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Re: full vs HTML digest - should I reset member subscriptions?

 

Can a Mac user please test the links in a digest?

The links are mostly clickable on my computer - except for the list at the beginning of the digest (Topics in this list) and Back to Topics.?

These links work: ?View This Message, Reply To This Message, Mute This Thread, Group Home.
I tested on my Mac Air (V 10.11.3) and on my iPhone 9.2.1
On my iPhone holding the Back to Topics link offers to open a new page.

I have been testing with Beta so the settings for the group should be right.

Frances
Re: full vs HTML digest - should I reset member subscriptions?

 

J,

I moved this to GMF to give Mark a break.[1]

In @beta J_catlady wrote:

Can one of you summarize the extra features in full, and tell me the
disadvantages and why someone would ?not? want it, s, so I can pass that
along?
/g/beta/message/5755


Features:

o Each item in the Topics list is a link to the start of that topic in the body.

o Each message has a link back to the Topics list.

o The links at the bottom of each message are compact and easy to read.
In the plain text digest those links take more space and look cluttered
because the URLs are shown.

o All links are "live".
With the plain text digest if your email service or software doesn't "linkify"
plain text URLs then you will need to copy/paste them to your browser.

o Some users prefer the formatted appearance of the HTML digest.

o Emoticons in the message bodies are shown as graphics.


Cons:

o The message is encoded in HTML.
Some email clients don't handle HTML well, or at all.
Some users prefer plain text.

o Each digest takes more bytes to transmit.
Costs more if using metered or otherwise limited internet service.
Requires more storage if you archive the messages for future reference.

o Font size and color choices in the individual messages are shown.
This can disrupt the appearance and/or readability of the digest.

o Emoticons in the message bodies are shown as graphics.
Some people despise this.


Anything I missed, folks?

-- Shal
1: /g/beta/message/4759
(last bullet item)
Wiki Database page #howtoguide

 

I just added a page to the Wiki for "Setting up a Database". I think I covered most of it, but please make changes if appropriate.

I'm thinking that we could do a lot of the documentation for Mark on how things work. I know that things are changing, some quite often, and that can make it difficult for less computer comfortable folks to keep up. As far as I'm concerned, Mark is more than welcome to use any of the information that I post if it will help others. If/when Shal feels that a page is pretty much set, he can lock it so that "Only moderators can edit this page" if he chooses so that there's less chance of it being messed up.

Duane
Re: Can a Yahoo Group be transferred without the member list?

Robert
 

On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 10:25 am, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:

In my test group you're a moderator with the privilege to change group settings, so if you'd like to play with subgroups feel free to change the option to "Moderators and Owners" or "Subscribers".


Shal, Thank you...I've done that! And formed a subgroup with just me in!!

Robert
Re: Creating a How-To Guide for groups.io #howtoguide

Daddy Dean
 

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Hi Francis,
I think that could depend on your what is your group is about.? My group is for Wheeler & Wilson Sewing Machines and only Singer W9.
In my group if some post about an issue with say a W&W 8 and you have a W&W D9 with same issue how to correct that would be a totally different process as there is that much difference between the machines.? It would be nice if member could from the email click start a new topic and ask how can I correct _______ on a W&W D9.
I would think this could be like in Yahoo where the owner could set the link for new subject to work or not as I know on some of my Yahoo group links work some they are there but not live and working.?
Dean

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Creating a How-To Guide for groups.io #howtoguide

Daddy Dean
 

Hi Group,

I added two How To Do to Wili.? One is for setting a password and profile!? Other is for making a photo album.? I did there for my group and place them here if someone should need to use them for your group if you have members who are computer challenged or just so use to Yahoo they are lost on IO.? Feel free to edit them as you need to

Dean
Re: Creating a How-To Guide for groups.io #howtoguide

 

About "start a new topic" - we spent quite some time figuring out how to merge threads. I am not sure that we want to encourage people to start a new thread when they really want to reply to the current message.

Frances
Re: Top Poster

vickie
 

Alright.??You answered pretty much all and more!

Thank you Shal!

Vickie

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From: Shal Farley <shals2nd@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 7:57 PM
Subject: Re: [GMF] Top Poster

Vickie,

> I don't care to have members ID's visible on the group front page
> after all what is the point of private to mod only the members list.

What's shown is the member's Display Name (a nickname he/she can set in
his/her profile), or if they haven't set a Display Name the user name
part of their email address.

One or the other will be visible on their messages as well.

That said, it might make sense to hide from members the Top Poster
section of the home page if the group's Members list is hidden from
members. Or maybe that should be a separate control.

> Any advise?

Suggest it on beta@. I'd include "#homepage #members #suggestions" in
the Subject line.

