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To be honest I cut it and it spreads out into many pieces. I use the onions after it is cooked on bread or potatoes. Wonderful
Rhoda

Beta glugan is commonly found and extracted from yeast, barley, oats,
and mushrooms. The supplent is in a concentrated form od course.
Nelson


--- In FlaxSeedOil2@..., "knuj_gse" <knuj_gse@y...> wrote:

I read somewhere that a common source of beta glucans (depending on
where you live) is oats/oatmeal.

Chemically speaking, beta glucans are just glucose molecules

connected

by a beta link between carbon atom 1 of one molecule to carbon atom

4

of the next.

The action on the immune system would be to mimic cell walls of
pathogens. It would be the same action achieved by other sugars

like

mannose (aloe vera gel, yeast, coconuts), rhamnose (apple rind),
trehalose (mushrooms), N-acetyl glucosamine and N-acetyl
galactosamine. These sugars occupy receptor sites in macrophages
(antigen presenting cells in the gut), stimulating these cells to
produce chemokines/cytokines (interleukins, interferons, tumor
necrosis factor alpha) that stimulate the immune system as a whole.

Of course, this is only stimulus. The response of the immune system
would require proteins.

Gerry


--- In FlaxSeedOil2@..., "max" <max@2...> wrote:

Barbara
Beta-glucan is a substance present in foods such as brewer`s yeast
and fungi, notably Chinese mushrooms ("dong gu", or known as "shi

take"

in Japanese). Some studies at a US university have shown it
can stimulate the monoclonal antibodies of the immune system to
recognize and destroy cancer cells which they normally do not
recognize. There are lots of webpages from "alternative" cancer
practioners selling beta-glucan supplements, and one recently even
published a detailed case history of a patient who obtained
remission. Here in Japan, Juntendo University has apparently
been looking into it, and the food giant "Ajinomoto" has seen fit

to

start producing highly active beta-glucan in the form of a liquid

concentrate.

It tastes just like "shi take" and is not unpleasant, but it is

very

expensive.

The US versions are much cheaper.
Max

Quackwatch's purpose is to promote burning, cutting, and Big
Pharma.

Its aim is to keep your attention away from the real quacks.

As for the "pro-alternative camp" being just as biased the other
way, you only need to read any alternative group to find opinions
all over the spectrum.

Quackwatch hammers its one point, over and over, till not even
an Excedrin'll help you. Quackwatch doesn't do it for free -- or
because it cares about your health.

Pro-alternatives are almost universally concerned only about
your getting well, whatever form that takes.

Has anyone contacted Dr. Budwig's family--whom I understand to be continuing with her work--when questions like this pop up?

Barb,
No doubt you can use flax oil/other oils directly. I suspect (do not
know for sure) there is a natural ingredient in the eldi oil that
helps the oils pentetrate the skin more effectively. Much like DMSO
is used for that purpose in other applications.
Nelson

I wonder why you can't just put flaxseed oil on
your body? I know that is not how she did her
study but frankly this seems a little quacky I
think. If idea is to get omega 3's through the
skin, why these particular oils you need to buy
from Germany for $100.00?? Sounds ridiculous.
There are so many grape seed oil if very thin and
absorbent, I think sesame oil also, etc etc.

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I answered Paul the other day.

Hope this helps those who need it.

It took 10 days to get to me using the more expensive shipping.

The cost for shipping is the same for one or two bottles.

The cost for the two in US dollars was about $98.

I sent my credit card information through the email. I know you can fax it.

Please email me if you have any other questions. I do not know the conversion rate. I guess you can look it up. I don't think it has varied that much since April when I purchased it. But then again I don't know.
Rhoda

Barb,

For what I read.. it is a very good Immmune enhancer also.

Bori

Barb <barb1283@...> wrote:
What is 'beta-glucan'?
Thanks,
Barb

..>
From: "max" <max@...>
Re: Breaking the Budwig Rules

I believe Cliff reported many such cases he knew
of in an earlier post. Perhaps this indicates
that FO/CC should be used together with another
modality like beta-glucan
so that the results are more permanent, whether
the
protocol is followed or not after remission is
obtained.

