About "start a new topic" - we spent quite some time figuring out how to merge threads. I am not sure that we want to encourage people to start a new thread when they really want to reply to the current message. Frances
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Alright.??You answered pretty much all and more!
Thank you Shal!
From: Shal Farley <shals2nd@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 7:57 PM
Subject: Re: [GMF] Top Poster
Vickie, > I don't care to have members ID's visible on the group front page > after all what is the point of private to mod only the members list. What's shown is the member's Display Name (a nickname he/she can set in his/her profile), or if they haven't set a Display Name the user name part of their email address. One or the other will be visible on their messages as well. That said, it might make sense to hide from members the Top Poster section of the home page if the group's Members list is hidden from members. Or maybe that should be a separate control. > Any advise? Suggest it on beta@. I'd include "#homepage #members #suggestions" in the Subject line. -- Shal
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This is interesting to me, because my group on Y! is almost completely email. It was so difficult to get a Y! account, then log in with it (ignoring your own personal email), then post, that they have 99.99% of the time simply started a new topic simply by sending a new email with a new subject line.?
I suspect my biggest problem will be getting the group email address replaced in their address books!
Marcy
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Received: 12:39 PM CST, 01/27/2016
From: "Daddy Dean" <daddydean1@...>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GMF] How to guide for groups.io
Hi,
Yes I think for many of us who own groups it is instinctive to just that, but for members who are computer challenged, they are not understanding that.? Since all on my group came from Yahoo they are use to that footer which had Start New Topic.? They are not able to think that group home, then post to start a new topic, so they are getting frustrated as they just do not know what to do.? I had member who could not understand why she could not attach a photo.? In my group attaching and embedding are disabled as we want members to make album where things can easily found later.? I was not aware that those on Yahoo who sent a photo in an email a copy was not in albums, those were in Photomatic which I had not even thought to move.?
What I like and think Donna is saying the same just something very simple but would tell you how to post from an email.? How to make photo album and such as there still some who are just getting computers and every thing we take for granted is mysterious to them.? Even those who have had computers but only use to Yahoo are are at lost as to how to do some simple things.
Dean
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Hi,
Yes I think for many of us who own groups it is instinctive to just that, but for members who are computer challenged, they are not understanding that.? Since all on my group came from Yahoo they are use to that footer which had Start New Topic.? They are not able to think that group home, then post to start a new topic, so they are getting frustrated as they just do not know what to do.? I had member who could not understand why she could not attach a photo.? In my group attaching and embedding are disabled as we want members to make album where things can easily found later.? I was not aware that those on Yahoo who sent a photo in an email a copy was not in albums, those were in Photomatic which I had not even thought to move.?
What I like and think Donna is saying the same just something very simple but would tell you how to post from an email.? How to make photo album and such as there still some who are just getting computers and every thing we take for granted is mysterious to them.? Even those who have had computers but only use to Yahoo are are at lost as to how to do some simple things.
Dean
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Dean, While I have found groups.io to be easy to use, some of my older group
members seem to think they are now in alien world, lost and with out
hope. Is there a simple" how to use.io guide" I could send out to
members? I did look but did not see one as I have things for IO that I
have been able to copy and paste to send to members. GMF's wiki could be a place to keep such information. If you find good information you could add a link to it in the Wiki, or if you've written good information please consider contributing to the wiki. I've made a couple of starts there, but neither page is complete. GMF's wiki has public visibility, meaning that you can point your members there without them needing to join GMF. If you are contributing to the wiki remember not to put any private information there. Editing Wiki pages is pretty easy - the edit tool is very similar (or identical) to the message editor used to create posts and replies. Creating a new page and linking to it from the home page could be easier, but it isn't too difficult. If you need help with the process let me know. Note that all revisions to Wiki pages are kept and can be compared. Just as edited posts can. Each revision shows who made the revision and when. Do you think asking Mark to add a Start a New Topic into the footer of
emails would be possible? It could be right after Group Home and I
think would make things easier for some who are not good with computers
to start with being more comfortable. Sure. Ask in beta@ - I recommend including the hashtags "#messages #suggestions" in the subject. -- Shal
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Re: Can a Yahoo Group be transferred without the member list?
Robert, I don't see subgroup in the menus of GMF or your test group (I don't yet
have my own group). You don't because in both groups the option is set to "Owners Only" - I think that's the default. In my test group you're a moderator with the privilege to change group settings, so if you'd like to play with subgroups feel free to change the option to "Moderators and Owners" or "Subscribers". -- Shal
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Re: Can a Yahoo Group be transferred without the member list?