-- Shal
Re: Creating a How-To Guide for groups.io #howtoguide

 

This is interesting to me, because my group on Y! is almost completely email. It was so difficult to get a Y! account, then log in with it (ignoring your own personal email), then post, that they have 99.99% of the time simply started a new topic simply by sending a new email with a new subject line.?

I suspect my biggest problem will be getting the group email address replaced in their address books!

Marcy


------ Original Message ------
Received: 12:39 PM CST, 01/27/2016
From: "Daddy Dean" <daddydean1@...>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GMF] How to guide for groups.io


Hi,
Yes I think for many of us who own groups it is instinctive to just that, but for members who are computer challenged, they are not understanding that.? Since all on my group came from Yahoo they are use to that footer which had Start New Topic.? They are not able to think that group home, then post to start a new topic, so they are getting frustrated as they just do not know what to do.? I had member who could not understand why she could not attach a photo.? In my group attaching and embedding are disabled as we want members to make album where things can easily found later.? I was not aware that those on Yahoo who sent a photo in an email a copy was not in albums, those were in Photomatic which I had not even thought to move.?
What I like and think Donna is saying the same just something very simple but would tell you how to post from an email.? How to make photo album and such as there still some who are just getting computers and every thing we take for granted is mysterious to them.? Even those who have had computers but only use to Yahoo are are at lost as to how to do some simple things.

Dean
Re: Creating a How-To Guide for groups.io #howtoguide

Daddy Dean
 

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Hi,
Yes I think for many of us who own groups it is instinctive to just that, but for members who are computer challenged, they are not understanding that.? Since all on my group came from Yahoo they are use to that footer which had Start New Topic.? They are not able to think that group home, then post to start a new topic, so they are getting frustrated as they just do not know what to do.? I had member who could not understand why she could not attach a photo.? In my group attaching and embedding are disabled as we want members to make album where things can easily found later.? I was not aware that those on Yahoo who sent a photo in an email a copy was not in albums, those were in Photomatic which I had not even thought to move.?
What I like and think Donna is saying the same just something very simple but would tell you how to post from an email.? How to make photo album and such as there still some who are just getting computers and every thing we take for granted is mysterious to them.? Even those who have had computers but only use to Yahoo are are at lost as to how to do some simple things.

Dean
Re: Creating a How-To Guide for groups.io #howtoguide

 

Dean,

While I have found groups.io to be easy to use, some of my older group
members seem to think they are now in alien world, lost and with out
hope. Is there a simple" how to use.io guide" I could send out to
members? I did look but did not see one as I have things for IO that I
have been able to copy and paste to send to members.
GMF's wiki could be a place to keep such information. If you find good information you could add a link to it in the Wiki, or if you've written good information please consider contributing to the wiki. I've made a couple of starts there, but neither page is complete.

GMF's wiki has public visibility, meaning that you can point your members there without them needing to join GMF. If you are contributing to the wiki remember not to put any private information there.

Editing Wiki pages is pretty easy - the edit tool is very similar (or identical) to the message editor used to create posts and replies. Creating a new page and linking to it from the home page could be easier, but it isn't too difficult. If you need help with the process let me know.

Note that all revisions to Wiki pages are kept and can be compared. Just as edited posts can. Each revision shows who made the revision and when.

Do you think asking Mark to add a Start a New Topic into the footer of
emails would be possible? It could be right after Group Home and I
think would make things easier for some who are not good with computers
to start with being more comfortable.
Sure. Ask in beta@ - I recommend including the hashtags "#messages #suggestions" in the subject.

-- Shal
Re: Can a Yahoo Group be transferred without the member list?

 

Robert,

I don't see subgroup in the menus of GMF or your test group (I don't yet
have my own group).
You don't because in both groups the option is set to "Owners Only" - I think that's the default.

In my test group you're a moderator with the privilege to change group settings, so if you'd like to play with subgroups feel free to change the option to "Moderators and Owners" or "Subscribers".

-- Shal
Re: Can a Yahoo Group be transferred without the member list?

 

You'll only see the option if you have permission to use it. Once you own a group, or have the correct permissions as a moderator, it will show up.

Duane
Re: Can a Yahoo Group be transferred without the member list?

Robert
 

On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 05:59 pm, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:

Yes, a group may have one or more subgroups.

Group owners can use the +Subgroup page (in the list at the left) to
create new subgroups. Mods or members may be able to also, depending on
the "Create Sub Groups" option on the group's Settings page.

?Shal,

I don't see subgroup in the menus of GMF or your test group (I don't yet have my own group).

