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Nancy in Renton
 

How do I se it up so on transfer from Yahoo to io everyone¡¯s default is ¡°full digest¡±?
Nancy
Re: Additional member attribute(s) #suggestion

 

John,

Seems like we have two different use cases. I'd like a field that I
can search on and email this subset of members. But your use case of
just 'additional information' on members, and let them fill in what
fields they wish.
Yes, yours is moderator's info for actions, mine was info for all members. Of course I'd still like to be able to search mine.

I'm a lot less certain about enabling members to take actions like emailing the subset found by search. That could be powerful but it could also be disruptive in some groups.

Your examples make me think - One implementation could be to create a
default database for each group created called 'members'. Tie it to
the member list, but we could add any fields we wanted to.
That's yet another good idea.

I think, rather than making it a default database, I'd have a new column type that ties to the email addresses in the Members list. Adding a column of that type to a table would enable the linked functionality (auto-populate a row for each member).

This also addresses the member/mod visibility question by making it the table creator's choice. We'd likely need to think about whether the address field should have its own visibility control for member/mods - as I suspect my case for allowing members to see each other's addresses is the rarer case.

If a member went away the entry in this database would go away.
That's one feature I would *not* like. And it has been one of the reasons I've not worked out a proposal in detail. I hate the idea that I'd lose information just because a member took the (all too common) approach of changing their email address by unsubscribe/resubscribe.

Premium groups have a "Past" members list which retains information about members who've left or been removed. I'd like a table like this to retain rows for "past" members, but marked somehow as such. However this may encroach on the Premium feature so I'm not sure Mark would go for it.

(Now I wonder if this is become implementation gone wild. :-)
Maybe. Once you start down the direction of creating relational tables it seems like things could get wild pretty quickly. But then the whole site is built on database queries, if I understand correctly, so it may not get as wild as I think (databases are not my specialty). Perhaps it would primarily be a question of user interface complexity, and that's what would most likely impact Mark's willingness to implement.

I'm up for anything in beta - depends if you want to try a simple use
case though (make notes searchable) or something more involved and
database-like
Go ahead and suggest what is right for your use cases. I'll chime in there or not, or maybe make my own suggestion if I feel inspired. Groups.io already has a lengthy to-do list, even in the Database column, but I think we have to trust to Mark's judgment about implementation priorities.


Shal
Re: WordPress blog integration with Groups.io group?

 

More usefully, IFTTT is ¡°if this, then that¡±, a workflow/sequencing service. Their website is not helpful in understanding it, but the Wikipedia page is a decent description.
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On Jan 11, 2018, at 9:41 AM, David P. Dillard <jwne@...> wrote:


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Re: Some questions

 

Thank you, Duane. That is very helpful.

Barb Jones


From: Duane <txpigeon@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 6:26 AM
Subject: Re: [GMF] Some questions

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 11:06 pm, Barbara Jones wrote:

>
> We wish to be very prepared for questions from our members when we launch
> CampOn. Here are things we are not sure of. Thank you for your answers.?
>
> > 1. If a person is already a member of CampOn and is a moderator or owner,
> > does their moderator status result in a duplicate entry in CampOn?

If that person is already a member on io, nothing is copied.? If they're not on io, all of their settings are copied.? There will be one entry per email address, which is how members are identified.? If they are a member here, but used a different email address, they will have another entry.

> > 2. Is the record of an owner transferred along with their membership from
> > Camp2 to CampOn?

I'm not sure about this, but it should be, unless they're already a member on io.

> > 3. Is a sub-domain free? If it has photos are they counted in our 1 GB
> > allotment? Do we just sign up for one as we signed up for Groups.io?

I think you mean a subgroup.? You can have as many on a free group as you want.? Storage is allocated per main group, so all the items that use it in subgroups will count against the total.? You create subgroups using the menu for administrators.

> > 4. Do hash tags take up memory?

Hashtags don't count against storage.

> > 5. In our yahoo group we approve photos, but we cannot find a place to
> > approve them in CampOn. Are we missing something?

This isn't currently an option.? It is on Mark's TODO list at some point.

