Shal,
Couldn't he
Log into the group online at Yahoo
Use the Chrome App to copy the entire membership? list.
Delete all of the Bounced members from the list
Find all of the moderators and owners.
Email all of them separately to see if he could get them to elevate him to do the transfer or work with him to do the transfer

Lacking results from his email to moderators and owners he could start a group.
Email all current members invitations to join at groups.io with a full explanation

or

Start a premium group.
Direct install all members from the Yahoo group
Change his group to Free
Send a special notice to all members of the groups.io group.

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Could you send a message to owner, that would then be received by moderators, asking that a moderator respond back to you?
HTH, Bob S

First of all I do not know who the owner is.? I do not know who any moderators are if other than the owner.? I have sent messages to the canned yahoo owner email which goes unanswered as do all of my messages to the group while I wait for someone to approve my message (never happens).? This has been happening for over 2 years now so the group is definitely orphaned.? The group started in 2002.? I found 3 messages from the owner to the group asking for 2 or 3 backup moderators.? I was not a member then.? I saw one message from one member volunteering but saw no reply.? I found a partial address in the yahoo message for the person volunteering as backup moderator.? I duckduckgo'd him and got a google groups message that had...his domain as part of their truncated email address.? I have sent him a message but no reply.? In short,? I can't find out who really is the owner and/or moderators and that is the problem, or at least a good start on solving the problem.

On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 04:33 pm, Jim Higgins wrote:

Jim (the "other" one) ;-)

As Shal said, this could be VERY tedious. In my old YGroups maybe at most 1 in 500 messages.

As a maybe shortcut... if you have a number of group messages saved on your home computer, you can use a local global search tool to search your email archive for that group for "X-eGroups-Approved-By:" and maybe find it a lot faster and easier.

You might also do a search on the group for terms like "Moderator" or "Owner" in hopes that was part of the signature or other identification in a message from the Moderator.

I did that already.? I came up with 4 messages from owner to group asking for backup moderators in 2006 ad 3 are linked here:




I sent a message to the volunteer asking if he got the position.? I was surprised that the email did not bounce after 12 years so there might be hope but it could also be an abandoned address like my charter.net address.? It took a bit of doing to get his address.? Yahoo truncates the domain.? Searching the volunteer's name and part of email got me a google groups message by him and google truncates part of the user address but gives the domain name (?) so I did send an email to him so we will see but suspect that it is a loosing battle.

Thank you.
Jim

Good luck!

73 de Jim, KB3PU

On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 06:15 am, Bruce Bowman wrote:

I don't think there's a pending transfer process, since the 'In Process' box is empty now.

The 'In Process' box always looks empty. You have to click in it.
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On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 01:15 am, Heijo Alting wrote:

Hi Bruce,

Thanks for your help. Both on my first (aborted) and second (current) attempt I only entered the group name without domain info or any other symbols. I don't think there's a pending transfer process, since the 'In Process' box is empty now.

How can I solve this?

?Heijo,

What is the URL for the Yahoo group? Perhaps there is something unusual about the name.

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On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 01:15 am, Heijo Alting wrote:

Thanks for your help. Both on my first (aborted) and second (current) attempt I only entered the group name without domain info or any other symbols. I don't think there's a pending transfer process, since the 'In Process' box is empty now.

How can I solve this?

You have created a new group here to receive the content, right? That's Step 0 of the instructions.

Failing that, I think we will need a screenshot of the error message that you're getting.

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Hi Bruce,

Thanks for your help. Both on my first (aborted) and second (current) attempt I only entered the group name without domain info or any other symbols. I don't think there's a pending transfer process, since the 'In Process' box is empty now.

How can I solve this?

Received from Robert Schechter at 7/8/2018 12:04 AM UTC:

Could you send a message to owner, that would then be received by moderators, asking that a moderator respond back to you?
HTH, Bob S

Yes, and the messages you've been sending to owner have already been received by any moderator set up to get them without any response. But it can't hurt to try again.

