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Yahoo transfer/Invitations/Subscribe by email conflicts? #howtoguide #membership

 

I signed up this morning to transfer a 600 member group from Yahoogroups (off-line 4 days last week). I've sent the invitation to [email protected]?but haven't received the confirmation, yet.

I know yall have a lot of work and a bit of a backlog.? So, I'm wondering, would it cause a problem if I also sent invitations to my members? And also told them they could subscribe by email? They are getting a little restless.

Grateful for any comments,
Re: bouncing

J_Catlady
 

I'm going to report this to Mark at support immediately, but thought I'd let this group know: I have log entries that many yahoo-email members are bouncing, INCLUDING a couple who are no longer in the group due to having been banned or left. Something is very messed up and this is alarming.?
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Re: bouncing

 

Dave,

Also on the topic of bouncing, we transferred 1100 members. At first
we had about 65 bouncing addresses on groups.io.
Those were likely addresses that had been bad for some time, but which Y!Group's mechanism failed to change to Bouncing status.

In the 3 weeks since we transferred, the list is up to 110.
The later bouncers are likely Yahoo Mail users being affected by the current rash of apparent glitches in Yahoo Mail (wrongly rejecting messages because it temporarily thinks "This user doesn't have a yahoo.com account").

Shal
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Re: bouncing

 

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David I do believe it is a verizon issue. Before verizon took over I never had these problems.
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Paul thanks. I do have a gmail email but have had yahoo for years and have so many saved emails there that are important to me. I can change the groups to my gmail here.
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Slowly try and move my letters to gmail. Then I will either close yahoo or just not use it.
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Thanks
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Anita
Re: google drive integration

 

Victoria,

Shal, that done, how can members use this and upload attachments/fotos
there?
I hope someone else has an answer for you. I've not tried to integrate Google Drive into any groups. I've only used it a few times.

My initial reaction is that the files stored there would have to be made public, else the members would have no access (because Google wouldn't know who's in your group).

Shal


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Re: bouncing

 

Also on the topic of bouncing, we transferred 1100 members. At first we had about 65 bouncing addresses on groups.io. In the 3 weeks since we transferred, the list is up to 110. Without counting, I would say about 90% of those are Yahoo addresses. I just looked at the membership list on the old Yahoo list and it shows 0 bouncing members. Doesn't make sense to me.?

The hard-bounce members have the following message: "554 delivery error: dd This user doesn't have a yahoo.com account (xxxx@...) [0] - mta4252.mail.bf1.yahoo.com"

The soft-bounce members have the following message: "54 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta4244.mail.bf1.yahoo.com"

I was able to contact one (former) member who is on Facebook and he confirmed that he changed his email AND no longer wanted to be part of the group. That one was easy. Now we have 109 bouncing members.

Can anyone help me understand this one?

Dave
Re: bouncing

 

Hi Anita,
I don't think it is a Verizon issue as much as Verizon getting a bag of you know what, when they bought Yahoo. We know that Groups were major messed up & that mail had problems. They also got a poor count on the number of mail users because of all the unused Yahoo email addresses created for Groups that are never use. Of course it was up to Verizon to do Due Diligence on the purchase.

I recommend that if you haven't already added a non-Yahoo ID as an owner of your Group(s) that you do so immediately. I have a gmail ID that I've made an owner along with several Co-Owners of my groups.

When I get the time, I'll dump my Yahoo email that I've used for over 15 years.
Paul, Ohio, USA

On Thursday, March 15, 2018, 5:29:43 PM EDT, Anita L via Groups.Io <atinalee@...> wrote:Bruce sounds like it is a problem yahoo is having. I did write to them but did not get an answer yet.I already gave up on yahoo groups and love it here at iogroups. If this is how Verizon is handling things I am going to change my email and give up on this yahoo mail which I have had for years.Really sad what Verizon is doing to yahoo.

Anita
google drive integration

 

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Shal, that done, how can members use this and upload attachments/fotos there?

Victoria

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You can put them in your group's Description text by using the Insert/edit link tool in the formatting toolbar for the Description edit box.

Shal
Re: Stuck in NC status #membership

 

Bruce,

Still a little confused, though. We are not a Premium group so the
Direct Add feature is not available to us. How did they get to this
point?
What I did was (in a logged out browser) click the "Join this group" button on GMF's home page, and supply an alternate email address. The hard part was finding an address of mine that is real, and yet not already registered at Groups.io... ;-)

If your group is Restricted membership then some mod/owner would have had to approve the membership. If your group _were_ a premium group that would also have confirmed the address. But with a basic group the address remains NC.

Also, if your group were a premium group the Direct Add would confirm the address. Good thing that, otherwise Direct Add wouldn't be much use.

Shal
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Re: Stuck in NC status #membership

 

Thanks as always, Shal! I guess it's reassuring that they aren't "really" members yet.

Still a little confused, though. We are not a Premium group so the Direct Add feature is not available to us. How did they get to this point? Perhaps someone else knows...

...or perhaps their confirmation emails landed in spam.

I have someone else who does all the invitations and such, so I don't know what he might have done.?I can send confirmation emails with an explanation, but would like to take measures to avoid this in the future. Disconcerting, this is.