> > 6. We are unfamiliar with wiki, although I just read a description of it.
> > My reaction is we do not need it. Any thoughts on that? Our members are
> > older, mostly, and some can barely handle email. Does wiki take up some of
> > our memory?

Only photos in the Wiki take storage space, text doesn't.

> > 7. Could you give us an estimate of how many photos would fit in 1 GB when
> > they are reduced to?about the 300x300?level? This is the only sticking
> > point I can see with our members, but we do plan to explain to them that
> > this is not a site for photo storage, just for photo sharing, and deletion
> > when we need more space. But an estimate would help.

After the option became available, I set my groups to resize photos (on the Settings page) to 312x312.? One group currently has 546 photos, taking up 25MB.? That means I should be able to have about 20,000 photos, if I only stored photos.? Since I also use files and other things that use storage, it will be somewhat less.

> > 8. Is there a way to delete photos by date they were put on Camp.on? As in
> > deleting oldest ones first? And do you offer that service, or do we delete
> > them ourselves?

You'd need to delete photos manually.? There's not currently a way to do bulk deletes (other than deleting an entire album), so it can be time consuming.? Bulk delete is also on the TODO list.? (BTW, this is a user-to-user group, not an official support group of io, so we can't do anything you can't.)

> > 9. Do hashtags take up some of our memory? I know that files and databases
> > do. We will not be allowing attachments.

See #4 above.

Duane
Re: WordPress blog integration with Groups.io group?

David P. Dillard
 
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Re: Some questions

 

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 11:06 pm, Barbara Jones wrote:


We wish to be very prepared for questions from our members when we launch
CampOn. Here are things we are not sure of. Thank you for your answers.?

1. If a person is already a member of CampOn and is a moderator or owner,
does their moderator status result in a duplicate entry in CampOn?
If that person is already a member on io, nothing is copied. If they're not on io, all of their settings are copied. There will be one entry per email address, which is how members are identified. If they are a member here, but used a different email address, they will have another entry.

2. Is the record of an owner transferred along with their membership from
Camp2 to CampOn?
I'm not sure about this, but it should be, unless they're already a member on io.

3. Is a sub-domain free? If it has photos are they counted in our 1 GB
allotment? Do we just sign up for one as we signed up for Groups.io?
I think you mean a subgroup. You can have as many on a free group as you want. Storage is allocated per main group, so all the items that use it in subgroups will count against the total. You create subgroups using the menu for administrators.

4. Do hash tags take up memory?
Hashtags don't count against storage.

5. In our yahoo group we approve photos, but we cannot find a place to
approve them in CampOn. Are we missing something?
This isn't currently an option. It is on Mark's TODO list at some point.

6. We are unfamiliar with wiki, although I just read a description of it.
My reaction is we do not need it. Any thoughts on that? Our members are
older, mostly, and some can barely handle email. Does wiki take up some of
our memory?
Only photos in the Wiki take storage space, text doesn't.

7. Could you give us an estimate of how many photos would fit in 1 GB when
they are reduced to?about the 300x300?level? This is the only sticking
point I can see with our members, but we do plan to explain to them that
this is not a site for photo storage, just for photo sharing, and deletion
when we need more space. But an estimate would help.
After the option became available, I set my groups to resize photos (on the Settings page) to 312x312. One group currently has 546 photos, taking up 25MB. That means I should be able to have about 20,000 photos, if I only stored photos. Since I also use files and other things that use storage, it will be somewhat less.

8. Is there a way to delete photos by date they were put on Camp.on? As in
deleting oldest ones first? And do you offer that service, or do we delete
them ourselves?
You'd need to delete photos manually. There's not currently a way to do bulk deletes (other than deleting an entire album), so it can be time consuming. Bulk delete is also on the TODO list. (BTW, this is a user-to-user group, not an official support group of io, so we can't do anything you can't.)

9. Do hashtags take up some of our memory? I know that files and databases
do. We will not be allowing attachments.
See #4 above.

Duane
Re: WordPress blog integration with Groups.io group?

 

You can connect WordPress RSS feed to the group.

