Hi Shal,

Your email header shows.
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 23:14:25 -0800
Delivery-date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 09:15:41 +0200 [this is correct for South Africa]

A major problem in email timezones is that gmail uses their own timezone, irrespective of where
the email originates. Here is a timestamp in an email from somone just a mile or so away from
me.
Sun, 10 Dec 2017 00:09:21 -0800 (PST)
Delivery-date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 10:10:05 +0200

It can drive one mad.

OK,
Tony

On 10 Dec 2017 at 23:14, Shal Farley wrote about :
Subject : Re: [GMF] timezone in digests

Al,

> The Timezone should be able to be set by the owner

Perhaps we could suggest that a member timezone be one of the settings the
admins (owners/moderators) can make in the Def Sub Settings tab of the
group Settings page.

If the joining member hasn't already set their timezone (in their
account settings) then it could be pre-set from this default member value.

> If I have no control over the individual users Timezone
> Then the messages will be 3 hours off for everyone and
> confuse the posts as to the request and what is the actual
> time and when the request is due

I'm not sure what you mean by "the request", but message content (a time
written in the body of a message) is never adjusted for timezone. So if
you are posting instructions with due dates and times, those won't be
affected.

The member's timezone affects what the member sees on the web site as
times that messages and other content is posted, and events in the group's
calendar. When the member first signed up and logged into the web site
they had the opportunity to set their account timezone. If they're looking
at the group calendar there's a control there to set the member's account
timezone also. So for most members this won't really be an issue.

At one time it was said that on that first log-in the system would
automatically detect the member's timezone and set it accordingly. I can't
easily test that (I'm in US. Pacific time) so I'd be happy to have someone
in another timezone confirm or deny that for me. Note that means the first
log-in of a given email address. If Groups.io has ever seen the email
address before (joining your group or any other) then this does not apply.

However Digests are the exception - members might be email-only,
receiving Digests without having ever logged in to the web site. So to
handle that case having a default timezone set by the group admins may be
beneficial.

Shal

Al,

The Timezone should be able to be set by the owner

Perhaps we could suggest that a member timezone be one of the settings the admins (owners/moderators) can make in the Def Sub Settings tab of the group Settings page.

If the joining member hasn't already set their timezone (in their account settings) then it could be pre-set from this default member value.

If I have no control over the individual users Timezone
Then the messages will be 3 hours off for everyone and
confuse the posts as to the request and what is the actual
time and when the request is due

I'm not sure what you mean by "the request", but message content (a time written in the body of a message) is never adjusted for timezone. So if you are posting instructions with due dates and times, those won't be affected.

The member's timezone affects what the member sees on the web site as times that messages and other content is posted, and events in the group's calendar. When the member first signed up and logged into the web site they had the opportunity to set their account timezone. If they're looking at the group calendar there's a control there to set the member's account timezone also. So for most members this won't really be an issue.

At one time it was said that on that first log-in the system would automatically detect the member's timezone and set it accordingly. I can't easily test that (I'm in US. Pacific time) so I'd be happy to have someone in another timezone confirm or deny that for me. Note that means the first log-in of a given email address. If Groups.io has ever seen the email address before (joining your group or any other) then this does not apply.

However Digests are the exception - members might be email-only, receiving Digests without having ever logged in to the web site. So to handle that case having a default timezone set by the group admins may be beneficial.

Shal

Arno,

Instead of CC'ing everyone when communicating amongst each other ...

You don't need to CC (or better, bcc) everyone individually, just cc the group's +owner address. That will send a copy to all the owners/mods at their email service. I do that when replying to a member from my email. If I reply via the group's web site there's generally a checkbox to bcc all the moderators.

... it would be nice to have a second (folder for) Messages in the
left margin to keep a record accessible to group management only.

As Duane mentioned, many have wished for a page for +owner messages that works much like the group Messages page, but is available to mods and owners only and includes messages sent to and from the +owner address.

As a footnote to that, any messages you send to a member via your own email interface, even if you spoof the From as being the +owner address, won't be received by Groups.io (and therefor won't be in that +owner page) unless you explicitly cc the group's +owner address when you send it.

Shal

On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 02:22 pm, Arno Martens wrote:

Hopefully Mark will be able to add an additional Messages list where all
owner messages would be viewable as a "conversation"

Yes, there are many of us hoping that will be included in the overhaul, along with other requested features.? It will likely require extensive programming work, so no telling when it might happen (especially with the mass migration from Y! lately.)

Duane

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Sun, 10 Dec 2017 11:33:17 -0800, "Duane" <txpigeon@...>, wrote:

Unfortunately, there's currently not a single place to see all the messages.? You have to look at "Frances".? There have been several requests on beta@ to have an overall view and include replies by the owner/moderator that aren't now logged.? There's a major overhaul of the notifications planned, , but only Mark knows the schedule.

