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On Sun, Nov 18, 2018 at 06:55 PM, Keith Hookham wrote:

Do you think that the best option for me would be to press the delete transfer request button? And if so do I have to get transfer @ io to be invited again? Or do I just leave that bit? I am really at a lose now on what to do. I am getting really disillusioned with it all.

I don't know what happens if two people work at cross purposes to try to achieve the same transfer objective. It could be that the two of you have separate transfers underway and that is causing gridlock of some kind.

I suggest that you go to the transfer page and click on the "In Process" menu. Select the group you are attempting to transfer. On the ensuing page, delete the transfer.

Now instruct the other owner of your shared groups.io group on how to do the same. Finally, delete the transfer agent's subscription from the Yahoo group and start over.

Cleaning up someone else's mess is always difficult. If the two of you can collaborate to create a clean slate and start over, perhaps things will work better.?

Or just send a message to [email protected]?and ask Mark what's going on.

Good luck,
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Do you think that the best option for me would be to press the delete transfer request button? And if so do I have to get transfer @ io to be invited again? Or do I just leave that bit? I am really at a lose now on what to do. I am getting really disillusioned with it all.

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Trista,

I made "[email protected]" a member of my group on Feb 22. By 18
March nothing had happened ...

Made how?

Yahoo Groups no longer has a Direct Add feature, so as far as I know you can only invite that address, it is then up to Groups.io (Mark) to accept the invitation. Which won't happen unless you completed Step 1 of the instructions before sending the invitation.

However, the yahoo group had a lot of photos and things on it which I
don't have time to transfer manually and don't want to lose. ...
ideally I'd still like to get the stuff transferred from yahoo to io.
Is there any possibility of this being done, ...

To confirm what Bruce said, you can set up a new transfer from your Yahoo Group to your Groups.io group. When you set it up there are checkboxes so you can choose what to copy (Members, Messages, Files, Photos...).

Before setting up the new transfer have a look at the In Process list at the bottom of the instructions page. If your Yahoo Group is listed there that means your prior transfer attempt is stalled there. You are probably best opening that one and using the red Delete Transfer Request button to clear it out.

Note: this list will only show the prior attempt if you are logged in with the same email address that made the prior attempt. Transfer requests in process and completed are only shown to the owner who initiated the transfer, they are not shown to any other owners of the Groups.io group.

Also before setting up the new transfer you may be best off removing the transfer agent from your Yahoo Group. Then send a new invitation after you click "Start Group Transfer Process" on the set up page (Step 2 of instructions).

... or would it mean losing what we now have on the io group?

I'm fairly certain nothing in your Groups.io group would be overwritten or lost.

If you copy the members, any address that is already in your Groups.io group will be skipped.

If you copy the messages, the Y!Group messages will get new message numbers (sequentially from your Groups.io group's current highest message number) but will retain their original posting dates and will sort into your Groups.io group's Messages list by posting date.

Likewise for Photos, Files, Links, and Databases I think. I'm not actually sure what happens if the same exact name already exists in your Groups.io group. The transfer agent may put the transfer on hold and ask you what to do, more likely it would skip those items; but I don't expect that it would overwrite anything.

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Bruce commented:
"Did you invite the transfer agent to join your Yahoo group? The transfer agent will not join without being invited."


I am always cautious about absolutes because they too often come back to make us look silly.

With one transfer I worked on, back when Y! was being so glitchy, and before the masses of groups started transferring, we just weren't able to get Y! to send out an invitation, even with numerous tries. Note that this was before the formal procedure in place now. We were working with Mark to resolve the problem and I suggested that Transfer actually request a membership, which *did* work. After it went through, the transfer completed pretty much normally.

The system is not designed to work that way, but Mark has the ability to work around problems individually if his workload isn't oppressively heavy. There is a reason he prefers the system now, and I'm not suggesting going around the system for most cases, but this isn't Y! where we're working in a vacuum with no support from the operations side.

Dano

Cathy,

I have tested this and no errors. I tested adding someone else in
Yahoo Groups and even though I accepted the invitation, that user does
not appear either.

You accepted the invitation? That's a little confusing, do you mean your test "someone" accepted the invitation?

another thought, i am an owner in this group in groups.io but the
group was created by someone else, would that matter?

Nothing about your Groups.io group would have any effect on how invitations work in your Yahoo group, so this question seems confused, or confusing.

