Re: Uggh and I was Liking Groups.io

#10532

Well I'm very surprised to see that also.? However, Mark Fletcher owns groups.io (as far as I know) and if he wishes to offer discounts or deals, it's his right to do so.
This message is only on the pricing page it seems so it's unlikely that members will ever see it.

Re: Uggh and I was Liking Groups.io

Dan Hartford

#10531

At the risk of getting flamed and being called names, here are my thoughts on the question raised in this post.?

In today's world, politics cannot be separated from everyday business.? Seniors get discounts in many businesses as do clergy or uniformed police and military,. Certain classes of organizations don't have to pay taxes, etc.? In recent years, the Supreme court has decided that establishing business practices that favor or disfavor groups of people based on the owner's set of beliefs is valid and is a form of free speech? For example who can and can't order a wedding cake at a bakery or what medical services and products are or or are not covered in employee health plans..?

However, I'm divided on my opinion as to whether or not businesses? should or should not exercise that "right".? On one side, it really smacks of discrimination to say "you can buy my product but you can't".? Or, you get a discount and you don't.? ?More so when you have no control over the metric being used (e.g., skin color, race, nationality, gender, etc.) and less so when you do have a choice (profession, choice of clothing, hair color, political viewpoint, etc).? ?But on the other hand, one could argue that part of living in a village is to look after those who need it (discounts for seniors, or a free meal for a homeless person) or to offer benefits as a way to say "thank you" to a group of people (e.g., discounts for military or police).? So, with the Groups.IO question, one side of me says "Slippery Slope" and not a good idea, and the other side says "very good to support a cause you believe in".? ?

All things considered though,? I think I'm okay with the discount on Groups.IO.? ?And, perhaps it should be extended to Charities and Environmental Protection groups as well.??

Re: re time for emails to arrive

#10530

This message discusses a tool to analyze headers to see delivery delays.? Might be useful to study delayed emails.
Toby

clarification on direct add feature

Alan Robbins

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Hello,

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I recently joined this forum and wanted to share an experience to see if it has worked differently with other owners.

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I recently moved a group over to Groups. IO and decided to give the direct add a try. I paid for the one month premium service at the cost of $10. I submitted over 350 legitimate email address and once approved got a message that 181 had gotten added. The remainder I had to send a link for them to subscribe, which is exactly what I was trying to avoid. .

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Couple of questions for you more seasoned/experienced owners/moderators:

1. Is there a wait period to have them approved? If so, why and how long?

2. Will all addresses be added or will I run into a similar situation? In other words, is there a limit of direct adds? If so, can I submit in batches?

3. On the group I just used direct addon, I simply cut and pasted the addresses into the edit field, each one on a separate line. Would it be better to upload a .txt file with each address on a separate line?

Look forward to responses.

Best,

Al

Re: re time for emails to arrive

#10528

Win,

Shal, here are the Return paths for the 2 emails I mention which had been delayed 23 minutes.

?I don't need the Return-Path or Delivered-To fields, but ?I do need more of the Received fields. The three you included were all internal to your ISP and did not show any delay.

I hope this is helpful. If there is something else you need, just ask...

?I still anticipate that the delay will be found in the hop from Groups.io to your ISP; which won't really tell us why. But it is still worth looking because we could get a surprise and find the delay at a hop internal to either Groups.io or your ISP.

Shal?

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Re: Uggh and I was Liking Groups.io

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While I [redacted] with the posted sentiment of that statement on the pricing page, I have never allowed any political opinions to be posted in my group, and I would never put a politically inflammatory statement on any page of my group. Somethings need to be kept neutral, and I’m very surprised that Mark does not understand that. Is nothing sacred anymore!

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of ~mary~
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2018 7:39 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [GMF] Uggh and I was Liking Groups.io

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Someone saw this on the Groups.io page.? ?

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"Groups.io has several tiers of service.? They have ?free tier but then they have paid tiers too.