Robert
Re: Creating a How-To Guide for groups.io #howtoguide

 

Hi Dean,
?
I get indivdual messages from the GMF group.? If I wanted to start a new post for this group, or any group, I would click on the link at the bottom of the message called Group Home.? When that page loaded, I would click on Post from the menu on the left side of the page.? When the message form opens, then I would just write my message.
?
That part is pretty easy to do; but, I agree, it could be helpful to have a Help section.?
?
Donna
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Re: reply to sender/group

 

No objection to you having the ability to eliminate the "Reply to Sender" Button on the web interface.??? My only concern is that this needs to be a separate choice from simply setting the Reply to Group as the default.? Your original comments seemed to be wanting the Reply to Sender button disabled when you set the reply default to group -- THAT isn't acceptable -- but having a separate choice to disable/eliminate the button is a good idea.
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From: Ro
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2016 11:27 AM
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I dont quite understand anyone being against a group owner having the option to eliminate, for members, the Reply to Sender button.? Those owners that dont want to use such a option, neednt do so.? It needed affect any that dont want to use such a feature.?? Its really no different than the idea that you can set your group to Moderate or Not Moderate new messages.? Its about having the choice.? Freedom of choice, for the group owner, is the issue in this discussion.?? Yahoo doesnt have the Reply to Sender choice, yet one can certainly PM people.?? In this specific case, Yahoo has it over IO groups, IMO.??? I can see tho, that most dont feel the same way that I do so it will be probably a fruitless battle to suggest it in Beta.??? Perhaps not many people have been the recipient of as many misdirected "Reply to Sender" messages as I have, which I then have to forward to the group.?? 


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Re: Creating a How-To Guide for groups.io #howtoguide

 

I agree that how-to's and comprehensive help pages would be very useful

On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 3:15 AM, Daddy Dean <daddydean1@...> wrote:

Hi Forum,

While I have found to be easy to use, some of my older group members seem to think they are now in alien world, lost and with out hope.? Is there a simple" how to guide" I could send out to members?? I did look but did not see one as I have things for IO that I have been able to copy and paste to send to members.?

Tonight one could not figure how to start a new post so piggy backed off another person post. Least they made a post and got it out to the group but still.? I knew some would be a little disoriented, but not being able to figure how to start a new message in IO is beyond anything I would have guessed they could not figure out.? I can only guess they are so use to Yahoo where at the bottom of email message they had:?
Reply via web post ? Reply to sender ? Reply to group ? ? (5)

They are just lost with out the choice of starting a new topic as a footer on each email message.? They do not understand that if want to start? new topic from an email they simply need just to click group home and then post.? To add to some of this confusion some are using their new phones and tablets they really do not understand either.? So it is a double whammy to the learning curve. ?

Do you think asking Mark to add a Start a New Topic into the footer of emails would be possible?? It could be right after Group Home and I think would make things easier for some who are not good with computers to start with being more comfortable.

Thanks,

Dean



Re: Top Poster

 

Vickie,

I don't care to have members ID's visible on the group front page
after all what is the point of private to mod only the members list.
What's shown is the member's Display Name (a nickname he/she can set in his/her profile), or if they haven't set a Display Name the user name part of their email address.

One or the other will be visible on their messages as well.

That said, it might make sense to hide from members the Top Poster section of the home page if the group's Members list is hidden from members. Or maybe that should be a separate control.

Any advise?
Suggest it on beta@. I'd include "#homepage #members #suggestions" in the Subject line.

-- Shal
Re: Why are some post maked via Groups.io

 

Dean,

On my group some see that post have via Groups.io attached to their
emails. Why is this only on some emails and not all.
It's the DMARC thing. Some email services attempt to prevent delivery of messages from their users if the message did not come directly from one of their servers.[1] It is supposed to prevent spoofing (and phishing and other forms of fraud).

So for users of those services you will see

From: user via Groups.io <user=yahoo.com @ groups.io>
instead of the usual

From: Display Name <user @ example.com>
Modifying the email From address in this way side-steps the email service's instructions to reject messages that claim to have come from their service but didn't arrive directly (e.g. came via a list).

I know one member post twice, once post from with in the group
itself, and one wasa reply sent through her email account she where
she replied. Yet both has the via Groups.io
Hmm... That modification might not have been needed when posting using the group's pages. Not sure about that.

Another member who post should show
hername@... are coming as
hername-aol.com@...
Then it looks like AOL is a service that has set a "reject" policy for messages that pass through email lists. Yahoo Mail is also such a service, there may be others.

You may have noticed that Yahoo Groups does a similar modification, but they do it to all members' addresses, not just the ones that need it.


-- Shal
1: It is more complicated than that, but that's close enough for our purposes.
Re: Can a Yahoo Group be transferred without the member list?

 

You can create (and delete) your own subgroups. If you're the owner (or moderator with the correct permissions) you'll see an item in the left menu of your group named Subgroup with a plus sign to the left of it. Click on that and you're on your way!

Duane
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