Thanks again,
Bruce
Re: Stuck in NC status #membership

 

Bruce,

I wrote:
I'm not sure what happens if you try to send them a message through
the Member's list.
I forgot to delete that line. I tested it and it works (the NC address receives the message).

Shal


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Re: Stuck in NC status #membership

 

Bruce,

I have two members in NC status. They apparently accepted a group
invitation on the web;
I didn't think one could accept an invitation and remain NC. But that's not the point here...

... but if I understand correctly, with their email addresses
unconfirmed by groups.io, group messages will not be sent to them.
Correct.

This is particularly annoying as I have the group set up with the "no
email" option disabled. It seems that these folks have stumbled across
a work-around. They may be happy with this, but I am not.
Not much of a work-around.

They are effectively non-members: they cannot access any members-only areas of your group until they confirm their email address. Until they do, the top of every Groups.io page will have a red shaded warning box saying:

"Your account is not confirmed. You will not be able to participate in
any groups until your account is confirmed. Send another confirmation
email."

(That last sentence is a link)

I'm not sure what happens if you try to send them a message through the Member's list.

I'd appreciate any suggestions as to the best way to remedy this.
Ignore them?

Or, if you care about having them as members, at the bottom of their subscription page in your group's Members list is a button to send them another Confirmation Email. You can also use the Send Message button if you want to send an them an explanation.

Shal


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Stuck in NC status #membership

 

I have two members in NC status. They apparently accepted a group invitation on the web; but if I understand correctly, with their email addresses unconfirmed by groups.io, group messages will not be sent to them.

This is particularly annoying as I have the group set up with the "no email" option disabled. It seems that these folks have stumbled across a work-around. They may be happy with this, but I am not.

I'd appreciate any suggestions as to the best way to remedy this.

Thanks much,
Bruce
Re: bouncing

David Walker
 

Out of the 31 members I have bouncing, all but 3 are Yahoo. In one instance, I looked at the "Email Delivery History" and saw that the response was:

421 4.7.0 [TS01] Messages from 66.175.222.12 temporarily deferred - 4.16.55.2; see ?

The link, of course, is dead, but a little research on the web says that Yahoo Mail will bounce emails with this message if it gets too much activity from the same IP address. You would think that Yahoo would know about Groups.io by this point and enter it as an exception, so maybe they're not changing it on purpose.

David Walker
Re: bouncing

 

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Bruce sounds like it is a problem yahoo is having. I did write to them but did not get an answer yet.
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I already gave up on yahoogroups and love it here at iogroups. If this is how verizon is handling things I am going to change my email and give up on this yahoo mail which I have had for years.
Really sad what verizon is doing to yahoo.
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Anita

Re: Email received: "Your Groups.io Account Is Bouncing"

 

Part Time Spotter,

I clicked the link, none of hte groups I am subscribed to show a B in any colour.?

They won't, now that you've unbounced.
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The email address I have in the groups is correct.?

There are current discussions about Yahoo Mail sometimes rejecting messages saying "554 delivery error: dd This user doesn't have a account" when in fact the address is correct and has been working; and works again later. So something seems to be glitching in their systems.

Shal


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Re: Email received: "Your Groups.io Account Is Bouncing"

Part Time Spotter
 

Hi Shal,

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I clicked the link, none of hte groups I am subscribed to show a B in any colour.?

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The email address I have in the groups is correct.?

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OK see how this goes tomorrow. Mind you, the group I get most emails from hasn't have any posts since 10:0 this morning ....?
Re: Email received: "Your Groups.io Account Is Bouncing"

 

Part Time Spotter,

I received this email titled :Your Groups.io Account Is Bouncing
It means your email address.

Can anyone help me start getting my emails through?

Only you can. Click on the unbounce link that was provided.
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- Other temporary delivery issues -?No idea what this?is supposed?to mean!
Yahoo Mail had a hiccup and reported a permanent error when Groups.io tried to deliver a message to you.

Shal

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Email received: "Your Groups.io Account Is Bouncing"

Part Time Spotter
 
Edited

Evening,

I received this email titled :Your Groups.io Account Is Bouncing

saying:?

"Hello,

Recently, emails sent to you have bounced back to us. This can be for many reasons, including:

- We have an incorrect email address for you.
- Your account was or is full.
- Other temporary delivery issues.

We have suspended email delivery to you. This means you will no longer receive messages from the groups you are subscribed to.

You must take action to restore your account, or we will unsubscribe you from all of the groups you are a member of.

To unbounce your account, go to the following link:

/unbounce?email=[redacted]@yahoo.com&cookie=[redacted]


Thank you,
The Groups.io Team"

I have not set up any groups on groups.io but am on a couple of groups that moved recently from yahoo.

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Can anyone help me start getting my emails through?

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- We have an incorrect email address for you -?The email address is correct.
- Your account was or is full -?Nope I empty it daily.
- Other temporary delivery issues -?No idea what this?is supposed?to mean!

Thanks in advance for any help.
Re: google drive integration

 

On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 01:24 pm, Shal Farley wrote:
You can put them in your group's Description text...
Good idea! Thanks!

Bruce
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