Hi everyone, A member of a group I moderate has trouble sending photos to the group. His image just ends up as a jpeg id. I thought I would try to write simple instructions - this isn't in the wiki as far as I can see. However I don't have instructions for Androids.
This is assuming that your group allows you to send photos.
By Email
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iPhone using email
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If you use your email to send a photo, you need to do it as you usually do - start the email, find the insert photo command on your phone (on iPhone, you need to click in the body to get the cursor then click the arrow on the black bar to get to Insert command.
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If you try to type under the photo, you will leave a blank white space in your email.
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Your photo will be below the email footers in the Apple email.
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From the website:
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Click for new topic. Or reply to another photo if appropriate.
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Use the Add Photo icon from the toolbar.
Or you might be able to drag and drop.
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Use Add Attachment icon if you are trying to attach a file.
Post as usual.
Your photo will end up in the place you put it.
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Posting on iPhone from the website
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Same as on a computer, but you also have an option to take a photo, then use photo.
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Click on New Topic.
Write your post before you add the photo.
Click on Photo icon.
Click on the file folder icon.
Click on Take Photo or Video.
Or click on Photo Library for a photo you have or Browse if it is a document.
Click on Use Photo. Or Retake.
Click on Add.
The photo will end up in the place you put it, in the body of the email.
Please review - update - correct.
Add instructions for Android phones?
Frances
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Re: Notice For a Message Needing Approval (i.e.: New Users Moderated)
This topic has been split (and appropriately, I might add).? ?It would be really helpful, when that happens, for the moderators to note such and post the link to the spin-off topic:?? How much help do members need, and what kind??I almost missed it entirely, and while the back references to this topic are contained in it, the forward reference in any topic from which another is spun-off should be, too. -- Brian
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Re: How much help do members need, and what kind?
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I like to help edit the GMF wiki. I can point people to it or specific spots when they have a problem. Any member of GMF can help edit. It is a joint effort.
Parts are for owners or moderators and parts are geared towards users. I don¡¯t have to reinvent the wheel when someone asks the same question!
You don¡¯t need to be a member of GMF or even of ?to read it.
What I am looking for now is simple instructions for users on sending photos. I will send my draft - needs review / editing / perhaps correcting!
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How much help do members need, and what kind?
Actually Iv'e gained and not lost members on my list, but they normally mod themselves I've only had to crack down now about 3 or 4 times in the almost 20 years Iv'e had ownership of the list. They. can read the welcome message and rules and if they don't agree they there's the door. But tha'ts just me. The list is as smooth as butter, or what ever the expression is in 2019. Lol!
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[In GMF #16973] On 5 Jun 2019, at 2:34, Tommy Meehan wrote:
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I don't take the time to help anybody
If everyone felt that way this particular group wouldn't exist. That isn't a very friendly attitude and I find it kind of extreme but not especially unusual. Owners/moderators who are cantankerous and unfriendly has always seemed to me to be the down side of these groups. They don't like dealing with members and guess what? Members usually don't like dealing with them, either.
I am willing to take a few minutes to help one of the members of the groups I own/moderate. That would seem to be one of the main reasons for being a moderator; a willingness to get involved and being willing to help someone. It usually doesn't take much effort.
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Re: How much help do members need, and what kind?
On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 07:13 AM, Tommy Meehan wrote:
I don't take the time to help anybody
That statement was made in a very specific context, which you have chosen to ignore. There are a great many who take the entirely reasonable position that if I've provided you with the information you're asking for, and you haven't bothered to even read it, that additional assistance is not indicated.? I will help by pointing out that the member has an obligation to actually do that reading, and that's really the best help I can give them. Context matters. ? -- Brian
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How much help do members need, and what kind?
I don't take the time to help anybody
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If everyone felt that way this particular group wouldn't exist. That isn't a very friendly attitude and I find it kind of extreme but not especially unusual. Owners/moderators who are cantankerous and unfriendly has always seemed to me to be the down side of these groups. They don't like dealing with members and guess what? Members usually don't like dealing with them, either. I am willing to take a few minutes to help one of the members of the groups I own/moderate. That would seem to be one of the main reasons for being a moderator; a willingness to get involved and being willing to help someone. It usually doesn't take much effort. tommy0421
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Re: Notice For a Message Needing Approval (i.e.: New Users Moderated)
Shal and all on this thread (too names to remember),
Thanks for all the help and
suggestions. I will follow the advice given a few times now and
write something about first messages being moderated on the
"welcome" message. Let's see if it works (I really hope so).
Shal,
a criticism I think is valid is that one
probably would not want to receive that message again for every
moderated post. So I'd include in the proposed feature that it
be a one-time notice for each subscriber, the first time they
email a message and it is held for moderation.
Yep, when I thought about making this suggestion I also thought
about something being sent one (and only one) time, but I guess
that if this suggestion is accepted, Mark won't do something other
than that. It doesn't seem logical to have this message being sent
more than once at all.
