Re: How to know if a member is moderated

#588

The only people who see the groups lists are Moderators and Owners. ?It's a point we might forget because we are so used to having it.

I have a couple of psuedonyms with different or no privileges I use to check these things.

With one of those I logged in and cannot see the members list for one of the groups I own and also manage.

Re: Procedure for submitting/approval of Wiki item

#587

Bob,

?Twice I've added a new page but it isn't showing up in the Wiki at all.

I see two new pages you've added to GMF's wiki: " A step by step on how to get online at groups.io the first time" and " Step by step process to get online at groups.io with additional basic navigation". Both are listed in the "Pages" list (button at the bottom of the wiki home page.

GMF has a customized wiki Home page; items do not get added to it automatically (unlike the default wiki page, which is just an Index that basically duplicates the Pages list). When a group has a page named "Home" that page replaces the default Index. This allows customization but also means that one must manually edit the Home page to add any page links to it.

So, as I said to Janice (in another thread), When you think the topic is ready to be "published" you can add a link to it on the wiki home page, or ask me to do that for you. Meanwhile, you can get back to your page through the "Pages" drop-list.

?I'm probably on the Moderated list since I notice a delay in my postings
?and that possibly prevents my new Wiki page from showing.

Nope. Message moderation has nothing to do with Wiki pages. I think it has been suggested in beta@ that wiki moderation might also be a good thing. I have requested notification of wiki page updates or creation, and wait eagerly for the "notifications overhaul" which I hope will implement that.

By the way, GMF@ is 100% moderated, even my own posts. But that's a different topic if you care to discuss it.

?How do I make one of our groups' Wiki public?

In the "Features" section of your group's Settings page (at the bottom) there's a control for the Wiki. In GMF I have it set to "Public can view, Subscribers can view and edit". That's the most permissive setting, the rest are more restrictive.

Shal

Re: How to know if a member is moderated

J_Olivia Catlady

#586

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Every member of every group knows by the 'M' badge in their groups list if they're on moderated status. They do not know who *else* is on moderated status. Including the info in the headers would reveal that to them.

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On Jul 26, 2016, at 1:43 PM, Joseph Hudson <jhud7789@...> wrote:

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Members can still figure out whether on their unmoderated status or not. Especially if you have your account set to receive off copies of messages. It's obvious whenever you know when you sent the message and then the message and then later posted. So nothing can be hidden by that and Lexmark decides to remove the functionality of receiving your own coffee of post.

Joseph Hudson

Re: Help items for general use

MIKE

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Re: Procedure for submitting/approval of Wiki item

#584

Both of your pages were created, yesterday and today.  They won't show on the main page unless you insert links for them.  Right now, you can find them by going to the Pages button at the bottom and selecting them from the list.  They're named:
Step by step process to get online at groups.io with additional basic navigation (from yesterday)
A step by step on how to get online at groups.io the first time

On your group, you go to the Settings page.  At the very bottom, you can set the Wiki options.  On here, it's set to "Public can view, Subscribers can view and edit"

Duane

Re: How to know if a member is moderated

Joseph Hudson

#583

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Members can still figure out whether on their unmoderated status or not. Especially if you have your account set to receive off copies of messages. It's obvious whenever you know when you sent the message and then the message and then later posted. So nothing can be hidden by that and Lexmark decides to remove the functionality of receiving your own coffee of post.

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On Jul 26, 2016, at 12:42 PM, J_catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

I think you'd have to look in logs for whether a message was approved by a moderator. This information is not currently included in the header, because that would cause it to be available to all members. Whether of not to include it was the basis of a very recent discussion in beta, with Mark deciding to forego putting that info in the header due to strong feelings by some moderators about not letting all members know which members' messages are moderated and which are not (I.e., who in the group is on moderation and who is not in an unmoderated group).

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Re: Procedure for submitting/approval of Wiki item

#582

Twice I've added a new page but it isn't showing up in the Wiki at all

I may be ignorant but following all of the advice I made both attempts to no avail.

I'm probably on the Moderated list since I notice a delay in my postings and that possibly prevents my new Wiki page from showing.

So I need to ask one more question.

How do I make one of our groups' Wiki public?

Re: Duplicate Threads

#581

Janice,

Why are there sometimes duplicate threads? ... I have checked and the 
spelling and wording of the thread titles are exactly the same.When a message is received (either via email or posted using the group's web pages) there are two factors that determine whether it will be appended to an existing thread or start a new one.

One factor is visible: does the Subject field match an existing thread Subject. Certain variations are allowed, such as having Re: prefixed to the subject. Missing or added hashtags might also be allowed as a match.

