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Re: aliceposta accounts in hard bounce
On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 12:01 PM, Hank Montgomery wrote:
they are the only service I have ever heard of that shuts off a recipient on a single bounceOn the first bounce, GIO will still try to send bounce probes every 3 days unless it's one of the specifc hard bounces looked for.? That allows for minor disruptions to be corrected and things go back to normal.? (No sense trying to send xx emails to someone until there's an indication that they're not bouncing any more.)? It's only after repeated failures over the course of many days that the person is placed in Bounced status and has to do something to continue receiving messages.? There's a good explanation of the process at /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/9674 Duane -- The official Groups.io user documentation is in the Groups.io Help Center. GMF's Unofficial Help Wiki: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki |
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Re: Yahoo Group Suddenly Comes To Life
I think the old owners of the suddenly active Yahoo group still have ownership rights. What I did with a couple of my old Yahoo groups (that had been moved to io in 2018) was remove all the members except for myself and one moderator. Or the Groups.io transfer agent. Why not just delete the group? Sentimentality? I came close to deleting a couple of them but...I just couldn't do it. LOL
Actually, I believe in never say never. Who knows what may be in store down the road. tommy0421 |
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Re: aliceposta accounts in hard bounce
Unless you have an account on the service in question, they'll ignore you.? That's why the people using it are the ones that need to complain.? They'll eventually realize they're bounced when they don't get any messages from any group.
That's where I find my (paid for) email hosting company to be helpful.? If I get a bounce when SENDING an email, I just notify them that THEIR IP address is being blocked and they can usually take care of the problem.? I think a reputable internet service gets more cooperation from the recipient's email service provider than an individual user can expect to get.? I realize that this puts a burden on the sending email service, but in my case that's part of the service I pay for, and is the best way to handle it.? If enough pressure is put on by respectable email services then maybe the flaws in the spam protection methods like using blacklists (they typically don't just blacklist a single IP address, they blacklist a whole block of addresses at a time) and restricting list services would get corrected.?
But GIO is not an email service provider, it is more like an email list, and many email lists track bounces and stop sending to addresses that exceed a reasonable bounce rate.? But if I understand the GIO process, they are the only service I have ever heard of that shuts off a recipient on a single bounce.? To me this is just adding a bad response on top of a bad situation!? It seems like 2 services fighting each other and the users who were intended recipients, and who did nothing wrong, are the victims. There has to be a better way! IMHO - we need to move toward secure email account registration and tracking as a much better method.? By ONLY accepting email from a registered secure account you could virtually eliminate SPAM.? Yes a burden at first, and inconvenient when you change services, but if the spam problem is averted then there is less reason to be changing accounts as often as your socks!? I would be willing to pay for such service, but it would only be effective when the majority if email users buy-into it, and that isn't likely to happen.? As long as free email is available people will just put up with SPAM - and complain about it. -- K4HM HANK? MONTGOMERY Hank@... |
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Re: aliceposta accounts in hard bounce
On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 08:00 AM, Marina wrote:
as alice.it, aliceposta.it, tim.it, tin.it all belong to Telecom ItaliaIf you can find a user of one of those services that has some extra time (and it seems many of us do right now ;>), you could work with them to try to get this changed.? Maybe the service doesn't realize that GIO is a legitimate group site.? Or they're using a blacklisting service that is way behind. Duane -- The official Groups.io user documentation is in the Groups.io Help Center. GMF's Unofficial Help Wiki: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki |
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Re: Yahoo Group Suddenly Comes To Life
On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 10:05 AM, Tommy Meehan wrote:
On the group's old Yahoo homepage it says the group has been "abandoned in place."That may be because there's no one left that can "shut down" the Y! group.? If there's still an owner, or mod with enough permissions, they may be able to change settings to prevent messages being accepted, as well as reminding folks that the group has moved.? Things have changed a lot, so I'm not sure how much control still remains. Duane -- The official Groups.io user documentation is in the Groups.io Help Center. GMF's Unofficial Help Wiki: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki |
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Re: Redirect on login omits subdomain
On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 09:54 AM, RFS wrote:
This sees like a very obvious bug that would affect the entire platform, but I see no reports of it anywhere in this group. Only this 3 year old bug fix:??If using the send login link function to access a subdomain, the redirect was incorrect after logging you in.Not a setting that I'm aware of.? It does sound like they would be related, so maybe an oversight.? It would probably be best to report this #bug on the with all the details you can come up with, to make it easier to duplicate.? You could also contact [email protected] if you have a premium group. Duane -- The official Groups.io user documentation is in the Groups.io Help Center. GMF's Unofficial Help Wiki: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki |
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Yahoo Group Suddenly Comes To Life
I guess with the ongoing stay-at-home restrictions, many groups have become much busier. I referred to this previously as one of the few bright spots in an otherwise especially bleak time.
