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Re: re time for emails to arrive

 

Shal, here are the Return paths for the 2 emails I mention which had been delayed 23 minutes. I know in the scheme of things that isn't very long and is by no means the longest delay, but I found these 2 quickly... and when I mostly receive replies instantly, these are anomalies .
I hope this is helpful. If there is something else you need, just ask... if it s a bit technical, you may need to explain how to do it... lol..
many thanks
Win

First email...
Return-Path: <[email protected]>
Delivered-To: <del13piero@[ISP]>
Received: from [ISP] ([10.2.56.2])
??? by [ISP] with LMTP id 51K9C050Ulv+UgAA8CYk5A
??? for <del13piero@[ISP]>; Sat, 21 Jul 2018 00:56:02 +0000
Received: from [ISP] ([10.2.56.2])
??? by [ISP] with LMTP id +EGLNmiCUlvJOwAAk2BOMQ
??? ; Sat, 21 Jul 2018 00:56:02 +0000
Received: from [ISP]
??? by [ISP] (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D1CB1A0002
??? for <del13piero@[ISP]>; Sat, 21 Jul 2018 00:56:02 +0000 (UTC)
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Second email
Return-Path: <[email protected]>
Delivered-To: <del13piero@[ISP]>
Received: from [ISP] ([10.2.56.7])
??? by [ISP] with LMTP id kwjdNzZiVVu/BwAA8CYk5A
??? for <del13piero@[ISP]>; Mon, 23 Jul 2018 05:08:20 +0000
Received: from [ISP] ([10.2.56.7])
??? by [ISP] with LMTP id i6WbJ/lTVVvuMwAAk2BOMQ
??? ; Mon, 23 Jul 2018 05:08:20 +0000
Received: from[ISP]by [ISP] (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F5FC1E0018
??? for <del13piero@[ISP]>; Mon, 23 Jul 2018 05:08:20 +0000 (UTC)


[ISP domain redacted by moderator for privacy]
Re: re time for emails to arrive

 

Shal, thanks for your reply.
I am answering this from the group home page because your message has never come in to my InBox at all, nor my webmail, and it is? over 5? hours since your reply landed on the group. I had to check on the group because I was wondering if my message had ever arrived there.
In answer to your questions...?
1... Some emails I send TO the group never arrive at all...
?Your reply...If you mean that they do not post to the group's?Messages?page have a look in the group's?Activity?log to see if they are listed as "attempted to send" (meaning that the message was rejected).?
My reply... No, there was not anything listed in the activity log about the specific email.

2... Some emails (not necessarily from me) arrive on the group home page, but never get delivered to me.
Your reply... ?Go to the?Subscription?page while visiting the group (or click on your row in the group's??Members?list) and click onto the?Email Delivery History?tab. See if anything in the?Recent Bounces?section lines up with the missing messages.
My reply... No, nothing at all in the recent bounces
3... They took 20 minutes to arrive back in WebMail and from there to my InBox.
?Your reply... That sounds like your ISP is??messages from Groups.io.? That's a (dubious in my opinion) anti-spam technique.
The Received fields in one of the delayed messages would in that case show that the delay is at the hop between Groups.io's outbound server and your ISP's inbound server.
My reply... I have taken details of 2 separate emails which arrived but both had been delayed 23 minutes... each email is from different days do it isn't a glitch at one particular time.. I have copied the Return Path of both and will send them in a different email... would you please take a look and see if you can find out what is happening??
Tomorrow (11.23 PM now) I will contact the ISP again and ask about Greylisting.
If I don't get a satisfactory answer, I will do as you suggest and report it to Mark and see if he can resolve it... What details will he require? He won't want to phone them because we are in Australia, so will the website URL be sufficient?

It is now exactly 5? hours since your reply and still nothing in webmail or In Box.

Thanks
Win
Re: re time for emails to arrive

 

Win,


1... Some emails I send TO the group never arrive at all...

?If you mean that they do not post to the group's Messages page have a look in the group's Activity log to see if they are listed as "attempted to send" (meaning that the message was rejected).
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2... Some emails (not necessarily from me) arrive on the group home page, but never get delivered to me.

?Go to the Subscription page while visiting the group (or click on your row in the group's? Members list) and click onto the Email Delivery History tab. See if anything in the Recent Bounces section lines up with the missing messages.

?They took 20 minutes to arrive back in WebMail and from there to my InBox.

?That sounds like your ISP is messages from Groups.io.? That's a (dubious in my opinion) anti-spam technique.

The Received fields in one of the delayed messages would in that case show that the delay is at the hop between Groups.io's outbound server and your ISP's inbound server.

My ISP insists they are not blocking messages.. and that has to be correct because I can post and receive properly, most of the time.

?It may be technically true that they aren't blocking Messages from Groups.io, but it does sound like they are deferring them.

Could you please let me know if there is something I can do to solve this problem ?

?See this related topic, start at message #10318.
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Go back to your ISP and ask if there's a way to whitelist all messages from Groups.io as a sender, or to remove it from greylisting.