The other factor can only be seen in the message header (View Source), and that is whether the message is marked as "In-Reply-To," or it "References," a message that is in an existing thread. When you use the Reply function in the group's web page the In-Reply-To field is always marked appropriately. 

Most email user interfaces will also mark a reply, most of the time. It could be that the messages that started a duplicate to an existing thread were sent by email, from a user interface that didn't mark the message "In-Reply-To" (or "References"). I've seen some instances where an email UI that normally gets that right will fail to mark a message if you duplicate the unsent draft and send the duplicate draft instead of the original.

To avoid that limitation, there's one more rule. If the message is not marked "In-Reply-To" (or "References") but the message Subject begins with "Re" and matches a thread that is less than a week old then this message is added to that thread anyway.

The bottom line is, in normal circumstances your threads shouldn't be broken into separate parts with the same Subject. A careful examination of the message headers of the messages in each separate thread may reveal why a message started a new thread when it apparently should have appended to an existing one. 

As a moderator you can put the threads back together using the Merge function in the Threads View list. See the drop-menu to the right of the date of each thread.

Shal

Re: Duplicate Threads

J_Olivia Catlady

#580

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I think you'd have to look in logs for whether a message was approved by a moderator. This information is not currently included in the header, because that would cause it to be available to all members. Whether of not to include it was the basis of a very recent discussion in beta, with Mark deciding to forego putting that info in the header due to strong feelings by some moderators about not letting all members know which members' messages are moderated and which are not (I.e., who in the group is on moderation and who is not in an unmoderated group).

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On Jul 26, 2016, at 9:58 AM, Marlin47@... wrote:

Janice, I have one possible explanation.?

I own a couple of freecycle groups, that are moderated.

There have been times where I have approved a message, only to notice that the message has not come through the group, maybe for 6 to 8 hours.

So, I approve it again, only to see it come through twice within a minute or two, both with the same time stamp.

If other messages were approved in the meantime, then there would be messages between the two identical messages.

Your clue would be to look at the complete header and note whether the messages had to be approved by a moderator, and if so, check the time they were approved, it will probably show two different times if the situation was like I described.

Otherwise, I would not know.

Marlin

On 7/26/2016 8:25 AM, weebeequilting wrote:

Why are there sometimes duplicate threads? ?Sometimes they are listed one below the other and sometimes there are other threads in between. ?I have checked and the spelling and wording of the thread titles are exactly the same. ?

Thanks for any clues about this.

Janice B

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Re: Duplicate Threads

#579

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Janice, I have one possible explanation.?

I own a couple of freecycle groups, that are moderated.

There have been times where I have approved a message, only to notice that the message has not come through the group, maybe for 6 to 8 hours.

So, I approve it again, only to see it come through twice within a minute or two, both with the same time stamp.

If other messages were approved in the meantime, then there would be messages between the two identical messages.

Your clue would be to look at the complete header and note whether the messages had to be approved by a moderator, and if so, check the time they were approved, it will probably show two different times if the situation was like I described.

Otherwise, I would not know.

Marlin

On 7/26/2016 8:25 AM, weebeequilting wrote:

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Why are there sometimes duplicate threads? ?Sometimes they are listed one below the other and sometimes there are other threads in between. ?I have checked and the spelling and wording of the thread titles are exactly the same. ?

Thanks for any clues about this.

Janice B

AZ

Duplicate Threads

weebeequilting

#578

Why are there sometimes duplicate threads? ?Sometimes they are listed one below the other and sometimes there are other threads in between. ?I have checked and the spelling and wording of the thread titles are exactly the same. ?

Thanks for any clues about this.

Janice B

AZ

Re: Question about Public Profiles

#577

Thanks Shal,

I got concerned when things were posted about a public profile, and I prefer to be less easy to find online. :)

I deleted it, and feel a lot better.

Brenda

Re: Question about Public Profiles

#576

Brenda,

Can someone tell me what would happen if I delete the profile name from 
my profile? If you delete the Profile Name (formerly known as the "User Name") then your profile will no longer be accessible by others. 

Wherever your content appears (such as message posts) your Display Name is shown as the author. If you have a Profile Name set, then your Display Name becomes a link to your Profile (and your Profile name is part of the URL under that link). With no Profile name set there is no link, and your Display Name appears as plain text.

The information other people can see at your profile (if you leave it viewable) is: 

  o  your Display Name and Photo (which of course they see anyway), 
  o  your Profile Name, 
  o  the date you joined Groups.io, and 
  o  a list of the group memberships you have. 

