On Tue, Aug 8, 2023 at 05:42 PM, Norman Pierson wrote:

I'd like to drop the Main (and remove the LakeNorman) so I can use:

[email protected]

as my email address for potential new members

From what I read I think that will work, so that present members won't notice anything.? Does that make sense?
Will that in anyway change my site's URL?

Main indicates you have subgroups. However the word doesn't matter when typing in the address of the group URL.

You can rename the group. See
/helpcenter/ownersmanual/1/renaming-groups?single=true

Be sure to read the considerations and notes.?
Lots of places to change things, including your group notices.

Frances
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It's been a while since I've been to this forum.?
I have a question regarding changing my group's email address, without changing the group name.
Long ago when I started my group, I used the email address:

[email protected]


I'd like to drop the Main (and remove the LakeNorman) so I can use:

[email protected]

as my email address for potential new members

From what I read I think that will work, so that present members won't notice anything.? Does that make sense?
Will that in anyway change my site's URL?

Thanks!
Norm

On Mon, Aug 7, 2023 at 04:01 PM, Jim Allen wrote:

When will Mark be back to assist me?

See

Duane
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Lots of detailed information can be found in the Owners Manual and Members Manual.

When will Mark be back to assist me?

Jim Allen

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Oh, my message was meant for Arno.

Cheers,
Christos

Mon, 07 Aug 2023 10:24:24 -0700, "Christos Psarras" <christos@...>,
wrote:

On Mon, Aug 7, 2023 at 11:10 AM, Arno Martens wrote:

I was the ONLY owner in one group and, since the notification goes to the
registered owner (albeit to a non existing address), I cannot log in any
longer.

Have you tried logging into groups.io with the old address?? It may be non-existent anymore but unless if the groups.io account it was attached to was deleted, it's still there.
Cheers,
Christos

Yes, I have, see my reply to Frances just now.

Cheers,
Arno

Mon, 07 Aug 2023 09:40:33 -0700, "Frances" <frances@...>, wrote:

Arno, obviously your Rogers email address is going through okay with this group.
But to summarize, after changing ISP and email address, you have a group where you cannot log in as owner.
And you were the sole owner.

Correct.

Are you an owner or moderator of any other groups?

I am only an owner of the one group where I applied for membership with the new
Rogers address, made myself an Owner and then deleted the Sympatico address.
All other groups had disappeared and I applied for membership for those and got
it.

If you go online to Groups.io (any group including this one) and click on Groups.io or Your Groups in the blue nav bar, can you see the "lost group" as well as this group (GMF)?

No, the lost group does not show. GMF and all other subscribed groups are shown
and delivered to my Inbox, as available.
When I then clicked 'Login' it offered the original Sympatico and the gMail from
this mornings test. Entering the old Sympatico address it popped up the error
about bouncing. After un bouncing and trying again it come back as 'Your email
is incorrect'.

You mentioned a second email address. Did you mean that you have a second account that was a co-owner of your group?
Or just an Email Alias that allows you to send to the group?

No, no second account or alias.
This morning I attempted to change the Sympatico to my gMail address.

Have you tried the Email Me a link to log in?

Yes, but it then only shows me the groups to which I am subscribed.

Frances

On Mon, Aug 7, 2023 at 07:41 PM, Terry Ouimet wrote:

I forgot my password

Just use the 'Email me a link to login' option then click the link that is emailed to you. That will log you in you can reset your password from your Account screen.

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Andy

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On Mon, Aug 7, 2023 at 11:10 AM, Arno Martens wrote:

I was the ONLY owner in one group and, since the notification goes to the
registered owner (albeit to a non existing address), I cannot log in any longer.

Have you tried logging into groups.io with the old address?? It may be non-existent anymore but unless if the groups.io account it was attached to was deleted, it's still there.

Cheers,
Christos

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Hi Duane,

That has been our recommendation all along.

I will do another individual email blast this week.? Beyond that, I think removing them from the membership will finally get their attention.

Thank you all for the guidance.
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Mon, 07 Aug 2023 08:15:38 -0700, "Duane" <txpigeon@...>, wrote:

On Mon, Aug 7, 2023 at 10:06 AM, Art Kocsis wrote:

BTW: "Groups.io will never remove the last owner."

"will" is better replaced by "should". We all have experienced the
difference between what code "should do" and what actually can occur
(although at this point that would be quite rare). Greg D outlined one
such possibility.

Hasn't happened that I know of.? Mark has all sorts of interlocks to prevent the last owner from being removed.

Duane

Why did it happen to me?

Arno

Mon, 07 Aug 2023 07:51:43 -0700, "Art Kocsis via groups.io"
<ArtKoc@...>, wrote:

I propose a new category for group permissions: Founder.

A founder would have identical rights and permissions as a regular
group owner but with these differences:

? There can be only one founder per group
? Founder status can only be removed or transferred to another by a founder
? Founder status is automatically conferred onto the creator of a new group
? The existence of a founder is not required for a group

[ ... ]

BTW: "Groups.io will never remove the last owner."

"will" is better replaced by "should". We all have experienced the
difference between what code "should do" and what actually can occur

Art

If the Founder is no longer available how can the scenario of in fight amongst
several co-owners and deleting each other be prevented.
In my case the Founder disappeared after making me a moderator with limited
powers. Mark transferred the Yahoogroup in 2017 and made me the owner.

Unless I goofed up on something else, "should" instead of "will" is the reason
for the thread below.

"[GMF] Due to eMail change lost group where I was the only owner"

Arno

On Mon, Aug 7, 2023 at 12:28 PM, Arno Martens wrote:
Are you still having trouble logging in??
Yes, I do?

Did you sort it out?
No, I did not, that is why I posted here for help.

Arno, obviously your Rogers email address is going through okay with this group.

But to summarize, after changing ISP and email address, you have a group where you cannot log in as owner.
And you were the sole owner.?

You wrote:

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Mon, 07 Aug 2023 08:47:39 -0700, "Frances" <frances@...>, wrote:

2. Are you still having trouble logging in?

Yes, I do

?Did you sort it out?

No, I did not, that is why I posted here for help.

Arno

On Mon, Aug 7, 2023 at 11:06 AM, Art Kocsis wrote:

Not to be snarky but you could try to explicitly and completely answer the questions posed by people trying to help you. Such as:

? Are there other owners or moderators?
? Can you log onto Groups.io?
? What are the details of the SPAM removal message(s)?
? What can you do and not do with your group?
? Other questions that have been asked or other useful info

The OP has his subscription set to No Mail. This is not new, but I wanted to say that he may not see your suggestions unless he logs into his account.

Frances
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Two things:

1. The Member Help page has the info on changing email addresses.
/helpcenter/membersmanual/1/understanding-groups-io-accounts/setting-account-preferences-and-viewing-account-information?single=true

There are some important Notes in the section:

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Du| Mark has all sorts of interlocks
| to prevent the last owner from
| being removed.


But as we are witnessing, users
always find a creative way to
dodge these attempts to prevent
the last owner from lost control
of a group... :)

It's hard the life of a developer.


[ ] Rubens




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Mon, 07 Aug 2023 08:13:30 -0700, "Frances" <frances@...>, wrote:

Problem
I was the ONLY owner in one group and, since the notification goes to the
registered owner (albeit to a non existing address), I cannot log in any
longer.

Is this a new problem? Happening now?
Frances

No, it actually happened last year in October.
Became aware yesterday that all groups are changed at the same time. Changed
this morning to my gMail address in case I had used that as a second address and
saw, got notification that all were changed. Changed back again and started this
thread.

Arno