Max



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I see what you mean Nejray, I too was and still am puzzle about that point. I do not understand why she said that. To tell you even more I am very concious of what I eat, because of what she said. When you find the answer to the same question I have asked, Let me know.

Boricua

nejray <ipuk@...> wrote:
Persons who break the rules of this diet, Dr Budwig reports, (ie
eating preserved meats, candy, etc) will sometimes grow rapidly worse
and cannot be saved after they come back from their spree

I asked this question after reading the above from numerous web
sites. This was I believe a quote from one of the books still in
German!!!! perhaps - but i have not seen this in the two already
translated books in English

When I read this I did not read it saying that we should stick with
the Budwig diet ( that goes without saying) - The part I found
intesting was:

'and cannot be saved after they come back from their spree'

which would indicate that if we were to stray ie sugar or the wrong
fats for a while, then came back to the Budwig diet it may not work a
second time for some - 'hence cannot be saved after they come back'

I find that strange if it works once - why not twice or three times

Regards

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I read somewhere that a common source of beta glucans (depending on
where you live) is oats/oatmeal.

Chemically speaking, beta glucans are just glucose molecules connected
by a beta link between carbon atom 1 of one molecule to carbon atom 4
of the next.

The action on the immune system would be to mimic cell walls of
pathogens. It would be the same action achieved by other sugars like
mannose (aloe vera gel, yeast, coconuts), rhamnose (apple rind),
trehalose (mushrooms), N-acetyl glucosamine and N-acetyl
galactosamine. These sugars occupy receptor sites in macrophages
(antigen presenting cells in the gut), stimulating these cells to
produce chemokines/cytokines (interleukins, interferons, tumor
necrosis factor alpha) that stimulate the immune system as a whole.

Of course, this is only stimulus. The response of the immune system
would require proteins.

Gerry


--- In FlaxSeedOil2@..., "max" <max@2...> wrote:

Barbara
Beta-glucan is a substance present in foods such as brewer`s yeast
and fungi, notably Chinese mushrooms ("dong gu", or known as "shi

take"

in Japanese). Some studies at a US university have shown it
can stimulate the monoclonal antibodies of the immune system to
recognize and destroy cancer cells which they normally do not
recognize. There are lots of webpages from "alternative" cancer
practioners selling beta-glucan supplements, and one recently even
published a detailed case history of a patient who obtained
remission. Here in Japan, Juntendo University has apparently
been looking into it, and the food giant "Ajinomoto" has seen fit to
start producing highly active beta-glucan in the form of a liquid

concentrate.

It tastes just like "shi take" and is not unpleasant, but it is very

expensive.

The US versions are much cheaper.
Max

Paul,

I am interested in the answers to all of your questions. I want to get
the ELDI Oil ordered within a few weeks. Please share with me the
answers to your questions and the new price list.

Carolyn

Paul Cates wrote:

Do you use the SAME curcumin that is sold in an organic grocery store? I
buy curcumin by the bulk at our organic grocery store. Is it the same
thing as you put into the empty capsules?

Carolyn

Alex Torres wrote:

Terry,
Try this: take one, two or three grams of curcumin with an empty
stomach… and start to feel the burning…
There are several writings on curcumin and toxicity is nil, and for my
wife is a godsend, she was able to work again after spending 6 months
on a wheel chair without movement, talking, thinking or living. Right
now she drives daily (8 continuous hours ) a pickup, controls all the
people under her command and show them how to do things the right way.
Really amazing!
And if you order some curcumin from us, you will be helping us to help
others! ?
Alex Torres M.D.

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Tell her to NOT, repeat....NOT take out any more lymph nodes than
necessary. The purpose of taking out the lymph nodes is to determine
whether chemo and radiation are needed or not (as perceived by
conventional treatment). She can have many problems with the lymph nodes
gone. Her arm will never be the same. She can email me if she wants to.

Carolyn
(double mastectomy in Dec. 2000)

richryan46@... wrote:

In the Budwig cookbook it tells you to make oleolux with a medium-sized onion cut it in half. Does anyone know why you don't dice it, which would seem the natural thing to do?
Mark

Hi,

Yestaerday I had a phone call from a friend in Cyberspace from
Wisconsin.