The other option is to report it to [email protected] along with contact info for your ISP to see if Mark can convince them to "play nice" with Groups.io.

Shal?


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Locked Re: Uggh and I was Liking Groups.io

 

mary,

.... Now what is the other choice for Groups?? Why did they have to get Political????

I had seen that in a tweet some weeks ago, but I didn't know it had crept into the site. ?I'm not thrilled about seeing politics injected into what I think should be a neutral, or "safe place," that is welcoming to all. I think a service like Groups.io should thrive or not on its own merits; I hope it doesn't cost him too much business.

It is an old saying: having the right to do something does not automatically make it the right thing to do.

GMF is not a political forum and I'm not going to approve political debate here; please keep your own politics out of your postings. Note that no one from Groups.io is a member of GMF so if you wish to express your feelings about that offer to Groups.io best to do so directly.

Shal
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re time for emails to arrive

 

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I am having LOTS of trouble with emails to and from my own group. I am using Windows Live Mail 2012.
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1... Some emails I send TO the group never arrive at all... yet if I try sending the exact same message 5 or 6 hours later, it will come in to the group (and delivered to me via WLM) within 60 seconds... and in that 5 or 6 hours I am receiving other group mail.... and the original message is still somewhere in cyberspace 5 days later.
2... Some emails (not necessarily from me) arrive on the group home page, but never get delivered to me.
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My ISP¡¯s tech support has just asked me to send exactly the same message to the group, one from WLM and the other from my ISP¡¯s webmail.. both arrived on the group within 60 seconds... yet weren¡¯t delivered back to my webmail or to my InBox 15 minutes later. I would have thought that it would get back to my webmail immediately. It appears to be held up on the group. They took 20 minutes to arrive back in WebMail and from there to my InBox.
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Immediately after sending those 2 emails to the group, I had to send MYSELF a different email from both WLM and via webmail ... both arrived on my webmail instantly and delivered to my WLM InBox instantly, so there wasn¡¯t any problem on my ISP.
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Messages on my group aren¡¯t moderated, and I have checked settings on the group, I can¡¯t find anything about whether delivery of emails is instant.
My ISP insists they are not blocking messages.. and that has to be correct because I can post and receive properly, most of the time.
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Could you please let me know if there is something I can do to solve this problem ?
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Thanks
Win
Locked Uggh and I was Liking Groups.io

~mary~
 

Someone saw this on the Groups.io page.? ?

"Groups.io has several tiers of service.? They have ?free tier but then they have paid tiers too.


Oh, and at the top of that page: "Is your group associated with Indivisible ()? Is you group dedicated to countering the Trump administration's immoral immigration policies? Please contact support, and we will upgrade your group to Premium for free."

.... Now what is the other choice for Groups?? Why did they have to get Political????

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Re: Your Groups.io Account Is Bouncing

Jim Higgins
 

Received from Shal Farley at 7/24/2018 11:26 PM UTC:

Verizon now owns Yahoo Mail and AOL as brands under its Oath subsidiary.

As I understand it ATT and its domains switched away from Yahoo Mail as their email service provider around the time of the sale of Yahoo properties to Verizon.

AT&T's currently advertised POP server - inbound.att.net - is on Yahoo's network.

Same for pop.verizon.net

Given that their mail service isn't inside the mess that constitutes Yahoogroups, I wouldn't be concerned.

Jim H
Re: Your Groups.io Account Is Bouncing

 

Bob,

But the actual provfider for all of ATT's domains and same for Verizon
are actually Yahoo or is it now Oath?
Verizon now owns Yahoo Mail and AOL as brands under its Oath subsidiary.

As I understand it ATT and its domains switched away from Yahoo Mail as their email service provider around the time of the sale of Yahoo properties to Verizon.

Verizon domains had email service primarily through Yahoo Mail at least up until Verizon's purchase of AOL (which was earlier than Yahoo). I don't know if those are now a mix of Yahoo Mail and AOL or if they're still Yahoo Mail under the hood.

Shal


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Re: Harvesting email addresses

 

Debbie,

I'll write to support (Mark?) and see what he suggests should be done.
Yes, Mark Fletcher.

Maybe I just need to write to the owner of that list and make him
aware of the opposition to what he's doing.
That might be a good first step. It is always possible that he doesn't realize that others might object to being invited "out of the blue".

Shal


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Re: Your Groups.io Account Is Bouncing

 

Has never happened to me on either? yahoo or Groups.io
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Re: Your Groups.io Account Is Bouncing

 

But the actual provfider for all of ATT's domains and same for? Verizon are actually Yahoo or is it now Oath?
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Re: Your Groups.io Account Is Bouncing

 

On 7/24/2018 1:49 PM, Ullman Garrett wrote:
I have used Gmail for a number of years and to my knowledge no messages from groups. IO or Yahoo groups was ever bounced.
Ullmang
Same here, with messages from Yahoo Groups, Google Groups, and now Groups.io.