ADmin / Integrations / Feed Integration
Re: changing profile

 

Awesome
Ok I will contact you off list later in the morning as it's only 1a.m. and the house is asleep
Thanks Joseph
sugar

"Heaven is full of answers to prayers for which no one ever bothered to ask. :


Please support me in my journey to another opportunity of life at:


Bless you, Sugar Lopez

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 12:05 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GMF] changing profile

So sugar, did you get it fixed? Wanting to know as your message leave me to believe that you're still stuck. If you're still stuck, you can shoot me your phone number off the list, and I can help you navigate the website with Jaws if you would like. Is it is very tricky with the latest version. But I definitely know how to get by and help you get where you need to go. Please let me know.
On Jan 10, 2018, at 7:52 PM, Sugar Lopez <sugarsyl71@...> wrote:

Yep that¡¯s right.
Thanks Joseph. Smile
Sugar
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Re: WordPress blog integration with Groups.io group?

 

Okay I maybe a 'wee' bit computer literate but what the heck's a IFTTT?

(:>J
Re: changing profile

Joseph Hudson
 

So sugar, did you get it fixed? Wanting to know as your message leave me to believe that you're still stuck. If you're still stuck, you can shoot me your phone number off the list, and I can help you navigate the website with Jaws if you would like. Is it is very tricky with the latest version. But I definitely know how to get by and help you get where you need to go. Please let me know.
On Jan 10, 2018, at 7:52 PM, Sugar Lopez <sugarsyl71@...> wrote:

Yep that¡¯s right.
Thanks Joseph. Smile
Sugar
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Some questions

 

? We wish to be very prepared for questions from our members when we launch CampOn. Here are things we are not sure of. Thank you for your answers.?


1. If a person is already a member of CampOn and is a moderator or owner, does their moderator status result in a duplicate entry in CampOn?
2. Is the record of an owner transferred along with their membership from Camp2 to CampOn?
3. Is a sub-domain free? If it has photos are they counted in our 1 GB allotment? Do we just sign up for one as we signed up for Groups.io?
4. Do hash tags take up memory?
5. In our yahoo group we approve photos, but we cannot find a place to approve them in CampOn. Are we missing something?
6. We are unfamiliar with wiki, although I just read a description of it. My reaction is we do not need it. Any thoughts on that? Our members are older, mostly, and some can barely handle email. Does wiki take up some of our memory?
7. Could you give us an estimate of how many photos would fit in 1 GB when they are reduced to?about the 300x300?level? This is the only sticking point I can see with our members, but we do plan to explain to them that this is not a site for photo storage, just for photo sharing, and deletion when we need more space. But an estimate would help.
8. Is there a way to delete photos by date they were put on Camp.on? As in deleting oldest ones first? And do you offer that service, or do we delete them ourselves?
9. Do hashtags take up some of our memory? I know that files and databases do. We will not be allowing attachments.

Barbara Jones, Co-owner of CampOn
Re: Group . IO front page

Nancy in Renton
 

Yahoo calls the photo at the top a banner photo. The smaller one lower down is homepage photo.
Re: Additional member attribute(s) #suggestion

 

OK, I found the Notes field, but when you do a Search it doesn't search said notes field.? But as you suggest you could put the Notes in the drop-down; that might be useful

Seems like we have two different use cases.? ? ?I'd like a field that I can search on and email this subset of members.? ?But your use case of just 'additional information' on members, and let them fill in what fields they wish.

Your examples make me think - One implementation could be to create a default database for each group created called 'members'.? Tie it to the member list, but we could add any fields we wanted to.? If a member went away the entry in this database would go away.? Database could have the standard 'choose visibility' settings? (Now I wonder if this is become implementation gone wild.? :-)


I'm up for anything in beta - depends if you want to try a simple use case though (make notes searchable) or something more involved and database-like

- John



On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 12:27 PM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:
John Mc,

> Has there been any thought/discussion to add one (or more) fields to
> the member information?

There is one "extra" field. If you open a member's page there's the "Notes" tab.

Alas, that feature is rather out-of-sight-out-of-mind right now, there's no indication given in the list that it holds content, and there are no notifications when a moderator updates that field. At least the update does get logged in the Moderator Activity log.

> Not trying to turn the member list into a full-out database - but for
> some lists it's nice to have one more bit of information about a
> person.? ?What street you live on for the neighborhood list.? What
> your plot number is for the community garden list.? ?Stuff like that.