I just tested an invitation in my Yahoo test group, it worked without a hitch. It generated the expected Activity Log entries, in the Membership tab:

Nov 18 3:05 PM, shalf@..., Joined group via email
Nov 18 3:00 PM, Shalf@..., Invited to join by shalfarley <...> via web

Shal


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I have tested this and no errors. I tested adding someone else in Yahoo Groups and even though I accepted the invitation, that user does not appear either.

another thought, i am an owner in this group in groups.io but the group was created by someone else, would that matter?

thanks!
cathy

I've just transferred the last of four Yahoo groups that I own. All the transfers were quick and accurate.
Thanks to Mark and his team for a very efficient service.
regards,
Ian
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Yes I did. However I only did it because the dropdown list had nothing shown. So can you please advise me how to proceed?

Keith,

The only thing I can think of now is that it will not work because I
am not the owner of the yahoo group?

It doesn't matter who handles the Y!Group side. The only requirement is that they have the moderator privileges to invite and promote the transfer address, or be an owner.

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Bruce,

Again, I think you're logged in under the wrong email address. I'm
frankly confused as to how you managed to get to this page at all, if
you weren't able to pull down the group name from the In Process menu.

I think the path may have been through clicking "Set Up New Transfer" on the instructions page (which Keith says he did), and then "Start Group Transfer Process" on that page (which I'm inferring he did, to get to the page he screenshot).

Keith: please confirm or correct my impression.

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Keith,

I go to the in progress button and click and there is now no drop down
list even though I am the owner on groups.io????

You have to be logged in using the same email address as when you initiated the transfer.

Did you (I can't tell from the screenshot) click on the arrows at the right of the list to open it?

So I go to the set up transfer button and get to the following page.

Clicking the Set Up New Transfer button again sets up a new transfer. It is not the way to find out about a transfer you have already set up.

I have clicked on the green button as I want to go the go ahead for
the transfer and nothing happens. It just keeps coming back to the
same screen.

I believe you're looking at the In Process page for the new transfer. But it is possible that the system has merged the two requests if they were for the same Y!Group and Groups.io group. Either way, that page
typically has a box at the top to tell you what's up.

So is there a problem? Have I done something wrong?

Maybe. You may have set up another transfer for the same pair of groups. I've no idea how that might be handled, or if it has led you into a blind alley.

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Transfer at groups io is definitely a member on the yahoo group and is a moderator. I am now an owner of both the yahoo and io group. The email address is the same for both groups. Yet after pressing the Give Go Ahead to Transfer green button all I get is after the egg timer goes around a few times it takes me back to exactly the very same page.
So I am currently stumped.?

The only thing I can think of now is that it will not work because I am not the owner of the yahoo group? I am an owner of the io group though. Could this be it?

If you are not the owner of the Yahoo group, who promoted the transfer agent to a Moderator?

I have transferred a couple groups without being the owner. The person initiating has to be a moderator with all privileges, but doesn't need to be the owner.

Please DO confirm that you invited the transfer agent to your *yahoo* group. This is, unfortunately, a common misunderstanding. The transfer agent already has access to your groups.io group, but it needs access to your yahoo group to copy all the data to be moved.

Dano

On Sun, Nov 18, 2018 at 12:15 PM, Trista Selous wrote:

Back in February I went through the process of trying to transfer a group from yahoo. I made "[email protected]" a member of my group on Feb 22. By 18 March nothing had happened and, as the io group had been set up and was for 20 people I knew well, I asked them all to join individually. They did and the group has been working fine on io ever since.

It sounds like you may have invited the transfer agent to your groups.io group. You have to invite the agent to your Yahoo group. See??

However, the yahoo group had a lot of photos and things on it which I don't have time to transfer manually and don't want to lose. I have in fact transfered a few things manually, but ideally I'd still like to get the stuff transferred from yahoo to io. Is there any possibility of this being done, or would it mean losing what we now have on the io group?

This can be done. I don't believe anything will be overwritten. See?/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Transfer-from-Yahoo-Groups#Incomplete-transfer?

Be sure to UNcheck the box for "Transfer Members," along with any other group areas that you don't want to come over.

Hope this helps,
Bruce

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On Sun, Nov 18, 2018 at 12:15 PM, Keith Hookham wrote:

Not sure what you mean by email as I have the same email for both. yahoo and io groups.