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/static/pricing

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Oh, and at the top of that page: "Is your group associated with Indivisible ()? Is you group dedicated to countering the Trump administration's immoral immigration policies? Please contact support, and we will upgrade your group to Premium for free."

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.... Now what is the other choice for Groups?? Why did they have to get Political????

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Re: re time for emails to arrive

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Shal, here are the Return paths for the 2 emails I mention which had been delayed 23 minutes. I know in the scheme of things that isn't very long and is by no means the longest delay, but I found these 2 quickly... and when I mostly receive replies instantly, these are anomalies .
I hope this is helpful. If there is something else you need, just ask... if it s a bit technical, you may need to explain how to do it... lol..
many thanks
Win

First email...

Return-Path: <[email protected]>

Delivered-To: <del13piero@[ISP]>

Received: from [ISP] ([10.2.56.2])

??? by [ISP] with LMTP id 51K9C050Ulv+UgAA8CYk5A

??? for <del13piero@[ISP]>; Sat, 21 Jul 2018 00:56:02 +0000

Received: from [ISP] ([10.2.56.2])

??? by [ISP] with LMTP id +EGLNmiCUlvJOwAAk2BOMQ

??? ; Sat, 21 Jul 2018 00:56:02 +0000

Received: from [ISP]

??? by [ISP] (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D1CB1A0002

??? for <del13piero@[ISP]>; Sat, 21 Jul 2018 00:56:02 +0000 (UTC)
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Second email

Return-Path: <[email protected]>

Delivered-To: <del13piero@[ISP]>

Received: from [ISP] ([10.2.56.7])

??? by [ISP] with LMTP id kwjdNzZiVVu/BwAA8CYk5A

??? for <del13piero@[ISP]>; Mon, 23 Jul 2018 05:08:20 +0000

Received: from [ISP] ([10.2.56.7])

??? by [ISP] with LMTP id i6WbJ/lTVVvuMwAAk2BOMQ

??? ; Mon, 23 Jul 2018 05:08:20 +0000

Received: from[ISP]by [ISP] (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F5FC1E0018

??? for <del13piero@[ISP]>; Mon, 23 Jul 2018 05:08:20 +0000 (UTC)

[ISP domain redacted by moderator for privacy]

Re: re time for emails to arrive

#10525

Shal, thanks for your reply.
I am answering this from the group home page because your message has never come in to my InBox at all, nor my webmail, and it is? over 5? hours since your reply landed on the group. I had to check on the group because I was wondering if my message had ever arrived there.
In answer to your questions...?
1... Some emails I send TO the group never arrive at all...

?Your reply...If you mean that they do not post to the group's?Messages?page have a look in the group's?Activity?log to see if they are listed as "attempted to send" (meaning that the message was rejected).?
My reply... No, there was not anything listed in the activity log about the specific email.

2... Some emails (not necessarily from me) arrive on the group home page, but never get delivered to me.

Your reply... ?Go to the?Subscription?page while visiting the group (or click on your row in the group's??Members?list) and click onto the?Email Delivery History?tab. See if anything in the?Recent Bounces?section lines up with the missing messages.
My reply... No, nothing at all in the recent bounces
3... They took 20 minutes to arrive back in WebMail and from there to my InBox.

?Your reply... That sounds like your ISP is??messages from Groups.io.? That's a (dubious in my opinion) anti-spam technique.

The Received fields in one of the delayed messages would in that case show that the delay is at the hop between Groups.io's outbound server and your ISP's inbound server.
My reply... I have taken details of 2 separate emails which arrived but both had been delayed 23 minutes... each email is from different days do it isn't a glitch at one particular time.. I have copied the Return Path of both and will send them in a different email... would you please take a look and see if you can find out what is happening??
Tomorrow (11.23 PM now) I will contact the ISP again and ask about Greylisting.
If I don't get a satisfactory answer, I will do as you suggest and report it to Mark and see if he can resolve it... What details will he require? He won't want to phone them because we are in Australia, so will the website URL be sufficient?

It is now exactly 5? hours since your reply and still nothing in webmail or In Box.