You'll only see the option if you have permission to use it. Once you own a group, or have the correct permissions as a moderator, it will show up.
Duane
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Re: Can a Yahoo Group be transferred without the member list?
On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 05:59 pm, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:
Yes, a group may have one or more subgroups.
Group owners can use the +Subgroup page (in the list at the left) to
create new subgroups. Mods or members may be able to also, depending on
the "Create Sub Groups" option on the group's Settings page.
?Shal, I don't see subgroup in the menus of GMF or your test group (I don't yet have my own group). Robert
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Hi Dean,
?
I get indivdual messages from the GMF group.? If I wanted to start a new post for this group, or any group, I would click on the link at the bottom of the message called Group Home.? When that page loaded, I would click on Post from the menu on the left side of the page.? When the message form opens, then I would just write my message.
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That part is pretty easy to do; but, I agree, it could be helpful to have a Help section.?
?
Donna
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Re: reply to sender/group
No objection to you having the ability to eliminate the "Reply to Sender"
Button on the web interface.??? My only concern is that this
needs to be a separate choice from simply setting the Reply to Group as the
default.? Your original comments seemed to be wanting the Reply to Sender
button disabled when you set the reply default to group -- THAT isn't acceptable
-- but having a separate choice to disable/eliminate the button is a good
idea.
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Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2016 11:27 AM ?
I dont quite understand anyone being against a group
owner having the option to eliminate, for members, the Reply to Sender
button.? Those owners that dont want to use such a option, neednt do
so.? It needed affect any that dont want to use such a feature.??
Its really no different than the idea that you can set your group to Moderate or
Not Moderate new messages.? Its about having the choice.? Freedom of
choice, for the group owner, is the issue in this discussion.?? Yahoo
doesnt have the Reply to Sender choice, yet one can certainly PM
people.?? In this specific case, Yahoo has it over IO groups,
IMO.??? I can see tho, that most dont feel the same way that I do
so it will be probably a fruitless battle to suggest it in
Beta.??? Perhaps not many people have been the recipient of as
many misdirected "Reply to Sender" messages as I have, which I then have to
forward to the group.??
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I agree that how-to's and comprehensive help pages would be very useful
On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 3:15 AM, Daddy Dean <daddydean1@...> wrote: Hi Forum,While I have found to be easy to use, some of my older group members seem to think they are now in alien world, lost and with out hope.? Is there a simple" how to guide" I could send out to members?? I did look but did not see one as I have things for IO that I have been able to copy and paste to send to members.? Tonight one could not figure how to start a new post so piggy backed off another person post. Least they made a post and got it out to the group but still.? I knew some would be a little disoriented, but not being able to figure how to start a new message in IO is beyond anything I would have guessed they could not figure out.? I can only guess they are so use to Yahoo where at the bottom of email message they had:?They are just lost with out the choice of starting a new topic as a footer on each email message.? They do not understand that if want to start? new topic from an email they simply need just to click group home and then post.? To add to some of this confusion some are using their new phones and tablets they really do not understand either.? So it is a double whammy to the learning curve. ? Do you think asking Mark to add a Start a New Topic into the footer of emails would be possible?? It could be right after Group Home and I think would make things easier for some who are not good with computers to start with being more comfortable.Thanks,Dean
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Vickie, I don't care to have members ID's visible on the group front page
after all what is the point of private to mod only the members list. What's shown is the member's Display Name (a nickname he/she can set in his/her profile), or if they haven't set a Display Name the user name part of their email address. One or the other will be visible on their messages as well. That said, it might make sense to hide from members the Top Poster section of the home page if the group's Members list is hidden from members. Or maybe that should be a separate control. Any advise? Suggest it on beta@. I'd include "#homepage #members #suggestions" in the Subject line. -- Shal
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Re: Why are some post maked via Groups.io
Dean, On my group some see that post have via Groups.io attached to their
emails. Why is this only on some emails and not all. It's the DMARC thing. Some email services attempt to prevent delivery of messages from their users if the message did not come directly from one of their servers.[1] It is supposed to prevent spoofing (and phishing and other forms of fraud). So for users of those services you will see From: user via Groups.io <user=yahoo.com @ groups.io> instead of the usual From: Display Name <user @ example.com> Modifying the email From address in this way side-steps the email service's instructions to reject messages that claim to have come from their service but didn't arrive directly (e.g. came via a list). I know one member post twice, once post from with in the group
itself, and one wasa reply sent through her email account she where
she replied. Yet both has the via Groups.io Hmm... That modification might not have been needed when posting using the group's pages. Not sure about that. Another member who post should show
hername@... are coming as
hername-aol.com@... Then it looks like AOL is a service that has set a "reject" policy for messages that pass through email lists. Yahoo Mail is also such a service, there may be others. You may have noticed that Yahoo Groups does a similar modification, but they do it to all members' addresses, not just the ones that need it. -- Shal 1: It is more complicated than that, but that's close enough for our purposes.
