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Thanks, Andy, that clears up a number of things.? Thanks in particular for the "Subgroups" tip.? Many things I couldn't make sense of make sense now!

Karl

On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 05:21 PM, CW Bill Rouse wrote:

I really got tired of dealing with this issue so now we do not accept Aplles's emails and have posted this on our main page:

Mark has made some changes that appear to have helped, but Apple is still doing things the way they want (and not telling him what that is).? The bouncing problem is totally uncoordinated as far as I can tell.? A person may bounce, then a message is delivered 5 minutes later.

Duane
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Lots of detailed information can be found in the Owners Manual and Members Manual.

Duane,

I really got tired of dealing with this issue so now we do not accept Aplles's emails and have posted this on our main page:
Your email:?I regret to inform you that if you have an Apple email (@icloud.com, @me.com, and @mac.com) your application will not be approved because Apple rejects emails from our groups.io server.?
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We were thrilled when groups.io appeared, and we moved several large groups dating from 2000, to groups.io from yahoo groups.

We also poked quite a few groups we weren't the owner/mod of, to encourage them to also move their groups to groups.io, and quite a few did, and they are nearly all quite happy with groups.io.

Looking at the group owners' manual, isn't asking the moon, and it's great that they HAVE a group owners' manual!

We were first doing groups before yahoo groups existed, Mark Fletcher had created groups and then yahoo subsumed them.

IMNSHO, groups.io is the best alternative to yahoo groups, that exists -- and I am very grateful to Mark for creating it!

And it's not perfect, but neither are we.? Gesine

To quote Ray Wylie Hubbard:

And the days that I keep my gratitude
Higher than my expectations
Well, I have really good days

Best,

Glenn

On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 01:23 PM, Paul Scott wrote:

How can this be fixed?

See the FAQ.

Duane
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Lots of detailed information can be found in the Owners Manual and Members Manual.

We were thrilled when groups.io appeared, and we moved several large groups dating from 2000, to groups.io from yahoo groups.

We also poked quite a few groups we weren't the owner/mod of, to encourage them to also move their groups to groups.io, and quite a few did, and they are nearly all quite happy with groups.io.

Looking at the group owners' manual, isn't asking the moon, and it's great that they HAVE a group owners' manual!

We were first doing groups before yahoo groups existed, Mark Fletcher had created groups and then yahoo subsumed them.

IMNSHO, groups.io is the best alternative to yahoo groups, that exists -- and I am very grateful to Mark for creating it!

And it's not perfect, but neither are we.? Gesine

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But I'm not aware of sending any spam.? I don't even remember reporting someone else's spam but I might have.

Many email apps, for some reason, place the Delete and Spam/Junk buttons right next to each other, it's easy to accidentally hit the wrong one, I've done that before, but most likely the ISP did it.? One suggestion, you should check your spam/junk folder maybe once a week and if you see any messages from groups.io in there mark them as not-spam/junk, and if this doesn't move them to the inbox, do it manually.? That should help train the filter to not put them there.? Also add groups.io or actual group address in your Safe Sender List or whitelist, that can also help.

The other owner has now reinvited me and will soon make me an owner again.

You already have another/backup owner so you're already ahead on this, but you can also add another email address of yours as another owner for your own immediately-available backdoor to the group when things go wrong.

Cheers,
Christos

Hey, my doctor was also slow. When I Brian open my mail program first thing in the morning, I don't get my Yahoo! Mail for like about an hour.

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AFAIK that link is long gone but I am now back as owner.

Thank you for all your help,

Paul

On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 07:41 PM, kharrisma@... wrote:

A new group was created within LifeRing, dealing with our literature,

Just to clarify the terminology, you have created a subgroup if it's within another group.

and many people seem to be having issues finding and joining it.? We post the link to the new group so people can sign up, and apparently some of us get right to the site and join with no issues, others have a new email opened up and pre-addressed to the new group, and still others get sent to the main LifeRing email groups page, where the new group is not listed.

Are the people who have issues members of your main group?? A person must belong to the main group in order to belong to a subgroup?

I've checked the group settings and Visibility *is* set to being visible within the parent group (which is probably a clue right there but I don't know where to take it), but it's still not listed in the email groups page.

If the subgroup setting is to be visible within the main group then you will find it under the Subgroups option on the left-side menu.?

?Is there any way I can get our groups to display in a "Tree" format, as is used in file management??? I'm not able to get any sense of which is the parent group, and what subgroups depend from that parent group, and which sub-subgroups depend from those sub groups.? If I could see something like that I think I'd have a better idea of what might be going on.

It would be a very small tree. A main group can have subgroups but a subgroup cannot have another subgroup within that.? If your left-side menu has a Subgroups option then that's the main group. That option will show you which subgroups you belong to and which ones you can join - based upon your subgroup visibility settings.

Regards
Andy

On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 07:58 PM, Paul Scott wrote:

The other owner has now reinvited me and will soon make me an owner again.

If you use the link in the email notification to say you have been removed, you can rejoin without assistance from anyone else.

Regards
Andy

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On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 07:43 PM, Paul Scott wrote:

But I'm not aware of sending any spam.?

The message doesn't say you did.

I don't even remember reporting someone else's spam but I might have.

As explained in the manual, there are different ways a message can be reported as spam.? Have you read that or followed the link to extra info in the GMF Wiki?

Yes.

The other owner has now reinvited me and will soon make me an owner again.

Thank you,

Paul

Regards
Andy

On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 07:43 PM, Paul Scott wrote:

But I'm not aware of sending any spam.?

The message doesn't say you did.

I don't even remember reporting someone else's spam but I might have.

As explained in the manual, there are different ways a message can be reported as spam.? Have you read that or followed the link to extra info in the GMF Wiki?

Regards
Andy

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On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 07:22 PM, Paul Scott wrote:

Why would I be removed from a group for reporting spam?

To protect Groups.io's reputation.? A detailed explanation is in the Member's Manual.

But I'm not aware of sending any spam.? I don't even remember reporting someone else's spam but I might have.

Thank you,

Paul

Regards
Andy

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Hi Folks,

A new group was created within LifeRing, dealing with our literature, and many people seem to be having issues finding and joining it.? We post the link to the new group so people can sign up, and apparently some of us get right to the site and join with no issues, others have a new email opened up and pre-addressed to the new group, and still others get sent to the main LifeRing email groups page, where the new group is not listed.

I've checked the group settings and Visibility *is* set to being visible within the parent group (which is probably a clue right there but I don't know where to take it), but it's still not listed in the email groups page.? I have admin permissions for this group, so everything I can think of to check takes me straight to that group, and I can't duplicate the issues anyone is having.

Trolling for ideas as to what I might be looking for, which settings to check, to see if I can get the group to show in the listing, and I'm also wondering if different people getting different results from the same link might be due to some browser settings, or from using different browsers?

Is there any way I can get our groups to display in a "Tree" format, as is used in file management??? I'm not able to get any sense of which is the parent group, and what subgroups depend from that parent group, and which sub-subgroups depend from those sub groups.? If I could see something like that I think I'd have a better idea of what might be going on.

Much appreciated!

On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 07:22 PM, Paul Scott wrote:

Why would I be removed from a group for reporting spam?

To protect Groups.io's reputation.? A detailed explanation is in the Member's Manual.

Regards
Andy

Sorry for the noise about not getting copies.? Maybe AOL was just slow.

Paul

Now I am not getting copies of emails to this list.

TIA for any help,

Paul