I've often wished for functionality like this, but I've never come up with a proposed "best" way to do it.

Just adding more fields to the Members list is one approach. But it can make that list cluttered, which could ultimately be an impediment to its primary use cases. Maybe there would be a clever way to manage what is shown when there are too many columns to fit the user's window; a bit like Excel's split and/or freeze features.

I've also thought of having it be another selector, "Notes", in the Members list view button that currently selects Members, Moderators, Pending, Bouncing, or Banned. When "Notes" is selected then the custom fields are shown rather than the standard fields. But I think you'd have to have at least the email field automatically included, or both email and Display name. So you rapidly run into the same width problem as having them in the primary members list.

A pro or con of those ideas (depending on your use case) is that it would be available only to moderators.

Possibly one could do a similar thing built on the member Directory so that it could be made available to members if desired. In my classmate groups it would be desirable to allow members to add their current address, phone number, nick-name in school, activities, or other information to help everyone remember them. Even a second "then" picture to go with their current profile photo/avatar.

> Couldn't find anything searching old topics - is this wish list
> worthy?

I'd say yes. We could kick it around here some more if you like, or just go for it in beta.

Shal
Re: Cannot access group I just created #groupowner

 

On 10.01.2018 18:42, Shal Farley wrote:
Pedja,

> I am new to this. I just created my first group and set it to bi
> private. It seems it is not visible even for me. I just get error
>
>> Hmm. We¡¯re having trouble finding that site.
>> We can¡¯t connect to the server at ...

It sounds like you have the address wrong, and/or are not logged in
to Groups.io. Try going here:

/

If that page shows you a list of your group memberships then click on
the group you wish to visit.

If that page shows you general information about Groups.io then you
are not logged in. When you log in, be sure to use the same email address that you used when you created your group. Then go back to that page.

> Actually, after I created group it seemed normal, but then I decided
> to set how subgroups work, and created subgroup which I also set to be
> private. After that I was unable to access group or subgroup.

Creating a subgroup does change the address (both web and email) for
your group, but the old address should still work - it should automatically redirect you to the new address. And in any case, the group should be in your group list (at the link above).


It seemed like address was resolved by DNS but was still unknown to server. Some time later it settled and group is now accessible.

Thanks.

Pedja



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Pedja YT9TP
Re: changing profile

 

Yep that¡¯s right.

Thanks Joseph. Smile

Sugar

?

"Heaven is full of answers to prayers for which no one ever bothered to ask. :

?

Please support me in my journey to another opportunity of life at:

?

Bless you, Sugar Lopez

?

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 12:11 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GMF] changing profile

?

Hello, it sounds like the issues that you¡¯re dealing with, means that she needs to go and I¡¯m just sitting under your membership on her in. She needs to change member to Moderator. And then she can specify different options that you can be able to do my adjusting the checkboxes better in that section.

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Re: changing profile

 

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I will and I am also blind so I don¡¯t have to pretend, LOL

Smile

Thank you I will try again

Thanks

sugar

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"Heaven is full of answers to prayers for which no one ever bothered to ask. :

?

Please support me in my journey to another opportunity of life at:

?

Bless you, Sugar Lopez

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Shal Farley
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 3:55 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GMF] changing profile

?

Sugar,

Ok, I am stuck again
I can't even get to see any members

?

You'll have to help us help you. Imagine we're blind and you have to describe everything to us. We sort-of are blind, in that we can't see what you've tried nor what your screen is showing.

?

Please go through my list of steps one by one and tell us what you see and what you click/type.

?

Start with /

?

Is there a list of group names there?

If so, is the group you're talking about in that list?

If so, are there any badges like "Owner" or "Mod" after the group name?

If so, what are they?

?

Shal

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Re: changing profile

 

Sugar,

Ok, I am stuck again
I can't even get to see any members

You'll have to help us help you. Imagine we're blind and you have to describe everything to us. We sort-of are blind, in that we can't see what you've tried nor what your screen is showing.

Please go through my list of steps one by one and tell us what you see and what you click/type.

Start with /

Is there a list of group names there?
If so, is the group you're talking about in that list?
If so, are there any badges like "Owner" or "Mod" after the group name?
If so, what are they?

