other unremarkable name.

Requiring an Introduction is possible now, using the Pending Subscription Message capability which is available for groups set up (or changed to be) as Restricted.?

The term user profile is perhaps not a good one to use because Groups.io already has that in use, and it is nothing more than another "name" (which may or may not truly reflect the user's actual name) but that is an Account level function not a Group level one.

Suffice to say that having a Restricted group with an active Pending Subscription mesage requirement is the usual way in which this potential problem is addressed.

Chris.

(Which is my real name!)

As a security measure, my group is considering?requiring new members to provide a real name and an introduction or user profile. Is there a way to make this an integral part of the application process?
Chris

Bruce,

I thought that it was the List Message Policy that determined what
appeared. However, in today's posts to GMF (Making Invitations ...):
1. From Ken Cameron shows the "non-HTML" footer
2. From Chris Jones shows the HTML footer.

GMF has neither Plain Text Only nor Force HTML checked.

In that case the sender's email is sent through with one, the other, or both as it was received.

It was once a strong SHOULD in the email standard that a message containing HTML coding be sent in MIME multipart/alternative format, with two copies of the message body - first as text/plain and then as text/HTML. This was for backward compatibility with email interfaces that didn't support text/HTML formatting.

These days that has been loosened, and it is not that uncommon to see email messages containing only a text/HTML message body.

Shal


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Bruce,

I have Thunderbird set to Send as HTML because of my signature file.

Ok. This is set in each account, so if you're using more than one email address make sure you have it set correctly for the one used in your group.

In the Options Composition page, Send Options button, you may have this overridden per destination domain.

Also, it is possible for a contact entry in your address book to override this.

The Thunderbird VIEW setting is defaulted to Original HTML.

But of course this won't matter if the message has only a text/plain part (as this message, I believe). That can happen either by the sender's email interface or by the group setting Plain Text only.

So you think the problem is Thunderbird, and there's nothing I can do
about it??

Nope, not necessarily.

But what puzzles me is that I don't know how you could be seeing an HTML message body combined with a plain-text footer in the same message. Which is what it sounds like you are saying.

When looking at a message with the plain text footer, that shouldn't have, use View | Message Source (Ctrl-U) to check whether it has both:

Content-Type: text/plain; ...
and
Content-Type: text/html; ...

or only one or the other.


Shal


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G'day

I'm still puzzling over how footers appear.
I thought that it was the List Message Policy that determined what appeared. However, in today's posts to GMF (Making Invitations ...):

1. From Ken Cameron shows the "non-HTML" footer


2. From Chris Jones shows the HTML footer.


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If the policy is set for this list, why is there a variation in these two messages?

I would prefer the List I'm just setting up to have what was shown from Chris, but it seems groups.io is not consistent?

Help please.

开云体育

Thanks for your reply, Shal

The test message as received on our List was all in HTML.
I have Thunderbird set to Send as HTML because of my signature file.

The Thunderbird VIEW setting is defaulted to Original HTML.

So you think the problem is Thunderbird, and there's nothing I can do about it??

On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 07:27 PM, Ken Cameron wrote:

If you can then make a new message, make it locked so no further entries to
the topic, and then make that sticky, would that work?

Yes, although I much prefer the term Topic rather than message in this instance. In addition, if the sticky topic is a replacement for a wiki entry (because there is no wiki!) then a carefully selected (moderator only) hashtag would be not just appropriate but necessary.

Chris

I've had this happen to me. Back a while ago, I went to change my email address and I entered it in wrong. I was able to have somebody email me the address that was in the members list. And I was able to login with my current password and change it back on my profile. So you should be able to do the same as long as you remember what your password is.address.

Sara,

Glad to read that Duane had the right idea to help you straighten this out.

I recently inherited a GIO group when our owner passed away last
month. In fact, you and other group owners here might know him as he
ran the List-help group at Yahoo, John T (Torpey).

Indeed I do, very sad to hear of his passing.

I first started using Yahoo Groups in 2003; he and ListHelp were already there mentoring us noobs. I did not know him "IRL", but over the years had many email conversations with him both on and off list. His energy and helpfulness helped draw me in to the Yahoo Group moderators community.

When I went into the other account to request it, I must have
accidentally gone to the wrong URL and was in the change the email
address. In the right hand corner, I typed in my other email address,
but it wouldn't let me. There was a message, but I cannot recall it.

When you attempt to change your email address to one that already has a Groups.io account there is a message asking if you want to merge the accounts. That's an action fraught with consequences if both accounts are active members/mods/owners of various groups.

So then I retyped this email address, but apparently I misspelled it.

Ah. When the new address is not yet in use at Groups.io then you are allowed to change it without much fuss.

