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Using GIFs as Cover Photos

 

On one of the groups I own I change the cover photo regularly -- doing whatever I can think of to entice more members to visit the website -- usually tied in with something being discussed. Today I decided to use a GIF snow scene. So far it displays just fine -- I use Firefox -- though I'm not sure it will display actively in every browser.

I wonder though, is there a downside to using GIFS as cover photos that I should be aware of?

tommy0421
Re: Subgroup for your own Moderator's Forum? #moderators

 

hi peeps,
For one of the groups I run, which has multiple moderators of differing levels of experience, we made a **separate** group, for us moderators.

Works well.?

Part of why we decided to make a separate group is, one of the mods is very un-savvy re tech/internet stuff, and we wanted to keep the "moderator discussion group" definitely separate than the group itself.? Gesine?
Re: Outlook problem #notworking #outlook #ratelimited #ipreputation

 

On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 01:47 PM, John Hawkridge wrote:
It seems that Outlook filters our messages because of the volume coming from Groups IO.

Is there a fix for this?
The main fix is to contact Outlook and vigorously complain about them throttling groups.io messages.

Presumably, good money is being paid in the expectation that desired emails will be delivered. People sign up for this service, and have every right to expect the resulting messages to passed along.?Any concern that some of them "might" be spam is entirely secondary to that.

And it's not unique to Outlook...this same argument applies to Roadrunner and Spectrum and ComCast and AOL and any other provider who periodically operates under the mistaken notion that they are "protecting" their clients by failing to deliver their posts.

If they fail to act on his complaints, the best (and perhaps only) course of action is to vote with his dollars, and find someone else to provide email service for him.

This may sound harsh, but it's become very much like a broken record...the same problem keeps recurring with the same providers, over and over again, and as a result there's a steady stream of folks with good intentions coming here in the hope that groups.io will somehow fix it. They cannot.

Regards,
Bruce
Re: Completely edit default messages for invites, direct add, etc

 

On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 07:26 PM, Events events wrote:
Okay, I understand that I have to keep the boiler plate words. ?I will add some words of my own when I figure out how to make them a permanent part of my new default messages. ?A question that comes up is: can I choose to put them where ever I want or do the added words always go in a specific place? Thanks for your understanding of a new and not particularly tech-savvy user.
Paul, it is fairly straightforward.

Go to Admin, Settings, and choose the Member Notices button.

Click on New Notice (blue button below the list)

Use the dropdown menu to choose Invite. (The menu is under Notice Type, Welcome).

I just did it again in my test group and I liked Shal's suggestion of putting a horizontal line first. Open the three bar hamburger menu to see all the editing tools.
Click on the horizontal line. (3rd one on the second line)

Type whatever you want to add to the message. Notice you can change the text size, font, colour, etc.

If you are using the style to separate your text, put in another horizontal line.

And then click on Add Notice. This saves it.

When you are ready to invite someone, pick this invitation.

Note, you can have more than one invite notice. And you can change the heading - Invite to main group, perhaps. Or invite mentioning blah blah subgroup.
Whatever works for you.

Frances

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Re: Completely edit default messages for invites, direct add, etc

 

Okay, I understand that I have to keep the boiler plate words. ?I will add some words of my own when I figure out how to make them a permanent part of my new default messages. ?A question that comes up is: can I choose to put them where ever I want or do the added words always go in a specific place? Thanks for your understanding of a new and not particularly tech-savvy user.
paul
Re: Message search by numbers

 

Hi Shal,

In stumbling around the various options, first I tried Admin./Activity/Message activity. The first ¡°sort¡± shown was only messages posted since the migration to Groups.io numbered #1 (10/30/19). The page index at the bottom said 1-100 of 715. But somehow message #123 showed up on this page. (???)

Now when I go there I see that following message #25 is message #53503 with message #53574 being the last showing. Clearly these are not assigned numbers according to date and time, but mostly by ¡°Topic¡± and THEN date and time (sigh). Due to ¡°subject drift¡± I find ¡°topic¡± only useful in finding the start of a particular ¡°thread¡± after which a date-sequence presentation is better to follow up with when researching aircraft maintenance, etc. topics (which often recur anew over the years).

If I instead forget Admin. And just go to ¡°Messages¡± I get a presentation that appears to be message numbers sequentially assigned by topic/date/time, latest first. Clicking on ¡°Date¡± it reverses the sequencer to oldest first. For the great majority of messages, this IS a "sort by message number" presentation.

For reference purposes, that works (primarily because of the ¡°Msg #¡± box for lookup. That jumps one to a given message someone else uses as a reference MUCH quicker than plowing forward or backward (even at 100/page without unlimited scroll).

Best!

WRB

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On Jan 11, 2020, at 3:31 PM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:

WRB,

Presumably those, too, have been assigned a ¡°message number¡±. How
would one similarly view and search those by message number?
At the time of the import, the imported messages would be assigned sequential numbers, starting at one greater than any message already posted in the group. New messages after the import would continue sequentially from there.