Duane

Thank you, Duane

Found "'+owner Messages' page for each member"

but that shows what that person posted to the owners of that group.
Hopefully Mark will be able to add an additional Messages list where all
owner messages would be viewable as a "conversation" as the 'enemy'
calls it.


@"J_Catlady" & "Frances"

There are 6 moderators and 2 owners in that group.
Instead of CC'ing everyone when communicating amongst each other it
would be nice to have a second (folder for) Messages in the left margin
to keep a record accessible to group management only.

Arno

Sun, 10 Dec 2017 11:33:17 -0800, "Duane" <txpigeon@...>, wrote:

Unfortunately, there's currently not a single place to see all the messages.? You have to look at "Frances".? There have been several requests on beta@ to have an overall view and include replies by the owner/moderator that aren't now logged.? There's a major overhaul of the notifications planned, , but only Mark knows the schedule.

Duane

Thank you, Duane

Some times I am even denser than at other times but I cannot find the
"'+owner Messages' page for each member".


@"J_Catlady" & "Frances"

There are 6 moderators and 2 owners in that group.
Instead of CC'ing everyone when communicating amongst each other it
would be nice to have a second (folder for) Messages in the left margin
to keep a record accessible to group management only.

Arno

Jonathan,

It isn't my settings that matter, but those of one of the members of
the group. Is there any way I can check this?

No, the user's timezone is part of their account information, not available to group moderators.

Perhaps a suggestion could be made (in beta@) to include a display of the member's timezone in their subscription page, Membership tab. (available through the Members list). Like their User Name it wouldn't be appropriate to let a group owner or moderator change it, but displaying it might be ok.

Shal

Jonathan,

When I go there it seems to be asking for a password. I don't
recall ever setting any passwords.

You might not have. You can log in by clicking "Email me a link to log in" and never bother to set a password. The emailed link will log you in for 30 days.

How do I find out what this is?

There's no way to find out what your password is. You can set one (or reset it) using the emailed log-in link, as above, or by clicking the "Forgot your password?" link.

So does every member of the list need to set their timezone?

Yes. I thought that the timezone was automatically detected when each user first logs in, or maybe the first time they post. But maybe not. And it wouldn't help a digest user who hasn't logged in or posted yet anyway.

Shal

The initial Account page isn't asking for a password, that's where you would change it if you wanted to.? Yes, each person needs to go to that page, then select Preferences on the left, to set the timezone they're in if it's other than Pacific.? If I remember correctly, this is one of the things that can be set when creating a new account.? The group owner has no control over this.

Duane

Unfortunately, there's currently not a single place to see all the messages.? You have to look at the '+owner Messages' page for each member.? There have been several requests on beta@ to have an overall view and include replies by the owner/moderator that aren't now logged.? There's a major overhaul of the notifications planned, but only Mark knows the schedule.

Duane

It isn't my settings that matter, but those of one of the members of the group. Is there any way I can check this?

Jonathan

Sun, 10 Dec 2017 11:27:53 -0600, "Jonathan Sivier"
<jsivier@...>, wrote:

A subscriber on one of my lists has informed me that everything in
the digest he gets is time stamped PST. Both he and I are in the
Central timezone. I checked on the calendar for the group and it is
marked as Central Time. Is there some other place I need to set the
timezone to have digests work correctly?

Thanks.

Jonathan

Check your account and look at Preferences,
That should be the same as the setting at the very bottom of the
calendar.

Arno

When I go there it seems to be asking for a password. I don't recall ever setting any passwords. How do I find out what this is?

So does every member of the list need to set their timezone?

Jonathan

Matty,
Perhaps this will help.
Each group has a forum of Messages, each message has a Topic (subject).? The left navigation link for Messages will take you to a listing of Messages.
At the top of the Messages display, there is a button (next to the Search button) to select (via drop down list) the following views:

• Messages? - show me each Message sorted by date
• Topics - show me all the Messages grouped (collapsed) by Topic (subject), again by date of most recent activity
• Expanded - show me all the Messages grouped by Topic, but expand them all on the screen.
• Polls - show me Polls

As you noticed, Chats are synchronous, kinda like .? Be nice if this was added to the FAQ page.
Toby

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Hello,

I see that I have set my time zone in my Account - my name in the top right corner.

Frances

Transfer completed - very speedy, thanks Mark. All our files and photos
correctly transferred. But we are a very small group, there was only
20MB or so of them anyway.

Dave

On 9 Dec 2017 at 13:59, Dave Sergeant wrote:

When we transferred a group earlier in the year there was apparently a
bug in the software and the photos didn't move over at first but arrived
a few days later. I had assumed that problem would have been sorted by
now. My second group will be transferring shortly so will see what
happens there.

Dave

A subscriber on one of my lists has informed me that everything in the digest he gets is time stamped PST. Both he and I are in the Central timezone. I checked on the calendar for the group and it is marked as Central Time. Is there some other place I need to set the timezone to have digests work correctly?

Thanks.

Jonathan