Cheers,
AKA Starboy
Sent from a galaxy far, far away.
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Re: Notice For a Message Needing Approval (i.e.: New Users Moderated)
Brian, By the way, and unrelated, I could have sworn there was a way to
subscribe to a group via the web interface, but if there is ... I am
now failing to find it. You need to be looking just above the Message History table, on the home page of a group where you are /not/ (yet) a member. If you are a member of the group it says "You are subscribed to this group." at the very bottom of the home page instead. Which reminds me, the other thing one can see on the group's home page is a list of Group Settings, including those relating to moderation of member's posts. Shal -- Help: /static/helpMore Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiEven More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list
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Re: Notice For a Message Needing Approval (i.e.: New Users Moderated)
Marcio, Is there a way of setting up a message to be sent to a person that is
needing approval before they can be unmoderated? If there's no way of
doing it yet, could it be a nice feature to be suggested? I think that's a good idea. This topic has drifted a bit today but a criticism I think is valid is that one probably would not want to receive that message again for every moderated post. So I'd include in the proposed feature that it be a one-time notice for each subscriber, the first time they email a message and it is held for moderation. I could create a notice to messages needing approval, I guess, but it
would be triggered whenever someone is needing to be approved (which
include moderated members), that's why I don't like this idea. I think this would fit within the existing Member Notices structure. A type of Member Notice that is sent once, at the first emailed post by each member that is held for moderation. It could have a default wording but be fully customizable; like the Welcome member notice. I would apply this for any reason that the member's post is moderated, whether a member's first emailed message is to a fully moderated group like GMF, or to a group with New User Moderation. But the text of the notice would likely need to be tailored to the group's settings and practices. Shal -- Help: /static/helpMore Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiEven More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list
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On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 05:04 PM, Chris Jones wrote:
In fact, (again IMHO) your sentence That information is contained in the welcome message, which you are expected to have read in its entirety before asking anything else should be extended to include the group wiki, although expecting anyone to fully absorb the GMF wiki might be somewhat optimisitic. :)
I disagree with the Wiki part (not so much here, but in general).? There are certain things that are not, shall we say, gracefully implemented, and the Wiki is one of them.? Also, there seems to be a complete disconnect between "the e-mail world" and "the forums world" as far as what can be expected for a user to consult.? But everyone, regardless of their preferred interface method, gets a welcome message and good group owners compose one that serves as a welcome greeting as well as clearly laying out the group rules.? These should be saved for precisely that purpose (though they often aren't, and I certainly didn't save the one from GMF, which is why I unsubscribed and resubscribed today - so I would get a fresh copy of the welcome e-mail). By the way, and unrelated, I could have sworn there was a way to subscribe to a group via the web interface, but if there is (other than by sending an e-mail, which isn't the web interface) I am now failing to find it.? I didn't think I'd joined most groups via sending an e-mail message, but it's been a while, so perhaps I'm mistaken.
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Re: Notice For a Message Needing Approval (i.e.: New Users Moderated)
For my curiosity, I just unsubscribed then resubscribed to GMF.
The welcome message is very clearly written and states:??All messages sent to GMF are moderated.
I seem to recall that the Groups.io default is "first message moderated" for all group members, unless the owner changes it.? One can, of course, keep a new member on moderation for as long as one wants if you just approve the message but don't unmoderate them at the same time.
It is only sensible to state in the group welcome message that new members are moderated until the group owner(s) or moderator(s) take them off that status.? Mentioning that this is typically after the first post if it is on-topic and follows group rules, but not always, doesn't hurt, either.
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So it¡¯s happening¡ is there a solution? Anyone?
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On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 05:25 PM, Rob Bulnes wrote:
Have my group set to no resizing, but in trying to upload a couple of video files (over 500 mb) the site seems to lock up.
Any suggestions?
I've run into this problem too, using files much smaller than that. I don't think there's a size limit per se, but the upload just times out. See? /g/GroupManagersForum/topic/30953352#16050?for a recent discussion of this. Regards, Bruce? -- The system Help is your friend.?? /static/help
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Re: Notice For a Message Needing Approval (i.e.: New Users Moderated)
I cannot recall what the welcome message from this group contains, but it's Home Page, under Group Settings, clearly states:? Posts to this group require approval from the moderators.
That means each and every post.? I, for one, would not want a message coming back to me each time I send a message to this group as I already know this.? If the message is posted via the web interface there is a little green box that appears above it saying it will "go live" (I can't recall the exact phrasing) once approved by the moderators.? That's unobtrusive and not an imposition on my time like getting unnecessary e-mail messages, and having to deal with same, is. --
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On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 06:19 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Obviously, I get an e-mail message for any of the above since each one is checked.