Jim H

Tom,

As I understand it, when a member is transferred from Yahoo and the
member is already a member of the new group, their settings are not
changed. But what happens to messages associated with that member,
which I assume is keyed on the email address? ...
So after the transfer will Joe have 110 messages?

Correct, 110. The copied messages are also attributed to the already-present member.

Also, do I understand correctly that messages who's author is no
longer in the Yahoo group will be assigned to whoever initiated the
transfer?

No. That is said to be the case for uploaded content (files, photos, etc.). Messages for no-longer-present addresses show the person's Display Name in the messages list, and that plus the email address when you open the message. But they end up attributed to no one; that is, they have no "All Posts By This Member" function.

Which, come to think on it, is a little rude. It means that there's no systematic way to find them all until and unless Groups.io implements the ability to search messages based on the From address. Maybe they should have an "All Posts By This Non (or Former) Member" function.

I searched for answers to both these questions, but could not find
anything. If you can point me to any documentation on this it would
be helpful.

I haven't seen any. Most of what's known authoritatively is from posts by Mark in beta. My answers above are from observations made in one of my groups that transferred from Yahoo.

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As I understand it, when a member is transferred from Yahoo and the member is already a member of the new group, their settings are not changed. ?But what happens to messages associated?with that member, which I assume is keyed on the email address?

Example: ?Joe@...?is a member of the new group before the transfer starts, and he is also a member of the Yahoo group with the same email address. ?Joe has 10 messages in the new group, and 100 in the Yahoo group, all tied to his email address. ?So after the transfer will Joe have 110 messages?

Also, do I understand correctly?that messages who's?author is no longer in the Yahoo group will be assigned to whoever initiated the transfer?

I searched for answers to both these questions, but could not find anything. ?If you can point me to any documentation on this it would be helpful.

Peace,
Tom

Could you send a message to owner, that would then be received by moderators, asking that a moderator respond back to you?
HTH, Bob S

Received from Shal Farley at 7/7/2018 09:32 PM UTC:

Jim,

My main question was just "how do I find out who the moderator is/was"?

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Scroll down (or search) to find a field (line) that starts: X-eGroups-Approved-By:

Jim (the "other" one) ;-)

As Shal said, this could be VERY tedious. In my old YGroups maybe at most 1 in 500 messages.

As a maybe shortcut... if you have a number of group messages saved on your home computer, you can use a local global search tool to search your email archive for that group for "X-eGroups-Approved-By:" and maybe find it a lot faster and easier.

You might also do a search on the group for terms like "Moderator" or "Owner" in hopes that was part of the signature or other identification in a message from the Moderator.

Good luck!

73 de Jim, KB3PU

Pam,

as to trying to download the pdf anyway and having it work it was a
blank page. even the single page document came up that way.

Odd.

For me Edge (on Win10 Pro, version 1803) reliably opens PDF files from my Group's File list in-browser - it does not prompt me to download them. I think to download the file I'd have to use the Save function from within the PDF page's toolbar. That includes the PDF file I uploaded with Edge by ignoring the thumbnail error.

For most other file types (JPG, TXT, etc.) it gives me a prompt "What do you want to do with [filename]?" with buttons for Open, Save or Cancel.

Some of this behavior is no doubt configurable, but I'm not proficient with Edge.

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Jim,

My main question was just "how do I find out who the moderator
is/was"?

Wow, I really misunderstood you.

Examine a message posted in 2016 or earlier. If the group was fully moderated it doesn't matter which message, but you need a message that was approved by a moderator. The quickest way to get back to 2016 in the archive is via the table of messages at the bottom of the group's Info/about (aka "home") page.

Open an arbitrary message and in the View menu select "View Source". The top of the message window will be occupied by the header fields of the message. This will look rather messy unless you're used to looking at them. Scroll down (or search) to find a field (line) that starts:
X-eGroups-Approved-By:

The rest of that field will contain the Yahoo ID and email address of the moderator that approved that message. If you can find no such field then this message did not require approval, and you'll need to try again.