A little over 5 years ago he had called concerning his little dog,
Penny, who had cancer.

Her story is below. I asked him about her. He told me that she had
gotten to the point where she was old, could no longer walk,
was incontinent and had to be put to sleep. That broke their hearts
but the upbeat part of it was that the use of the flaxseed oil had
given Penny over six years years of good quality life more than the vet
told them she might possibly survive.

She was over 17 years old which is 119 in people years and lived an
extra 42 people years through the use of the flaxseed oil.

Cliff
***

PERTAINING TO PETS

Numbers of people have inquired over the last few years with questions
concerning the use of flaxseed oil with pets. I wish now that I had kept
a
record of those but I didn't. For the benefit of passing on information,
I
am going to set up this document that I can send as an attachment that
will
quickly answer some of those questions.

In the future, if anyone reading this can furnish us with any result of
the
use of flax oil with our pet, I will add it to this account for the
benefit
of future contacts. Of course, I am now seventy seven, so how many years
I
have is uncertain, though I do not see any immediate problems. The flax
oil
has arrested the problem long ago, but it had come back a little because
I
had not known that Dr. Budwig recommended one tablespoon a day per
hundred
lb. Body weight and not just a tablespoon a day. We've increased and
seem on
the right road again. Whether man or pet, this must be kept up for life
to
keep bodies able to handle cancer cells.

The first thought of pet application came when a man told me about his
dog.
He was getting along in dog years and had developed cancer. His eyes
were
dull and he was so weak that he couldn't lift his leg. This man told me
that
he mixed up a couple of tablespoons with some cottage cheese a couple of
times a day and the dog wolfed it down. He said it wasn't long before
the
dog's eyes were bright, his coat was shiny and he was running all over
the
place.

The second that I knew of was a similar situation with a dog that was
owned
by my cousin's daughter. In both cases the dogs lived out a normal doggy
life.

Then a few years ago I received, in a Christmas card, an item cut out of
a
paper in Maine. My friend told me that I would enjoy it. It was a
question
to the veterinary column. The question was how to prevent his pet
squirrel
from losing its hair. The answer was to feed it flaxseed oil. It would
build
up its immune system and it wouldn't' lose its hair.

A few years ago a young kitty cat wandered in, very malnourished, and
had
very little hair. I thought of the article, and put out cottage cheese
with
around a teaspoon of flaxseed in it. She had that every day along with
regular cat food. It wasn't but a short time that she developed a shiny
coat, and is today a beautiful cat. After that she wouldn't eat it
anymore.
Maybe animals have an instinct about things like that.

One lady I know had a large dog that had developed cancer that was
fairly
advanced. The folks tried everything to get it to eat food with flax oil
in
it, and it just wouldn't. It did die.

****
Penny's story-- this was first written the summer of 1997

One man wrote to me from Wisconsin and told me about their dog. I quote
from
his letter as follows, "Results! Our dog, Penny, was to have died two
and a
half years ago from several cancerous tumors. We changed her diet, gave
her
many nutritious supplements and herbs. She survived..but..was still in
pain
and slept most of the day away. So, she is a member of the family too,
so we
gave her one Tablespoon of the Flax Oil daily [she is a small dog of
about
35 pounds]. Now she goes for a four mile morning walk with Ina and seems
to
be better than before and many of the tumors have receded."
*

I know of other situations in general, but not in specific detail. I do
know
that our local vet is impressed enough with it that she is recommending
flax
oil when people bring in pets with cancer.

One of our correspondents, Ron Conley of texas, has a Siberian Huskey,
Natasha, that had been in serious trouble with cancer. He has a detailed
account of what was done to treat her over four months time. I believe
the
vet had believed that she could not live more than 30 to 60 days. The
treatments involved a lot of things with flaxseed oil a major support.
The
dog is doing very well today, and his web page includes references to
several different pet situations. For information, check his web site:
</

It is an inspiring story.

I will be awaiting further experiences to pass on to pet owners.