Indeed you do, but as Leeni pointed out that is not the issue here; a member who has submitted a post that is awaiting moderation is not notified of this process, and IMHO should not need to be for the reasons you stated in your previous post. In fact, (again IMHO) your sentence That information is contained in the welcome message, which you are expected to have read in its entirety before asking anything else should be extended to include the group wiki, although expecting anyone to fully absorb the GMF wiki might be somewhat optimisitic. :) Chris
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I agree. This is why i don't really take he time to help anybody. It's called RTFM and I don't mean manual. I will admit I do skim but I tke note of the importent parts such as moderation etc etc etc.
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On 4 Jun 2019, at 10:11, Brian Vogel wrote:
People who don't bother to read group descriptions, welcome messages, and rules don't deserve much of any consideration, in my opinion. There is no other way to communicate with potential members other than these, and when you take the time to have put it in writing, there's nothing else you should do. It is the responsibility of any potential member of a cyber community to both read pre-subscription/posting information and to take the time to get the "lay of the land" in a given venue before diving in as though they own the place.? ?Any complaints that come because someone didn't read the welcome message, or similar, should be responded to with, "That information is contained in the welcome message, which you are expected to have read in its entirety before asking anything else." ? --
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Re: Notice For a Message Needing Approval (i.e.: New Users Moderated)
I?get messages saying I have to approve a member's email in my group when they are on moderation, ?but I don't get a message?when I send to a group that has me on moderation. I just don't see my email coming back to me or to the group until I get approved.
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All messages in this group?are being moderated before they pass them through and I have never received a notice telling me that any message I send is pending approval.
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Date: 06/04/19 11:13:24
Subject: Re: [GMF] Notice For a Message Needing Approval (i.e.: New Users Moderated)
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I don't send them anything, I leave it to figure it out. By the way I do receive an email if my message needs approval so I dunno why your members don't.
Take care
Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP.
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Re: Notice For a Message Needing Approval (i.e.: New Users Moderated)
By the way, if you are an owner or moderator, in the Subscription page for your group, you will have a section entitled Notifications that contains the following checkboxes:
Email when there are messages needing approval.
Email when there are members needing approval.
Email when a member joins/leaves this group.
Email when group storage limits are reached.
Email when someone reports a message.
Obviously, I get an e-mail message for any of the above since each one is checked.
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On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 06:35 AM, Chris Jones wrote:
Regrettably he had a point when he said It won't help for those people that don't read the messages but it is a perfectly viable solution to the problem you wish to resolve, and avoids landing Mark with additional work which IMHO should not be necessary anyway.
People who don't bother to read group descriptions, welcome messages, and rules don't deserve much of any consideration, in my opinion. There is no other way to communicate with potential members other than these, and when you take the time to have put it in writing, there's nothing else you should do. It is the responsibility of any potential member of a cyber community to both read pre-subscription/posting information and to take the time to get the "lay of the land" in a given venue before diving in as though they own the place.? ?Any complaints that come because someone didn't read the welcome message, or similar, should be responded to with, "That information is contained in the welcome message, which you are expected to have read in its entirety before asking anything else." ? --
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I don't send them anything, I leave it to figure it out. By the way I do receive an email if my message needs approval so I dunno why your members don't.
Take care
Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP.
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I also send the members a pending application they need to fill out before I approve them. You can do that too and have that statement in that application.?I have the members initial each rule. Now again that is too easy too because they can initial without reading or understanding BUT if they come back to me saying why didn't my email go through right away - I can always refer them back to the paper they initialed which they should have read explaining it all.?
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Date: 6/4/2019 10:09:34 AM
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On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 03:14 PM, Marcio wrote:
would like to know if there was any other way of letting the person know about their message needing aproval
They could, of course have a look at your group's home page where there is a list of Group Settings that include the use of moderation. At the same time if members used the web UI they would find that any post that requires moderation will result in a banner at the top advising them of the fact. IMO it is far, far too easy for people to sign up to a group without ever looking at the "rules and regulations" or having a good look around the web UI to find out what's what and then complain that they don't understand why "something happened" or "didn't happen" as the case may be. Speaking purely personally I will offer individual members some help, but I draw the line at nurse - maiding them; if they aren't prepared to try to find out for themselves why should I (or anyone else) have to put time and effort into doing everything for them? Perhaps I'm getting old and grumpy... :) In your position I would take up Duane's suggestion and put it in the Welcome Message; it will only take a few seconds to do and with luck it will reduce the number of times the question arises, hopefully to zero. Chris
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Re: HOW CAN SOMEONE SHARE IN A GROUP IF THEY ARE NOT A MEMBER?
On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 04:29 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
I agree with Shal that the first question to be answered is whether the offensive message actually appears in the online message archive. If not, then whoever sent it was spoofing the group address, not posting to it.
If this was caused by spoofing the group address then there has to be a risk that the material was not just "porn" but that it also contained a software nasty of some sort. I would suggest advising your members not to click on any links in any further suspect messages in case they contain a malicious payload. If they have their own virus protection then (hopefully) everything will be OK, but... Chris
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