A couple times over the past six weeks messages posted in an old Yahoo Group --that was moved to io last November -- suddenly began appearing in my inbox. Apparently a few members had not gotten the word that the group moved six months ago. One of the respondents is someone I know, someone who DID move to the new group and has been fairly active there. I emailed him to ask, 'Why would they be posting the messages in the Yahoo group, do you think they don't know the group moved?" The down side is, there were images attached to some of the messages and those images were not stored by Yahoo. Also, the Yahoo Group is extremely slow while the io group is running about fifteen messages a day. Any members who have not gotten the word on the move are missing all that. To my surprise, at first the gentleman I contacted was baffled as to what I was talking about. It turned out, when he read and replied to the messages he never noticed they were from Yahoo. On the group's old Yahoo homepage it says the group has been "abandoned in place." I'm just a member of this group, and not a very active one (though I enjoy reading the messages), so I'm reluctant to do anything other than to have contacted the man I know. Has anyone else seen anything like this happen? tommy0421 |
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Re: stopping/blocking unwanted invitations
Cal,
I was wondering if there is a way to prevent from getting invites toAs Duane said, no. If these are one-off invites the simplest thing to do is what the invite itself suggests: "If you are not interested ... please ignore this email." The delete button is your one-click solution. If a group is sending you repeat invitations you might write to them asking them to desist. It is possible that they thought you didn't receive the prior invitations. Ultimately if you think it raises to the level of harassment you could raise it to Groups.io as a violation of the Terms of Service. Shal -- Help: /helpcenter More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
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Re: Can't approve a message
Gregg,
Groups says I need to approve and unmoderate the post. When I try toIf you're looking at the message in the Pending list, it needs a check mark in the box before the buttons are enabled. That's bitten me more than a few times. If you've opened the pending message then I've no idea how that could happen. Shal -- Help: /helpcenter More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
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Re: Can't find this member to moderate them
Ken,
Looking at the setup options, one thing I didn't see is how to have itIn the Unmoderate After control select "Not enabled". That means that there is no automatic unmoderation. When you decide the member is worthy, I recommend you set their posting privilege to "Use Group Moderation Setting". That avoids the problem Duane referred to with using the "Override: not moderated". Shal -- Help: /helpcenter More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
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Re: aliceposta accounts in hard bounce
Hank,
Bounce messages are returned to the SENDER, so the sender would haveGroups.io (the sender in this case) does notify the intended recipient by the only means available: a notice when that member visits the Groups.io web site. Other than that it is incumbent on the member to notice that they're not receiving group messages and check in to see what's up. Or up to a generous group moderator to attempt to contact the member via the mods' own email address (which hopefully isn't also blocked). It is possible, especially if aliceposta is bouncing *all* messages from Groups.io that Groups.io's deliverability tracking will raise the alert. If Aliceposta has any means for a postmaster to contact them then it is possible that Groups.io can try to work out the issue with them, as recently happened with comcast. But if aliceposta is rejecting occasional messages based on an RBL (real-time blacklist) then this situation might go unnoticed until the member raises a ruckus with aliceposta's tech support. Shal -- Help: /helpcenter More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
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Re: Photo Albums
#photos
On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 12:55 AM, Ian Binnie wrote:
Is it possible to download the Album as a whole, rather than individual photos?Ian -- Owners (and Moderators with proper permissions) can download all the photos using the "Export Group Data" button at the top of your Settings page. In the resulting zip file, photos will be segregated into individual folders corresponding to the photo albums in your group. See?/helpcenter/ownersmanual/1/exporting-or-downloading-your-group-s-data?for details. No similar function is available to regular Members. Regards, Bruce Check out the new groups.io Help Center?and?groups.io Owners Manual |
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