The bad news, apart from the search for an approved message, is that the email address will be "fig-leafed", with "@..." masking the domain part.
You might simply guess, and try the "name@" you found against the top 10 or so likely email services.

Or, you can look for any message posted by that moderator. The difficulty here is that in the Conversations it will show the person's Display name, which may not be either his yahoo ID or his email address. But if you do find an example of that moderator posting you can use View Source on that message, I believe a little more reading of the header fields may turn up clues that give away the email service that sent the message, allowing you to complete the address.

I can at least copy files over but I do not have "permission" to do
that and I was not just going to grab them without asking...but I
can't ask because my posts die of neglect after 14 days and never even
make it to the list.

It would be tedious, but you can use the techniques above to discover the email address of members who posted content of interest - if you can also find a message posted by that person.

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I had the same thing happen a little over a week ago.? The password I saved last time wouldn't work so I typed it in , no go.? I had them send me a link and it went to my old yahoo address not my gmail.? So once I got in, I merged the old account with the new and hope it lets me back in when mypassword runs out next month.
Wanda

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On 7/7/2018 10:07 AM, Shal Farley wrote:

Jim,

I have a group on Groups.io because the sole owner/moderator of the
Yahoo group abandoned the group.

Just to clarify, that means you are a member of the Y!group and not a moderator or owner yourself, correct?

That is correct.? I am just a member and not even a member that can post to the group (requires moderator approval and he/she is mia).

I would like to bring over the messages and files from the group but
have had no luck finding who I need to contact to do that.

I think the short answer is: you can't.

have moved a few other groups so am aware of the process.? My main question was just "how do I find out who the moderator is/was"?? One member posted to the group asking a moderator to identify but none did.? So I was mostly asking how I could obtain the email address of the moderator since yahoo group owner email does not reach or is not read by the existing owner/moderator.? I suspect the owner is either dead or at least incapacitated so finding the email and name would not help but it might.? Yahoo used to offer a way for someone to take over the group but that vanished when Verizon bought them.

To use the transfer mechanism as it stands you need to be able to promote the transfer agent to moderator in the Y!Group. Which means you must be at least a moderator with the privilege to change moderator status.

The longer version is that you can make a personal copy of the group's content with PG Offline, but there is (as yet anyway) no facility to load that copy into a Groups.io group.

See also:
/g/GroupManagersForum/topic/22140744 and
/g/GroupManagersForum/topic/22653627

I did not really want to do that.? I can at least copy files over but I do not have "permission" to do that and I was not just going to grab them without asking...but I can't ask because my posts die of neglect after 14 days and never even make it to the list

Jim.

Received from pamela wolf at 7/7/2018 04:16 PM UTC:

I was using edge. I tried using chrome just to see if that would make a difference and was able to get a pdf file loaded.

Edge is just plain not yet ready for prime time. Anyone having a problem while using Edge probably should try another browser before looking elsewhere for the cause of the problem.

Jim H

You might want to consider the subscription option that sends you just the first message in any thread. If you are interested, you can click on follow in the email footer.?
On the page with subscription options, you need to click on Advanced Preferences.?

Frances

Patty,

A co-list member has written a message asking about how to answer
messages in digest mode.
...

The problem is that for some reason, on my BrailleNote Touch running
Android 4, I'm not finding the edit field in which to write my
message.

Another resource for your co-list member might be The Tech Zone:
/g/the-tech-zone

While they are a general technology list they seem to have a lot of information on assistive technologies. Though it is a smaller group than GMF she may be more likely to find someone there who uses the same device.

Shal


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On Jul 7, 2018, at 1:36 PM, Patty Fletcher <patty.volunteer1@...> wrote:

The more is down near the bottom of the page once you’re online on the IO Groups page.
I had a devil of a time finding it the first time

Hiding in plain sight (to the right of “Like”!

Thanks for your help and not minding being the ‘example’ used.

Michael