Once you open one of the imported messages, you can page through them by message number. But I don't know of any way to get a list of messages by message number rather than date order.

I presume a request to include message numbers in above sequential
date and time listing would go to Beta?
Correct. Sort by number would be a new option on the Messages list.

Shal
Re: Subgroup for your own Moderator's Forum? #moderators

 

Most mail programs have a feature where mail can be sent to more than one address at a time, i.e., a group of sorts.? Unless there are many, many mods, wouldn't it be easy enough for each mod to have such a group [example:? mygroupmods, which would open to a listing of a number? addresses in each address book]????? I've used group sends often on various lists, such as a book club, and all that's required is that each person responding does so using "reply all."

Certainly someone chosen to act as a moderator should be able to do that with little difficulty, and unless there are files involved, communication is a snap!

No setting up of extra sub-groups, just a simple address list on the mods' own computers.

Sandy

At 01:32 PM 1/11/2020, you wrote:

Bryan,

While the idea itself is sound, IMO, using a subgroup for this would really depend on how many mods you have and whether you want to have any conversations, attachments, files, photos, etc, archived for later reference or reuse when a new mod comes in, etc; if yes, a (private) subgroup would work great with all the features GIO has, although keep in mind that if you don't already have a subgroup already, there are some addressing changes that take place as stated.

Taking into account the caveats already been stated, if you don't care about archiving anything or have maybe a few mods, it'll be less work just doing it through an email list; or use the +owner address as suggested, but keep in mind in this case, in order for this to work effectively, all mods will have to have the receive owner email to ON otherwise this scheme will not work well.

Cheers,
Christos

Re: GIO changes from Mark

 

Thanks. It is a learning curve.

I have a different question on how to set a profile on a sub-group that is different from the profile on a primary group ( reflecting different roles). As far as I have found it is possible for owners to do this, but not for ordinary members. Should that be a new topic?

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Shal Farley
Sent: 11 January 2020 23:39
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GMF] GIO changes from Mark

Jeff,

> If we set the main group as an 'announcement group' so that only > owners and moderators can post to it, and set 'Disable No Email' that > should mean that everyone on any sub-group should get receive any > emails sent on it. Have I got that right?

In that case if you post it as a special notice it will be sent to everyone on the primary group. And that's true regardless of whether the primary group is set to Announcement Group.

"Receive" is somewhat more slippery, as a given member's email service may reject a given message, or deliver it to Spam, or the member may fail to notice or open it. There's nothing really to be done about those factors.

> That should mean that the everyday business of discussion, questions > and replies can be carried on in sub-groups.

Sure.

That's true of the primary group as well, if you want to allow some discussions there that transcend the focus of any given subgroup.

Too, subgroups can have Special Notices of their own, if need be.

Shal
Re: GIO changes from Mark

 

Jeff,

If we set the main group as an 'announcement group' so that only
owners and moderators can post to it, and set 'Disable No Email' that
should mean that everyone on any sub-group should get receive any
emails sent on it. Have I got that right?
In that case if you post it as a special notice it will be sent to everyone on the primary group. And that's true regardless of whether the primary group is set to Announcement Group.

"Receive" is somewhat more slippery, as a given member's email service may reject a given message, or deliver it to Spam, or the member may fail to notice or open it. There's nothing really to be done about those factors.

That should mean that the everyday business of discussion, questions
and replies can be carried on in sub-groups.
Sure.

That's true of the primary group as well, if you want to allow some discussions there that transcend the focus of any given subgroup.

Too, subgroups can have Special Notices of their own, if need be.

Shal


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Re: GIO changes from Mark

dave w
 

I personally don't see any problems with the change; it may be that 'sub-groups' were a way to avoid the limits on storage. I dont know for sure; but it seems reasonable to actually limit free access if that is why.
regards d
Re: GIO changes from Mark

 

Thanks, Shal
If we set the main group as an 'announcement group' so that only owners and moderators can post to it, and set 'Disable No Email' that should mean that everyone on any sub-group should get receive any emails sent on it. Have I got that right?
That should mean that the everyday business of discussion, questions and replies can be carried on in sub-groups.

Jeff

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Shal Farley
Sent: 11 January 2020 23:15
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GMF] GIO changes from Mark

Jeff,

What Malcolm and Frances said: the subgroups operate as independent groups, except that each subgroup member must also be a member of the primary group. Messages posted only to one do not post to the other.

So the messages a subgroup member receives will depend on their subscription settings in each of the subgroup and the primary group.

Shal


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Re: GIO changes from Mark

 

Jeff,

What Malcolm and Frances said: the subgroups operate as independent groups, except that each subgroup member must also be a member of the primary group. Messages posted only to one do not post to the other.

So the messages a subgroup member receives will depend on their subscription settings in each of the subgroup and the primary group.

Shal


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Re: GIO changes from Mark

 

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Not Shal, but delivery of messages for individual members are governed by their own subscription.

So if someone is ¡°no mail¡± or special notices only for the main group, they will not receive them.?