As well as my standard Gmail address used for this list, I have a business domain whose email is managed by Gmail, and one of those addresses I also use for some list memberships. I've never had any bounces on either of them.

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Re: Your Groups.io Account Is Bouncing

 

On 24/07/18 05:49 PM, Ullman Garrett wrote:
I have used Gmail for a number of years and to my knowledge no messages
from groups. IO or Yahoo groups was every bounced.
I've seen messages from both Groups.IO and YahooGroups be bounced by
GMail for no apparent reason. GMail also has a habit of putting about
five percent of list messages into the spam folder.

jonathon
Re: Your Groups.io Account Is Bouncing

 

I have used Gmail for a number of years and to my knowledge no messages from groups. IO or Yahoo groups was every bounced.
Ullmang

On Tue, Jul 24, 2018, 12:27 PM toki <toki.kantoor@...> wrote:
On 24/07/18 01:29 AM, Bruce Bowman wrote:

>the best long-term solution is to seek out a more reliable provider. I realize that sounds kinda glib, but it's the truth.

Are there any reliable email providers any more?

All of the providers bounce messages for no apparent reason.

For lists that I consider to be important, I have at least three
subscriptions, from different email providers (^1) scattered across the
globe. It is very unusual for the same message to be bounced by all of
those providers.


^1: I don't look at the branding, but who runs the operations.? As such,
AOL, Verizon, and BT are the same provider. Similarly, Yandex, and
Mail.RU are the same provider.

jonathon
Re: Your Groups.io Account Is Bouncing

 

On 24/07/18 01:29 AM, Bruce Bowman wrote:

the best long-term solution is to seek out a more reliable provider. I realize that sounds kinda glib, but it's the truth.
Are there any reliable email providers any more?

All of the providers bounce messages for no apparent reason.

For lists that I consider to be important, I have at least three
subscriptions, from different email providers (^1) scattered across the
globe. It is very unusual for the same message to be bounced by all of
those providers.


^1: I don't look at the branding, but who runs the operations. As such,
AOL, Verizon, and BT are the same provider. Similarly, Yandex, and
Mail.RU are the same provider.

jonathon
Re: Option not to receive own emails?

 

May?be it would help if the Filter text was changed with the group name in the subject line?? This should mean that only the incoming mail is going into the particular folder?? And while answering a post of course take the group name out of the subject line before sending.
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Date: 7/24/2018 10:05:42
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I believe it happens when they have a filter set to move emails from the group into a folder/label, which catches both the 'sent' version from gmail, and the incoming email via .
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Re: How do I transfer events from one calendar to another? #calendar #howto

 

On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 11:25 PM, Mom Munson wrote:
Just the ability to import a file like that into the main calendar would be enough. Then, we could make the planning calendar in google or ical and import from there. (or out and back again)
Note that you can export your groups.io calendar to Google...just not the other way 'round.

See this thread:??/g/GroupManagersForum/message/5824?

Regards,
Bruce?
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Re: Harvesting email addresses

debbie
 

Thanks for your view on this, Shal.

Several people have complained already and I received it, too, so I will take upon myself to take care of it. I'll write to support (Mark?) and see what he suggests should be done. Maybe I? just need to write to the owner of that list and make him aware of the opposition to what he's doing.

Debbie

On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 12:44 PM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:


Note also that I think the wording here implies that the aggrieved party is the invitee, not the owner of the group whose members were targeted.
Re: Harvesting email addresses

 

Debbie,

Does "[TOS prohibition on collecting email addresses]" include
harvesting email addresses to send them invitations to another
groups.io group?
I would think so, if the invitations would be considered "unsolicited" by the recipients.

Note that might not have an obvious interpretation; the group's culture and norms come into play. Some groups consider off-list contact between members to be entirely normal (and hence participation in the group constitutes tacit consent) while other groups consider off-list contact to be forbidden or even reprehensible.

And there can be cases in between. For example, when discussing things here in GMF I've been known to send a member of GMF an invitation to join my test group. Often I'll mention that on-list, but I can't say that I always do. Sometimes I just write a personal note into the invitation itself. One could argue that such invitations (or at least some of them) are unsolicited in that the GMF member did not explicitly ask for an invitation. I would assert that their assent to be invited, even if post-facto, is a reasonable inference from the conversation about resolving a particular question.

Note also that I think the wording here implies that the aggrieved party is the invitee, not the owner of the group whose members were targeted.

If so, is [email protected] the correct place to report it to?
Yes. The very last sentence of the TOS:
"Please contact us at [email protected] to report any violations of
these Terms of Service or to pose any questions regarding this Terms of
Service or the Service."

Shal


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Re: How do I transfer events from one calendar to another? #calendar #howto

 

On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 10:25 PM, Mom Munson wrote:
Is there a central ¡°wishlist¡±
Suggestions should be posted on the beta group.? There's an item for calendar features that you could add support for,

Duane
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