Shal
Re: changing profile

 

Ok, I am stuck again
I can't even get to see any members

"Heaven is full of answers to prayers for which no one ever bothered to ask.
:


Please support me in my journey to another opportunity of life at:


Bless you, Sugar Lopez

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Sugar Lopez
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 2:46 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GMF] changing profile

Shal
You have been a great help
Thank you
Good to know I went to the right place
sugar


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Re: Hi, new to groups.io, need assistance please

 

Cara,

I have been reading the updates since they began and saw you can send
invites. anyone know how?

I tried putting something on a calendar page, then it was sent to
members.
If you are inviting people to an event then that should be all you need to do. When editing the event, in the Notifications section at the bottom, checking "Send Invite To Group" causes a message to be posted in your group immediately when you click the Add Event button.

What showed up was a button, outlined in grey, within it was a blue
outlined page, with one corner turned down.
Below this was the link invite.ics
Correct. That ICS file is a standard format, members with a compatible personal calendar should be able to import that file to add your event to their calendar.

As the owner of the group I tried in my personal email to open it, and
it would not.
Interesting. Do you have a personal calendar as part of your AOL subscription? If not that could be the problem. Or maybe AOL's calendar doesn't support ICS files. I don't use AOL so I don't know how to advise you.

I believe that other email interfaces, such as Yahoo Mail, Gmail, or even the Thunderbird email client would offer to add the ICS file to your personal calendar.

If you use a calendar that isn't integrated with your email interface you ought to be able to save that ICS file, and then import it in your calendar. Not as simple as just clicking on it, but possibly easier and less error-prone than manually copying the info into your calendar.

Shal
Re: changing profile

 

Shal
You have been a great help
Thank you
Good to know I went to the right place
sugar

"Heaven is full of answers to prayers for which no one ever bothered to ask.
:


Please support me in my journey to another opportunity of life at:


Bless you, Sugar Lopez

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Shal Farley
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 2:10 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GMF] changing profile

Sugar,

> I am or supposed to be a moderator for a group ...

Go to your group list here: /

There will be an "Owner" or "Mod" badge next to any groups you are owner or
mod for. If you have neither badge next to the group name in question then
that group's owner (or a sufficiently permitted mod) will need to promote
you.

If instead of a list of groups that page shows you general info about
Groups.io then you are not logged in. You will need to log in (using the
email address which is registered in the group) and then go back to that
page.

> ... and I am not able to see the directory (read the directory) ...

"Directory"? Do you mean that or do you mean the group's Members list?
You can't use the Directory to remove anyone, so you must mean the Members
list. Go to the group and (if you are at least a moderator) you should see
an "Admin" item in the left column. Click on that to expand the Admin
controls for the group; the Members list is one of the items there.

> ... because it says that I have to change my profile settings?

I can't make any sense of this statement. I'd need to know what page you
were on to have a clue what "it" said that, and what it might have meant.

> So I have. I am currently on owner and mods only and since that does >
not work I am assuming that my owner is having difficulty trying to > make
me moderator.

I'm again at a loss to understand what you're trying to say. But maybe that
will be moot once you go to your group list and check whether you have the
appropriate badge there.

> I have and she has tried to locate Mark and I know with the holidays >
it is a bit crazy.

It doesn't sound to me like this is an issue that needs Mark's attention. I
think you're in the right place.

> So now I need to remove someone and I can't even have the list of >
members shown to me.

Try these steps:

o Use the groups list to verify whether you are a mod or owner.
o Click on the group name in that list to get to the group.
o Click on Admin to open up the Admin links o Click on Members to see the
members list.

At this point the Members page may be showing you the Members list, or the
list of Pending members if there are any. If the button at the top of the
list says "Pending Approval" click on it, and select "Members"
instead.

o Use the Search box to find the member you wish to remove, or
scroll down the list to find the member, if the list isn't too long.
o Click the check box next to the member's name o In the Actions menu at
the bottom of the page select "Remove".

> It just show myself and it says 1 out of 36 but just myself.
>
> Even if I change the profile to group members, still nothing

I don't know what you're looking at there, but I don't think you're using
the word Profile correctly - as that would have to do with your own
subscription, not with admin control over your group.

Shal
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