Since all subgroup members must be members of the main group, they have the capability of receiving them. They may not choose to.

Frances

On Jan 11 20, at 5:39 PM, Jeff Coleman via Groups.Io <jeff.coleman@...> wrote:

Shal?
Can you confirm that a message sent out on a Main group will automatically reach everyone on all sub-groups?


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Re: GIO changes from Mark

 

If I understand the system correctly, it's not possible to be in a subgroup without also being in the main group. That said, it does seem possible to receive subgroup emails but set nomail for the main group emails.

Malcolm.
Re: GIO changes from Mark

 

Shal
Can you confirm that a message sent out on a Main group will automatically reach everyone on all sub-groups?

thanks
Jeff

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Shal Farley
Sent: 11 January 2020 21:15
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GMF] GIO changes from Mark

June,

> I hate the idea of rushing to create a whole bunch of subgroups which > may or may not be actually be needed in the future but at the moment I > don't see any alternative.

There is no need.

Your primary group was created before the 15th, so its ability to create new subgroups will be "grandfathered in" - not just the specific subgroups you have now.


Shal


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Re: Outlook problem #notworking #outlook #ratelimited #ipreputation

 

John,

Their delivery log shows: "451 4.7.650 The mail server [xxxxxxxxx] has
been temporarily rate limited due to IP reputation."
Presumably the IP address cited was 66.175.222.12, Groups.io's outbound server.

It seems that Outlook filters our messages because of the volume
coming from Groups IO.
This wouldn't be a function of their email application, unless that is also their email service. "Outlook" is confusing in this regard because the name could mean either or both.

Is there a fix for this?
The member needs to find a way to tell their email service not to rate limit messages from Groups.io. Message rejection and rate limiting is not usually something that the user can affect directly by means of address book entries or filters or otherwise; so it would likely require an appeal to the service's customer support to review Groups.io and treat it as a "trusted" sender ("whitelist" it).

Or failing that choose a better email service.

Shal


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Re: GIO changes from Mark

 

Duane,

It appears the 20GB storage change has taken affect, as my group now shows the increase.

Don
Re: member activity history

 

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Chris,

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Well yes, although I would be interested to know what you plan to do with it once you find it! FWIW I usually have a quick look when anyone leaves just to see how active they were previously and the usual finding is "not very"!

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I explained in my last mail to Duane why we want to know who is the member who left. We upload quite a lot of stuff concerning members and their animals. And I was quite surprised there isn?t the same activity history concerning structural facts like joining, changing mail adresses or display names etc. With yahoo it was all listed at one klick. But groups.io has so many superior features that it?s not really an issue. It would just have been nice to have.


Starting with the email notification of someone having left, copy the email address of the person concerned. Then go to Admin > Activity and paste that into the box above Date faintly filled with "Search" (which will disappear). I usually search for "All Actions" which produces a list of everything the person did. If you want to limit the search to messages posted then select Sent Message in the Actions box.

If you want to search more generally (in terms of members who have left) then leave the Search box empty and select "Left" as the Actions. This will bring up a list of all those who have left... unsurprisingly. At this point it can become tedious as any person you want to investigate further has to be copied and pasted into the full Activity log for a further search on their individual activity.

One point; I don't know if this is true of Premium and Enterprise Groups but while a departed member's group messages are stored any messages to +Owner are not.

Another point, but one not limited to those who have left is that the Activity Log will maintain a record of uploaded Files & Photos, but links to uploaded photos fail if the photo name was edited after the upload. The same "fail" will occur if a created album name is edited as well; I haven't put it to the test but I would not be surprised if similar "fails" arise with uploaded files. There is no obvious workaround for this, at least not one that I have found yet... but then I haven't actively researched it, and currently have no plans to do so!

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This is a lot of information. Thanks

Victoria
Re: Message search by numbers

 

WRB,

Presumably those, too, have been assigned a ¡°message number¡±. How
would one similarly view and search those by message number?
At the time of the import, the imported messages would be assigned sequential numbers, starting at one greater than any message already posted in the group. New messages after the import would continue sequentially from there.

Once you open one of the imported messages, you can page through them by message number. But I don't know of any way to get a list of messages by message number rather than date order.

I presume a request to include message numbers in above sequential
date and time listing would go to Beta?
Correct. Sort by number would be a new option on the Messages list.

Shal


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Re: New owner help please #howto

 

On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 03:04 PM, June Genis wrote:
Can this be done at the main group level only or can Albums be created at the sub-group level as well?
Think of each group or subgroup as independent.? The only qualifier is that all subgroup members must be members of the main group.? Otherwise, they mostly have all the same options, such as Files, Photos, etc.

One word of warning:? It's best not to use a direct link to a photo within an album.? It would look something like /g/GROUPNAME/photo/233654/1, but? the 1 on the end can change if other photos are added or removed.? There are requests in to make these links static, but we don't know when or if that will happen.? Best to point to the album, /g/GROUPNAME/album?id=233654, and describe the photo, by name it's a good one.

Duane
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