Ivar,

As an option, is it possible to make the calendar starting with
Monday, not Sunday as it usual in parts of Europe?

Not that I know of. It has been asked in the beta group, you could add to that suggestion.

I would also appreciate an option with the date as DDMMYYYY, and the
clock with 24 hours.

These have been mentioned there recently, and the ISO-8601 format YYYY-MM-DD.

Shal


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On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 05:18 pm, Shal Farley wrote:

Quite the contrary. I think for proper linkage you need the member records copied in first.

Thanks, Shal.

I was merely worried that those users who were being forced to keep Yahoo email addresses would change theirs as soon as they got access to Groups.io, preventing message linking later.

But it sounds like there's another wrinkle I hadn't anticipated. I assumed that as long as the emails were a match, it didn't matter which came first, the user records or the messages.

Oh well, we'll probably just move over and not care so much when the YG messages show up later unlinked. Our group is very informal and having the old messages at all is gravy.

Cheers, -rfs

RFS,

If I invite all our users at their YG email addresses, but they opt to
change them /before/ a message transfer completes (there seems to be
an understandable backlog), have we lost any ability to map them to
their old messages?

Yes, I believe so.

Is my only option to not invite folks until after the message transfer
completes ...

Quite the contrary. I think for proper linkage you need the member records copied in first.

(or just opt for a user+message transfer)?

That's the way to do it. Plus any other content (except attachments) will be copied in by default.

Shal


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Loopy,

Deleting messages seems to be an issue. You can click on the little
arrow and get the option to delete that one message only.
Is it possible to have the option to 'check-all' and hit a delete
button? It's very time consuming doing one at a time.

There isn't. There's a To-Do item about bulk operations on message threads, but I'm not sure if Deletion is one of the contemplated operations.

All these messages go to each member so I see
no need to keep them after a week or so.

In most email list services there's a central store of all the prior message. Sometimes called an archive, the usual intent is to have a quasi-permanent repository of the past messages. So one option for you is to simply ignore the old messages, as they aren't counted against any quota for your group.

If you feel that the messages are ephemeral and should be deleted there is a "Topic Duration" hashtag option that will let you set a limit after which the topic is automatically deleted. Two problems with that for your purpose:

o It applies to whole topics, not individual messages.
o You have to get the hashtag onto every topic.

You can go in and edit each new topic to add the hashtag. I don't know what happens if you edit an old topic and add a hashtag with a limit, maybe nothing if the topic is already older than the specified limit.

Shal


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As I mentioned, an individual in my yahoo discussion group is against the move to IO because of having to learn a lot of stuff all over. One concern of his was searching the archives. I see in IO that the search can only be refined to messages and polls, and a time frame. I looked in yahoo and it has a better search engine. It allows a search not only by time, but by Subject, the presence or absence of a particular author, and the presence or absence of a particular phrase in the message. Are there any plans to make the search engine in IO more powerful?
Stan

Stan,

Also, I think one primary advantage of a group is that it relieves the
workload of the people running whatever it is, be it Yahoo or
groups.io.

That's precisely how GMF and Group_Help came to be recommended on the beta group's home page. Mark Fletcher, the founder and creator of Groups.io, runs the beta group himself and eventually got overwhelmed with routine usage questions.

Much earlier, a few days before Mark created the beta group, another gentleman created Group_Help and I created GMF, both with the mission of being user-to-user help and advice groups. So when Mark felt the traffic in the beta group was unmanageable he put the breaks on and announced that general questions should be directed to either of our two groups. And he added links to both to the beta home page.


So that's how we obtained quasi-official status. Mark has said in beta that if there are other user-to-user help groups that want that role he'd be happy to add them to the list.

Historically this has a precedent in Yahoo Groups as well. For many years four user-to-user help groups, EmailList-Managers, ListHelp, GroupManagersForum, and Yahoo_group_of_groups were listed in Yahoo's help pages as alternate places for help.

From what I have seen, there are only a few individuals who are really
answering most of the questions and they appear to be part of the
support team, although I could be wrong about being part of the
support team.

Neither I nor any of the other owners of GMF, nor to my knowledge any member of GMF, is affiliated with Groups.io in any way beyond being avid users of the service. That said, some of us have been active in beta@ since the beginning and are fairly well known by Mark.