I believe that list includes only groups which are listed in the Groups.io directory, but that should be double-checked if it is important to you.

I don't even remember putting it there, but if I did, and it 
causes my profile to be viewable, I would like to prevent that.Delete it then.

Shal

Question about Public Profiles

#575

Disclaimer: I haven't managed to catch up in here yet, so I've not read in quite awhile, sorry if I ask something that has been handled already.

Can someone tell me what would happen if I delete the profile name from my profile? I don't even remember putting it there, but if I did, and it causes my profile to be viewable, I would like to prevent that.

Thanks,

Brenda

Re: Procedure for submitting/approval of Wiki item

#574

Bob,

?At the top level I don't see two items that I would expect in a system
?like the GMF Wiki:

How to submit, receive approval and insert new Wiki item
How to suggest modification of Wiki structure.? (Not that I need this but most document systems I'm familiar with have built-in processes described for modifying the system. viz Engineering Change Management System)

I hadn't thought of formalizing a process for editing GMF's wiki. Time will tell if something like that is needed.

At the moment, as Duane said, it works like any other wiki: anyone with write permission can add or edit pages. And at the moment, in GMF this means any member.

That said, the section "Advice to Group Members" could use more comprehensive how-to information on the wiki feature of Groups.io. Despite the success of Wikipedia and some other public wikis it is probably true that most people have never considered authoring wiki content.

Shal

Re: Procedure for submitting/approval of Wiki item

#573

The Wiki here on GMF can be modified by group subscribers, so there's not really a procedure to follow.  You go to the page, make the changes, and save them.  If there's a major problem, a moderator can delete the new page so it reverts to the older one.  Anyone can edit them to correct errors they notice.  There's a place on the edit page to add a note of what was done.

For a new page, you just create it and it becomes part of the Wiki and shows in the drop down list of pages.  The person that created the page can add a link on the main page if they're comfortable with doing it.  If not, someone else can add it later.

Duane

Procedure for submitting/approval of Wiki item

#572

At the top level I don't see two items that I would expect in a system like the GMF Wiki:

How to submit, receive approval and insert new Wiki item
How to suggest modification of Wiki structure. ?(Not that I need this but most document systems I'm familiar with have built-in processes described for modifying the system. viz Engineering Change Management System)

Bob Bellizzi

Re: Help items for general use

#571

I like bold and I like the title you picked.

It makes sense; its a familiar phrase that you often see when you buy a new piece of hardware (If you actually look at the documentation).

Bob Bellizzi

Re: Help items for general use

#570

Bob,

I think I owe you a bit of apology. I had not thought this idea out 
very much but felt it had to be verbalized since I haven't found any 
real help for members who have not yet gone online to use groups.io.Not a problem. That lack has been nagging at me as well, but I've suffered a round tuit deficit. Most of my volunteer time for the next few weeks will be soaked up by my PTA activities; school registration is when we sign up the bulk of our members and so it will be a few intense days at the high school for me.

Possibly a subgroup might be a good idea but i think you would also have 
to have a division in the Wiki as Frances suggested it prepare for 
future easy identification of possible member help information that we 
might convince Mark to include in his zendesk stuff.I'm open to suggestion on the sub-group idea.

Some advantages are that it could have a members-only archive (GMF main's is public) and be less formal and less moderated than the main group. That would also spare the main group members from a bunch of details that might bore anyone that isn't working on the pages.

I've acted on the idea of having a newbie section in the wiki home page. Next will be to put some content in it. 

BTW I have told Mark of this.Cool. It never hurts to have friends in high places ;-)  

He's actually seen GMF's wiki before, in the context of the subgroup discussion in beta@.
/g/beta/message/7105

Shal

Re: Help items for general use

#569

Bob,

Nothing for the poor newbie.  I agree that a specific top level pair of 
Member and Group Owner/Moderator would give all of us what a good 
forking point.I've added a new (aspirtional) header to GMF's wiki, So now we have: 
    Quick-Start Guide
    Advice to Group Members (maybe this needs a more compelling title?)
    Best Practices for Group Management

I also did a bit of touch-up reformatting, and put the h1 style on the section headers. H1 seems a bit bold, but it is the right place to start for the later addition of a table of contents, should we ever have enough content there to need one. See if that seems like an appropriate division to you.

As I mentioned in my earlier reply, GMF's wiki is public-readable so anyone might find it and read it. Or feel free to give newbies a link to it:
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki

I would be glad to provide both procedures as add in text here to 
individual messages. That way anyone who wishes could try them out with 
only simple modification.Awesome! Thanks.

Shal