If you have ever accessed groups.io with a given email address, it has an account. Each email address has its own account.?

Please do as previously requested...visit the group you are transferring into and let us know whether the "owner" badge is present at top left.

The only thing I can think of now is that it will not work because I am not the owner of the yahoo group? I am an owner of the io group though. Could this be it?

If you are not the owner of the Yahoo group, who promoted the transfer agent to a Moderator?

See?/g/GroupManagersForum/message/8697?for detailed directions. If you've done anything out of order it may be necessary to delete the transfer and start over.

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Back in February I went through the process of trying to transfer a group from yahoo. I made "[email protected]" a member of my group on Feb 22. By 18 March nothing had happened and, as the io group had been set up and was for 20 people I knew well, I asked them all to join individually. They did and the group has been working fine on io ever since. However, the yahoo group had a lot of photos and things on it which I don't have time to transfer manually and don't want to lose. I have in fact transfered a few things manually, but ideally I'd still like to get the stuff transferred from yahoo to io. Is there any possibility of this being done, or would it mean losing what we now have on the io group?

Not sure what you mean by email as I have the same email for both. yahoo and io groups. The only thing I can think of now is that it will not work because I am not the owner of the yahoo group? I am an owner of the io group though. Could this be it?

Regards?

On Sun, Nov 18, 2018 at 10:49 AM, Keith Hookham wrote:

So [email protected] is now a moderator on our Yahoogroups. I go to the in progress button and click and there is now no drop down list even though I am the owner on groups.io????

Browse to your actual group on groups.io (https:/groups.io/g/GROUPNAME). Is there a blue "owner" badge next to the Home button at top left? If not, you are logged in under an email address that is not the owner of the group. Log out and then log back in using the correct address.

So I go to the set up transfer button and get to the following page.


I have clicked on the green button as I want to go the go ahead for the transfer and nothing happens. It just keeps coming back to the same screen. So is there a problem? Have I done something wrong? Is it a server issue??

Again, I think you're logged in under the wrong email address. I'm frankly confused as to how you managed to get to this page at all, if you weren't able to pull down the group name from the In Process menu. Perhaps you bookmarked it during a previous session? Or maybe you are transferring more than one group, using different email addresses to do so?

I hope this helps, but frankly I'm a little confused, too, especially with the screenshots cropped as they are. I'm sure it's something simple and we'll get it figured out soon.
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So [email protected] is now a moderator on our Yahoogroups. I go to the in progress button and click and there is now no drop down list even though I am the owner on groups.io????






So I go to the set up transfer button and get to the following page.


I have clicked on the green button as I want to go the go ahead for the transfer and nothing happens. It just keeps coming back to the same screen. So is there a problem? Have I done something wrong? Is it a server issue??
Any help please?
Regards Keith

Hi all,

This week's change log:



Feel free to reply to this topic if you'd like to comment on the
changes. Or better yet, if you expect a lot of discussion start a new
topic (or rejoin an existing one) about a specific change.

If there's anyone here who uses the API please identify and comment on any API-related changes that would be significant to API users. I don't and wouldn't know what to comment on.

NEW: We extend expiration of the login cookie each time a person
accesses the site.

After some discussion here in GMF about the 30-day expiration of Groups.io's login cookie and Jim's suggestion that it be extended on
each visit, I decided that the only advantage of the status quo was its brute simplicity. So I posted his suggestion to beta. /g/GroupManagersForum/topic/27769196
/g/GroupManagersForum/topic/27315749

NEW: We have a new, non-expiring cookie that we use to determine when
someone has previously been logged in, but whose cookie is now
expired. In that case, we redirect the user to the login page, with
a banner explaining that their login has expired.

This was originally proposed as an alternative to extending the cookie. I'm glad to see it implemented also as it will help people who visit the site rarely enough to have the login expire.

BUGFIX: Topic/Message filter by custom date range didn't work if your
date format preference was other than MM/DD/YYYY.

Channeling Maui again, "You're welcome!"

Fixing this introduced another bug which caused dates to not be
shown in the Topics screen.

Err, except for that.


Comments about these others are also welcome:

INTERNAL: In some situations we were not deleting all S3 data
associated with a group when the group was deleted.
CHANGE: Text changes to the Yahoo Transfer screens to make things more
clear - thanks Shal.

"You're welcome!"



Please call out any you find significant.

Shal


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