So, the question is, can I contact the support team
([email protected] ?) directly with questions instead of going to GMF?

Ideally no. Mark intends for the support address to be for bugs and other service issues, not general questions. However you can post in Group_Help instead of GMF. Or others, if there are any I don't know about.

Shal


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I accidentally figured out how to download an album picture, but it wasn't as intuitive as I thought it would be. Maybe there is another way I don't know about. How are others downloading album pictures?

Don

I see no problem with 100% moderation if the moderators don't mind
doing the work of screening everything.

I'm sure Shal has filtered out some things that don't belong being
posted here.

In our groups, it's not what we want to do, spending our time
approving messages all day. We've had to put only one person on
moderation twice and they've avoided offensive posts since then.
Another we had to ban. Those were the exceptions, though, and the
"moderate after X number of posts works out well.

Shal wants this group to be a safe place, not one where there's any
venom in any posts against another member. Since this is the place
where people get help (unless they use the support email), it makes
sense that this needs to be a safe place with zero negative posts.

Donald


On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 15:41:10 -0800, "J_Catlady"
<j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

I cannot understand, not will I ever be able to understand, why this group does not take advantage of the incredibly convenient and brilliant NuM feature. Shal himself may even have been a party to its original design (I no longer remember). I believe it would make life in this group more pleasant and more convenient for all concerned, including the moderators. My group uses it and it works wonderfully. In the odd case that an established member steps out of line, you can put them back on NuM again.

The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who
speak it. --George Orwell

On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 03:59 pm, Stan Gorodenski wrote:

there are only a few individuals who are really answering most of the questions and they appear to be part of the support team,

There's no support team. Everyone is a volunteer. And the support email address is mostly for bugs. There really is no other reasonable option besides this group, and that's the point I was making in my post just before this one.?
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On 2/18/2018 4:01 PM, Bob Bellizzi wrote:

Dear Stan,

Shal owns GMF and as owner, sets the rules.
I feel that if one doesn't like the rules, one finds another place more amenable to their mode of operation.

I can see where you need to have a very tightly controlled group. My groups are different, and, frankly, I don't see where GMF needs the kind of rigid moderation you require. I didn't know Shal was the owner of the group, but you raise a good point with the above statement. I just need answers to questions about setting up and resolving any problems I have with IO. I would guess about 70% of the messages I see are way beyond me and so they are of no value to me. Also, I think one primary advantage of a group is that it relieves the workload of the people running whatever it is, be it Yahoo or groups.io. From what I have seen, there are only a few individuals who are really answering most of the questions and they appear to be part of the support team, although I could be wrong about being part of the support team. I don't need to belong to a discussion group unless this is the only alternative to getting answers. So, the question is, can I contact the support team ([email protected] ?) directly with questions instead of going to GMF? If not, then I think GMF needs to be more rigidly controlled instead of letting some messages get through but not approving others.
Stan

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The problem is that this group is the de facto goto for help, and there’s really no other option for someone who (like me) strongly objects to and, like Stan, feels insulted by indefinite moderation. Mark will no longer answer help-type questions on beta, instead directing people here (or the mostly inactive ‘groups help’ group). ?

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Great message.?

Dear Stan,
I think that the term "owner" identifies who sets the rules for a group because they are responsible to groups.io for the group and it's actions.

Some groups ( ours included) have a focused purpose and are operated as a benefit to the members as a public service and we fit in that category.
Accordingly, we have very well defined rules for the use of the group, what may be posted and even in certain cases, what may be said.
The rules are set up? to protect the mission of the group.? They are not completely set in stone but do change when necessary.
Each prospective member must formally agree to our rules and by so agreeing, is subject to them.
If the rules change all members are informed and they have two options; to implicitly agree with the new rules or to unsubscribe meaning that if they abrogate the new rules they are warned privately and if they persist in their mode of operation are removed from the group permanently.
Our mission to help others is very important, not only to us but also to many who don't yet know of their need.
We take our duty to protect members' information seriously and rules are necessary to that properly perform that duty.
Our group has not been invaded in about 20 years.
We moderate all new members till they complete their 4th? posting at which time groups.io automatically removes them from moderation.
Our rules contain procedures for complaints by other members, and have other rules of conduct included.
Members seldom need more than one reminder to calm down or to apologize for violating our rules.