Now this is the odd part and is something I think GIO should reflect
on. I did not get an email to my other GIO ID asking if I requested
the change. I only received an email with this content:

Hello,
This is to notify you that you have changed the email address of your
Groups.io account ...

Thinking about this on a new day I see the same thing you realized: a confirmation from the old address is not required because then there would be no way to switch away from an address that you could no longer use (for whatever reason).

Shal


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Chris,

If you can then make a new message, make it locked so no further entries to
the topic, and then make that sticky, would that work?

-Ken Cameron, Member JMRI Dev Team
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On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 05:37 PM, Samuel Murray wrote:

2. One can make messages sticky.

Having done a quick test it appears as though you can, but you can't. Using the drop down beneath a Topic (in Topics view) reveals a Make Sticky option. Using the More hamburger at the bottom of an individual message also reveals a Make Sticky option, but it applies to the entire topic, not just a single message within the topic.

Chris

On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 11:37 AM, Samuel Murray wrote:

9. There is no space to put moderator-only information

A work around for this would be to put it in the Notes for one of the owner/mods (I'm pretty sure this still exists on new groups.)? Maybe use a secondary (throw away?) address that would only be used for this purpose.? I don't put anything in my own Notes, so that would work for me.? Other owner/mods would have access, but not members.

Duane
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Sara,

Does the email show the bad address? At least confirming the typo made. I
too would expect it to time out after not being confirmed. I'd also expect
that it should happen quickly if the attempt to send the confirmation
resulted in a bounce, meaning the bad address is invalid. The catch I see is
if the bad address is some valid email and whoever that is does respond to
that confirmation email.

I think the reason it doesn't do a confirmation via the old address is that
many people, when they have to change addresses, the old address has already
closed and they can't access it. Groups is using the fact that you knew the
password at Groups for the login as being a valid person to request the
change. That's my take on it.

-Ken Cameron, Member JMRI Dev Team
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www.syracusemodelrr.org

Perfect! That worked. It took a few tries on the password and of course the address was bouncing. But once I picked the correct password, logged in, went to my account and changed my email back to the correct one.

Thanks, Duane and Shal for your help!

Sara

On 15/11/2020 16:16, Chris Jones via groups.io wrote:

On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 02:56 PM, Duane wrote:
In addition, you could make that message a Sticky so it would be at
the top of the message archive for easy access.? You could also lock
it if you don't want discussion about it.
IMHO that would be a /significantly/ better option than using an attached file.

Yes, I've just tested a few options for exactly that.

1. I'm not sure what the size limitation for the front page is, but I was able to make the front page VERY long in a test group just now.

2. One can make messages sticky.

3. One can edit messages (so, you can edit the sticky message).

4. One can remove attachments or images from a message while editing it, but one can't add new attachments or new images to a message (except by linking to a source off-site).

5. In the Groups.io interface, attachments show up as attachments. However, in e.g. Thunderbird, HTML and TXT attachments are shown inline, so if one were to make archives available in e.g. PG Offline's HTML format, users of off-site mail readers would be able to search within archives without the need to download messages.

6. As far as I know, you can't make specific messages unavailable to the public. This means that if your group has public archives, you can't restrict the old archives to just members of your group, unless you attach them as zipped files with a password on them.

This is perhaps the biggest downside of all this: one can't restrict certain content to members, if the group isn't private.

7. Some old MBOX files contain things that some mail servers consider viruses, so if you are going to post an MBOX file as clear text, you may need to find a way to sanitize it of "viruses".

8. Groups.io does not allow EXE files as attachments, but AFAIK it does allow ZIP files with EXE files inside them.

9. There is no space to put moderator-only information, but one can add such information on a Google Doc and put the URL in a "Locked Group" notice -- since free groups can't be locked, there is less risk of accidentally sending the information to a member or members, but even if that happens, the notice contains only a URL to a site where moderators still need to sign in to see the content.

10. The Guidelines notice still exits for free groups.

Any other tips for making the most of the free basic group w.r.t. the lack of photos, files and database sections?

Samuel

On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 02:56 PM, Duane wrote:

In addition, you could make that message a Sticky so it would be at the top of the message archive for easy access.? You could also lock it if you don't want discussion about it.

IMHO that would be a significantly better option than using an attached file. Not only could the latter be hard to find before long, sooner or later it would be automatically deleted to make way for something else. (Unless of course the group in question wasn't set to autodelete oldest first material, in which case attachments would cease to work at all.)

A small correction to Samuel's size limitation of 1 GB for messages; the 1 GB is for attachments; there is no limit for messages themselves.

Chris

On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 08:48 AM, Duane wrote:

The information could be included in a file attached to a message.

In addition, you could make that message a Sticky so it would be at the top of the message archive for easy access.? You could also lock it if you don't want discussion about it.

Duane
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