Cliff

I too have the same problem. I also received the order form but without the complete instructions. It gives the cost amounts in Euros, and I need to know how many dollars
I am supposed to send. He doesn't say anything about fright or handling charges, or the method of payment.

I have sent W. Bloching a second email asking him for this
information. I will let the group know if I get a reply.

If anybody has this information please post it in the group messages.

Sincerely, Ricardo Davila Jr

Barbara
Beta-glucan is a substance present in foods such as brewer`s yeast
and fungi, notably Chinese mushrooms ("dong gu", or known as "shi take"
in Japanese). Some studies at a US university have shown it
can stimulate the monoclonal antibodies of the immune system to
recognize and destroy cancer cells which they normally do not
recognize. There are lots of webpages from "alternative" cancer
practioners selling beta-glucan supplements, and one recently even
published a detailed case history of a patient who obtained
remission. Here in Japan, Juntendo University has apparently
been looking into it, and the food giant "Ajinomoto" has seen fit to
start producing highly active beta-glucan in the form of a liquid concentrate.
It tastes just like "shi take" and is not unpleasant, but it is very expensive.
The US versions are much cheaper.
Max

Hello

I dont think that Dr Budwig intended to dismiss anyone - the fact
that she wrote articles and books - a kind of DIY - so taking this
into account anyone reading her books etc can follow the rules.

So to have a binge and then start again was something that followers
of her methods perhaps in different countries could do., not really
reliant on Dr Budwig but her advice in her literature.

We are all referring to Dr Budwig's books especially the two translated to English in 1994. It seems to me about time something was done to translate another book. To decide which one we would have to be guided by those who can read the German originals.
Both the English versions advertise Barleans flaxseed oil. What about an email petition by members of this group to Barleans asking them to sponsor the next translation?
Denzil

Recently I have read that the omega 3 pathway requires the same
enzyme that cox 2 inhibitors inhibit. Here is a description of that
pathway.

"It turns out that both the omega-3 and omega-6 pathway utilize the
same enzymes, and both omega-6 and omega-3 fatty acids have to
compete for these enzymes in order to produce their final product.
Studies have reported that the enzymes used in these pathways were
found to prefer the omega-3 pathway. It turns out then that in diets
high in omega-3 fatty acids, most of the enzymes will be "busy"
converting the omega-3 acids.

The omega-6 fatty acids, Dihommogamma-Linoleic Acid (DGLA) in
particular, can be converted to either the anti-inflammatory PG1 or
into arachidonic acid (AA), a precursor of PG2. Conversion of DGLA
into PG1 does not require any enzymes, but conversion of DGLA into AA
requires the enzyme delta-5 desaturase. In diets high in omega-3,
most of the delta-5 desaturase will be used in the omega-3 pathway;
few delta-5 desaturase will be available to convert DGLA into
arachidonic acid, and subsequently, PG2. DGLA ends up being converted
into the anti-inflammatory PG1 and inflammation is therefore
decreased.

In a diet low in omega-3 fatty acids, large quantities of delta-5
desaturase enzymes are available to convert DGLA into AA. The
available AA is then converted into the inflammatory PG2. Thus, the
more omega-3 fatty acids present in our body, the fewer enzymes are
available for converting omega-6 fatty acids into the inflammatory
prostaglandins."

So if I am deciphering this correctly, omega 3 pathway is naturally
an inhibitor of arachidonic acid and if we inhibit the enzyme that
inhibits 5 lo/cox 2, we also inhibit the conversion of omega 3s. It
looks like we would need to do one or the other. Since the Budwig
diet already "forbids" beef, lamb and pork (the major contributors of
non-converted by the body) arachidonic acid, and the body also
prefers omega 3 pathway over the omega 6, then it would seem that the
Budwig Diet is all that is needed and one more reason the diet works.
It also seems that the only supplement she (Budwig) wanted is yeast
flakes which provides B vitamins.

More research needs to be done to determine if curcumin inhibits
arachidonic acid conversion to 5 hete without the inhibition of omega
3 pathway. If so I would like to know so that I may add it back into
my supplement plan. I do not think it wise to take anything that
will inhibit the omega 3 pathway and therefore inhibit the Budwig
diet.

Paul