Shal owns GMF and as owner, sets the? rules.
I feel that if one doesn't like the rules, one finds another place more amenable to their mode of operation.

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I moved our neighbourhood group from Yahoo a year ago and I could not be happier. Here is the last message I posted to Yahoo regarding the move. And not a single person had an issue or question.

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As discussed at the Annual Meeting, this group will be moved to a new group provider - groups.io. I am about to start the process now. I haven't done this before so I am not sure how many notifications will go out to everyone.

They will download the member list of the Yahoo Group and directly add everyone the new IvoryHills Groups.io group. They will add all members that are currently confirmed and not bouncing. If you get this email then you are not bouncing. Subscription preferences (email, no email, digest, etc.) will be preserved.

Every new user of Groups.io will also be subscribed to the [email protected] group, to receive updates about the Groups.io service. I have never received a message in 3 months of membership.

In addition to the member list, they will download the existing group messages (but not attachments) and add them to the Groups.io group.

They will send an email to each member when the move has completed.

Email me if you have any questions.

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Stan, I said that I agree with Barb that some groups probably need moderating and that is up to the owner of that group, not you or me. ?

"As an option, is it possible to make the calendar starting with Monday, not Sunday as it usual in parts of Europe?"

How are calendars started in the other parts of Europe?

Don

In my group I also have members who have been in it a long time or who I have known outside the group for a long time, but that is not the reason I do not moderate them. Perhaps in some groups it is necessary to moderate everyone because of the temperament of the individuals involved. It may be a blanket trait of people in that narrow field of the group. However, I have found that one should be more understanding and accommodating because the person that is causing some problem initially ends up being an outstanding member. You said "Be kinder than necessary, for everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle", but I would also add, be more tolerant and understanding. This is what is lacking in many groups, and in our society I believe. If someone makes an abrasive comment, abrasive to some but not all, the immediate reaction is to contact the list owner, in a private message, and get the person banned. I have a member in my discussion group who created problems in other groups. He became a member of my group and many individuals in private email wanted me to ban him. I ban no one. There are other ways to deal with a problem. In this case, I worked with him over a long time and he is now one of the best members I have with what he has to offer the group.
Stan


On 2/18/2018 1:39 PM, Cherrill wrote:

I agree with everything here Barb. Although my group is not moderated as we have been together a very long time.
Cherrill
Be kinder than necessary, for everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle

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Stan,

Is the above link safe to use?

I think the site is safe. My company has used it to check all of our company email addresses and haven't had any problems. It did turn up a couple of addresses in data breaches of retail stores and the like. So we advised employees to change the password on those accounts (and to stop using their company addresses for on-line shopping and other purposes). In those cases the stolen credentials were still encrypted, so it isn't certain whether or not anyone ever managed to gain access to the accounts. But just to be safe...

Sometimes I get messages from some of the members of my Yahoo
discussion group that end up in my IP's Spam folder. It has their name
on the message but it is not them.

Another kind of fraud that I've seen, that sounds like this, is a message using the Display Name of a friend, or other trustworthy person, but when you look at the details the actual From email address isn't theirs, it is some unrelated compromised account. Something like:

Shal Farley <footballer @ oddballdomain.ru>

(Not to pick on the Russians, but country-code top-level domains seem to host lots of compromised email servers.)

If your Inbox normally shows only the Display Name, "Shal Farley", you might think the message was from me - unless you check the actual email address itself. Those kinds of messages aren't a threat to an email list, as the member's actual email address wasn't used. But yes, they sure are annoying to get in your spam or Inbox.

Is this a good link to post in my yahoo discussion group for members
to check their email address for being compromised? Would it end up
causing me a big headache in ways unseen by posting it?

The headache I can imagine is a lot of potentially off-topic chatter about the subject, and perhaps a few panicked members. That depends on the nature of your group and members, of course.

Shal


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I agree with everything here Barb. ?Although my group is not moderated as we have been together a very long time.