Thanks
Win

Re: re time for emails to arrive

#10524

Win,

1... Some emails I send TO the group never arrive at all...

?If you mean that they do not post to the group's Messages page have a look in the group's Activity log to see if they are listed as "attempted to send" (meaning that the message was rejected).

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2... Some emails (not necessarily from me) arrive on the group home page, but never get delivered to me.

?Go to the Subscription page while visiting the group (or click on your row in the group's? Members list) and click onto the Email Delivery History tab. See if anything in the Recent Bounces section lines up with the missing messages.

?They took 20 minutes to arrive back in WebMail and from there to my InBox.

?That sounds like your ISP is messages from Groups.io.? That's a (dubious in my opinion) anti-spam technique.

The Received fields in one of the delayed messages would in that case show that the delay is at the hop between Groups.io's outbound server and your ISP's inbound server.

My ISP insists they are not blocking messages.. and that has to be correct because I can post and receive properly, most of the time.

?It may be technically true that they aren't blocking Messages from Groups.io, but it does sound like they are deferring them.

Could you please let me know if there is something I can do to solve this problem ?

?See this related topic, start at message #10318.

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Go back to your ISP and ask if there's a way to whitelist all messages from Groups.io as a sender, or to remove it from greylisting.

The other option is to report it to [email protected] along with contact info for your ISP to see if Mark can convince them to "play nice" with Groups.io.

Shal?

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Re: Uggh and I was Liking Groups.io

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mary,

.... Now what is the other choice for Groups?? Why did they have to get Political????

I had seen that in a tweet some weeks ago, but I didn't know it had crept into the site. ?I'm not thrilled about seeing politics injected into what I think should be a neutral, or "safe place," that is welcoming to all. I think a service like Groups.io should thrive or not on its own merits; I hope it doesn't cost him too much business.

It is an old saying: having the right to do something does not automatically make it the right thing to do.

GMF is not a political forum and I'm not going to approve political debate here; please keep your own politics out of your postings. Note that no one from Groups.io is a member of GMF so if you wish to express your feelings about that offer to Groups.io best to do so directly.

Shal

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I am having LOTS of trouble with emails to and from my own group. I am using Windows Live Mail 2012.

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1... Some emails I send TO the group never arrive at all... yet if I try sending the exact same message 5 or 6 hours later, it will come in to the group (and delivered to me via WLM) within 60 seconds... and in that 5 or 6 hours I am receiving other group mail.... and the original message is still somewhere in cyberspace 5 days later.

2... Some emails (not necessarily from me) arrive on the group home page, but never get delivered to me.

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My ISP’s tech support has just asked me to send exactly the same message to the group, one from WLM and the other from my ISP’s webmail.. both arrived on the group within 60 seconds... yet weren’t delivered back to my webmail or to my InBox 15 minutes later. I would have thought that it would get back to my webmail immediately. It appears to be held up on the group. They took 20 minutes to arrive back in WebMail and from there to my InBox.

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Immediately after sending those 2 emails to the group, I had to send MYSELF a different email from both WLM and via webmail ... both arrived on my webmail instantly and delivered to my WLM InBox instantly, so there wasn’t any problem on my ISP.

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Messages on my group aren’t moderated, and I have checked settings on the group, I can’t find anything about whether delivery of emails is instant.

My ISP insists they are not blocking messages.. and that has to be correct because I can post and receive properly, most of the time.

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Could you please let me know if there is something I can do to solve this problem ?

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Thanks

Win

Uggh and I was Liking Groups.io

~mary~

#10521

Someone saw this on the Groups.io page.? ?

"Groups.io has several tiers of service.? They have ?free tier but then they have paid tiers too.

/static/pricing

Oh, and at the top of that page: "Is your group associated with Indivisible ()? Is you group dedicated to countering the Trump administration's immoral immigration policies? Please contact support, and we will upgrade your group to Premium for free."

.... Now what is the other choice for Groups?? Why did they have to get Political????

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