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Re: Can a Yahoo Group be transferred without the member list?
You can create (and delete) your own subgroups. If you're the owner (or moderator with the correct permissions) you'll see an item in the left menu of your group named Subgroup with a plus sign to the left of it. Click on that and you're on your way!
Duane
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Hi Forum,While I have found groups.io to be easy to use, some of my older group members seem to think they are now in alien world, lost and with out hope.? Is there a simple" how to use.io guide" I could send out to members?? I did look but did not see one as I have things for IO that I have been able to copy and paste to send to members.? Tonight one could not figure how to start a new post so piggy backed off another person post. Least they made a post and got it out to the group but still.? I knew some would be a little disoriented, but not being able to figure how to start a new message in IO is beyond anything I would have guessed they could not figure out.? I can only guess they are so use to Yahoo where at the bottom of email message they had:?Reply via web post
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Reply to sender
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Reply to group
?
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(5)They are just lost with out the choice of starting a new topic as a footer on each email message.? They do not understand that if want to start? new topic from an email they simply need just to click group home and then post.? To add to some of this confusion some are using their new phones and tablets they really do not understand either.? So it is a double whammy to the learning curve. ? Do you think asking Mark to add a Start a New Topic into the footer of emails would be possible?? It could be right after Group Home and I think would make things easier for some who are not good with computers to start with being more comfortable.Thanks,Dean
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Re: Can a Yahoo Group be transferred without the member list?
Robert, Ah I don't know about sub-groups! Is this something that has to be
created within a group you create on Groups.io, Yes, a group may have one or more subgroups. Group owners can use the +Subgroup page (in the list at the left) to create new subgroups. Mods or members may be able to also, depending on the "Create Sub Groups" option on the group's Settings page. and as a special request? Yes, at Step 2 in the Easy Group Transfer process, when you send the "go ahead" email to transfer @ groups.io be sure to name the subgroup as the destination for the messages, and let them know that you do not want the members transferred. -- Shal
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Why are some post maked via Groups.io
Hi Forum, I have some members asking me questions, and I do not have the answer so I coming to you for help.? On my group some see that post have via Groups.io attached to their emails.? Why is this only on some emails and not all.? I know one member post twice, once post from with in the group itself, and one wasa? reply sent through her email account she where she replied.? Yet both has the via Groups.io Another member who post should show hername@... are coming as hername-aol.com@...
Thanks, Dean
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Re: Can a Yahoo Group be transferred without the member list?
On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 05:08 pm, Feathered Leader <featheredleader@...> wrote:
I had my archives transferred to a subgroup without the membership, so
yes it can be done. You have to copy your own files and links/database
yourself though and manually move it.
?Ah I don't know about sub-groups! Is this something that has to be created within a group you create on Groups.io, and as a special request? Robert
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Shal ? >>>On the plus side, a visitor (non-member) can only see those if the group?
has public archives. ?Would that apply to Top poster also??
I don't care to have members ID's visible on the group front page after all what is the point of private to mod only the members list.
Plus I don't want my members feeling as if one member is more popular than the? other or categorized as the big mouth of the group..lol
?I have a private group.? Private is private and I would like the choice to turn these options off. Any advise?
Vickie
From: Shal Farley <shals2nd@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 10:21 PM
Subject: Re: [GMF] Top Poster
Vickie,
> Is there an option to turn off on the group front page Top Poster and
> also hashtag?
I don't think so.
On the plus side, a visitor (non-member) can only see those if the group
has public archives.
-- Shal
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Vickie, Is there an option to turn off on the group front page Top Poster and
also hashtag? I don't think so. On the plus side, a visitor (non-member) can only see those if the group has public archives. -- Shal
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